They Live: Carpenter

[Arkadin]

It's out now in Italy!
http://www.amazon.it/dp/B004GWMJTS

[Behemot]

Anyone own this and can comment on the picture quality and aspect ratio? It seems to only have a Dolby Digital 2.0 English audio track, as well as Italian 5.1 DTS-HD MA and DD2.0 tracks.

It's being discussed in this thread, but I don't speak Italian so I don't know what to make of it.

[Arkadin]

I know of a few people that have it coming to them, so when they report on it I'll post what they thought.
should be this week sometime.
btw: you can use copy/paste at google translate to find out what they are saying in that thread.
just highlight a post and copy it into the google translate box.
of course change settings in the box to From Italian To English.
http://translate.google.com/#

one post says--
there are sequences that show very clearly a good hd ..... when he enters the supermarket detail and definition are excellent .... ditto when running the camp for the "household" around have a good definition .... the walls ... all the sidewalks in this denotes a master bd hd .... if you do not like is another matter but it is certainly little better than a DVD upscaled .... I did the comparison-switched with many sequences in the DVD and the difference is embarrassing (for the DVD ).... frankly I'm glad these outputs eagle (arizona dream ... I got too good for me as I truly am innocent of course, is that jelly the dvd is good to say that already enjoyed a master hd ....) if it were not for the horrible cover ... the price (vabbeh. .. is less ... but the official price is ridiculous) .. . and the absence of extra

so seems fairly encouraging.

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[msgohan]

That screenshot looks worse than the HD broadcast.

[Arkadin]

hmmm.......
fortunately I have never seen one hd broadcast of a classic film so I can't ever speak to those rampant arguments.
honestly, I think I'm glad I only have dvds with which to compare bds to.
If I had seen all this other stuff I would probably be more disillusioned about bd catalogs.

[msgohan]

Woo, that's more like it! Definitely better than the broadcast. Too bad I can't justify the shipping cost until I find more Italian exclusives I want.

[El_Burro]

Thanks to dark-zero:

                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00002.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:34:20 21.819.623.424  22.090.993.712  30,84   25,29   DTS-HD Master 5.1 3558Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Essi.Vivono
Disc Size:      22.090.993.712 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00002.MPLS
Length:                 1:34:20 (h:m:s)
Size:                   21.819.623.424 bytes
Total Bitrate:          30,84 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        25295 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Italian         3558 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3558 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         28,753 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:34:20.041     21.819.623.424  30.840          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:11:42.791     25.963 kbps     35.317 kbps     00:09:06.666    34.084 kbps     00:09:04.666    33.535 kbps     00:08:59.666    135.218 bytes   366.718 bytes   00:09:08.708    
2               0:11:42.791     0:10:50.125     27.241 kbps     38.863 kbps     00:12:53.291    36.693 kbps     00:13:35.000    33.330 kbps     00:13:29.875    141.879 bytes   351.785 bytes   00:14:56.166    
3               0:22:32.916     0:09:47.333     25.595 kbps     35.539 kbps     00:32:02.791    32.234 kbps     00:32:06.458    31.988 kbps     00:32:02.791    133.308 bytes   371.065 bytes   00:30:58.708    
4               0:32:20.250     0:11:09.083     27.984 kbps     34.952 kbps     00:43:07.416    33.082 kbps     00:43:05.083    31.826 kbps     00:43:03.416    145.752 bytes   340.595 bytes   00:34:39.791    
5               0:43:29.333     0:12:07.083     26.170 kbps     37.883 kbps     00:50:24.833    35.378 kbps     00:50:22.083    33.437 kbps     00:50:19.875    136.305 bytes   363.679 bytes   00:50:31.708    
6               0:55:36.416     0:11:07.624     24.629 kbps     35.206 kbps     00:57:17.541    33.803 kbps     00:57:13.541    32.705 kbps     00:57:11.916    128.275 bytes   309.323 bytes   00:58:09.083    
7               1:06:44.041     0:10:10.291     23.515 kbps     32.385 kbps     01:10:48.458    30.793 kbps     01:10:46.625    30.706 kbps     01:10:40.458    122.476 bytes   266.449 bytes   01:11:03.708    
8               1:16:54.333     0:17:25.708     22.601 kbps     41.983 kbps     01:30:12.999    36.877 kbps     01:30:17.625    36.774 kbps     01:30:12.583    117.716 bytes   355.785 bytes   01:30:14.666    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5659,875                25.296                  17.896.171.087  97.341.066      
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       ita (Italian)           5659,875                3.558                   2.517.378.296   14.227.727      
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             ita (Italian)           5659,875                224                     158.482.688     884.390         
00000.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           5659,875                224                     158.482.688     884.390         
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             ita (Italian)           5659,875                29                      20.342.922      116.648

