Need opinion on 2 separate Walmart Tv's?!?

[ShaRayz]

I know neither of these Televisions are amazing but I have gift cards @ Walmart that could probably cover the cost so these are the 2 I seen I'm interested in within my price range....the sony I found lots of reviews on and most looked pretty good, the samsung couldn't find much at all which makes me feel not to safe going for it.

The Sony is more sleek but is 60hz, samsung a little bigger round edges but has 120hz...this will be my 2nd tv mainly for the kids to watch blu rays and HD cable only...movie watching for me will be on my other tv.


which one would you guys pick???????

Phillips 46" LCD 46PFL3705 OR Sony Bravia KDL46EX400

[fairchild]

I have a 32EX400 and it is very nice. It has good picture quality and relatively deep blacks. It only does 3:2 pulldown for blu-rays though if that's important to you.

I would do some research on the Phillips and make sure it has a 5:5 mode for blu-rays, otherwise it would do the same 3:2 pulldown and would have the same motion when watching blu-rays as the Sony.

I would expect the Sony to have better picture quality than the Philips.

[ShaRayz]

3:2 pulldown? not to sure what that even means...im kinda new to all this.

[fairchild]

It has to do with telecine judder. Some films have inherent judder in them because of being 24p. (all cinematic blu-ray's are 24 frames per second) Most North America displays are 60hz or 50hz. (they refresh 60 times a second or 50 times a second while cinematic movies refresh in theatres at 24 times per second)

So 60hz or 50hz sets can't divide evenly into 24hz, so every other frame an extra frame has to be inserted. So on fast panning shots you get some extra judder.

This is why there are some TV's that provide alternate refresh rates that go into 24hz evenly so you get less of that added judder. It usually starts at 48hz, 72hz, 96hz, 120hz, 240hz. All those modes can evenly be divided by 24hz so you don't get a more fluid experience when watching cinematic blu-rays.

Lot's of people use tv's though that only use a 3:2 pulldown since they are 60hz or are 120hz and don't offer a proper 5:5 cadence mode and are happy with the picture. It's not THAT big of an issue.

[SammyB]

What Samsung were you looking at? You mentioned a Philips and a Sony at the end. Did you mean to write Philips but wrote Samsung?

So between the two models you listed... Depends. I can only find customer reviews on the philips, and really the same for the Sony. That and since I don't own either I can't comment on black levels, grayscale accuracy, color accuracy, and overall picture quality I can't say which one is better. They're likely to be similar overall.

To go further into detail of what fairchild said, in America the standard tv refresh rate for a long time has been 60hz, and only recently has there been 120hz and 240hz tvs. Movies are made in 24 frames per second (fps), so for them to be displayed properly they need to been shown on a display with a refresh rate (the hz) that is a multiple of 24. Most theaters show movies at 48hz (2:2 pull down). That's an even pulldown. 60hz tvs cannot show an even pulldown of 24fps, so they do a 3:2 pulldown, which can create slightly unnatural motion. This is how we've all scene movies at home since vhs tapes and dvds. Most don't notice, some do.

Now this is where things get tricky. Some 120hz tvs accept and display 24fps with a 5:5 pull down, some do not. Some 120hz tvs take the 24fps and add a 3:2 pulldown like a 60hz tv and then and 2:2 pulldown. So the 3:2 is just refreshed twice. This method still creates and uneven pulldown with slightly unnatural motion.

There was a thread for tvs that can properly display 24fps so I'd check if the philips is listed in that thread. https://forum.blu-ray.com/display-th...rame-rate.html

At any rate, Sony is a better brand in general (my opinion, but I bet most would agree). Philips is still makes okay tvs. Not as bad as some would say. However that Sony is one of their lower end models so I'd just take which ever one is cheaper. I doubt the Sony would be light years ahead of the Philips in those price ranges.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by fairchild

while cinematic movies refresh in theatres at 24 times per second).

That's actually not quite correct. While the film is projected at 24 frames per second, there's a spinning shutter which blanks the image out when the film is moved to the next frame. In most projectors, each frame is actually held on the screen 2x, so the refresh rate is actually 48x a second, even though it's 24 frames per second. There was even a shutter (don't know if it's used anymore) that displayed each frame 3x.

Of course this is all becoming a bit moot (at least for new films) as film is disappearing from U.S. theaters.

[fairchild]

Learn something new every day. I thought projectors did 24 frames per second straight up. So they do 24x2 or 48hz? I guess the flicker would be unbearable at 24hz even in theatres?

[steve1971]

Personally I would go with the Sony. The EX400 is a good tv.