and screenshoots HERE

[Arkadin]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by BaseGR

Those screenshots are not accurate. They are of the OOP release by Optimum, which turned out to be an upscale.

thanks so much for the correction.
dang Italian forums.

[Behemot]

Just watched my copy of the Italian BD now, and I'm very pleased with both the image and the audio (considering the English audio track is only a DD2.0 track). I've compared it with my UK Optimum DVD, and it has a lot more detail than the DVD, so it is definitely not an upscale job. It is still not full 2.35:1 (apart from the opening credits), but it does seem to have a little bit more of the image visible on both sides compared to the 2.10:1 Optimum DVD, making it maybe 2.15:1 or something like that. Too bad it doesn't have the Carpenter/Piper audio commentary, though.

[msgohan]

Weird, the OAR broadcast was 2.35 the whole film.

[The Limey]

Originally Posted by Behemot

Just watched my copy of the Italian BD now, and I'm very pleased with both the image and the audio (considering the English audio track is only a DD2.0 track). I've compared it with my UK Optimum DVD, and it has a lot more detail than the DVD, so it is definitely not an upscale job. It is still not full 2.35:1 (apart from the opening credits), but it does seem to have a little bit more of the image visible on both sides compared to the 2.10:1 Optimum DVD, making it maybe 2.15:1 or something like that. Too bad it doesn't have the Carpenter/Piper audio commentary, though.

I was pleasantly surprised with just how good the DD 2.0 English audio track is on this as well.

[SymbioticFunction]

Originally Posted by Behemot

It is still not full 2.35:1 (apart from the opening credits)...

Thanks for that info. Was thinking of ordering but that's definitely put me off, I'll hold out for a full widescreen release.

[Adrock]

I just ran across this thread. This is really cool news. I might have to consider importing this. I have been waiting for a new release to come out since the UK (upscaled) one is now OOP.

[SymbioticFunction]

Currently reduced by 50%:

http://www.amazon.it/Essi-Vivono-SE-...90876&sr=1-385

[agent999]

Originally Posted by SymbioticFunction

Currently reduced by 50%

Thanks, have ordered.

[SymbioticFunction]

Odd. First 3.5 mins is correct aspect ratio but inset (black bars also appear on the left & right). Then is cropped at the sides (especially on the left hand side?) until 58th minute where it suddenly opens up a lot more, but even then, is still VERY slightly cropped. But PQ does look very good!

Edit: Has Studio Canal logo at the start, and here's a link to a worthy review:

http://blubrew.com/2011/02/22/they-l...alian-release/

[NoirFan]

I'm considering ordering this, but the 14 euro shipping has me a bit weary. Can anyone recommend any other Blu-rays exclusive to Italy that I might want to add to save a few bucks on shipping? I already know about You Only Live Once and the Rossellinis.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

I'm considering ordering this, but the 14 euro shipping has me a bit weary. Can anyone recommend any other Blu-rays exclusive to Italy that I might want to add to save a few bucks on shipping? I already know about You Only Live Once and the Rossellinis.

Check out my recent group buy. There might be some titles in there that you're interested in.

[hansolo]

I recently bought this from Amazon.it. Eagle Pictures has changed the artwork. It now has one of Them lurking behind the movie title - in this case Essi Vivono . Content is still identical to earlier release. Same DNR free transfer with its aspect ratio oddities. Actually, the original sleeve seems to have the new cover as a small back sleeve image.