"Color Matrix" Option on SXRD: "Standard" or "Custom"?

[Hillside Trece]

This has been confusing from day one with my Sony KDS-50A2020 rear pro -- under the "Setup" section of the main Setup menu, what should the option of "Color Matrix" be set to? I have seen owners leaving this to the factory default of "Standard" while others strongly recommend "Custom" and then leaving that on the "factory default mappings"...

What does this setting actually do? Will it change the way my HD material is presented? If so, I will definitely change this setting to "Custom" with certain mapping settings, if so advised...

Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, fellas.

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by Hillside Trece

This has been confusing from day one with my Sony KDS-50A2020 rear pro -- under the "Setup" section of the main Setup menu, what should the option of "Color Matrix" be set to? I have seen owners leaving this to the factory default of "Standard" while others strongly recommend "Custom" and then leaving that on the "factory default mappings"...

What does this setting actually do? Will it change the way my HD material is presented? If so, I will definitely change this setting to "Custom" with certain mapping settings, if so advised...

Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, fellas.

ITO601 is for SD material and ITO709 is for HD material. My guess is that it's best to leave at auto as the gamma is automaticly changed depending on the source.

Also if you check all the other Sony KDS settings from tweaktv you find no settings regarding to colormatrix so i think that your good mate. Just leave it at auto.

[Hillside Trece]

Originally Posted by spaceape

ITO601 is for SD material and ITO709 is for HD material. My guess is that it's best to leave at auto as the gamma is automaticly changed depending on the source.

Also if you check all the other Sony KDS settings from tweaktv you find no settings regarding to colormatrix so i think that your good mate. Just leave it at auto.

Thanks a million, Tommy -- I appreciate the clip from the manual as well!

So, when you say "leave it at auto" you mean just leave it in what Sony calls "Standard"?

Thanks again, good friend.

[Hillside Trece]

With regard to TweakTV's settings -- which I just checked out based on your tip -- it's so weird because their settings for the A2000s are different (in some places wildly different like Color and Brightness) than what I got for my A2020 with various setup discs. My Color is set on "45" out of "100" which yields plenty of vibrant, non bleeding colors, yet theirs is on "52" (albeit they are running in a different picture mode, "Custom," versus my "Standard") while their Brightness is on "48" and I have achieved a setting of "53" on my set using Pluge Pattern tests on different discs...just weird.

They are also missing some Advanced Settings options in their listing, such as Detail Enhancer or Edge Enhancer...and their Noise Reduction setting of "Medium" differs from my "Low"...

So, I see where they have left off any mentions of Color Matrix, as you pointed out, but they have also left off other things as I mentioned, plus there is a double-mention of "Motion Enhancer" (which my set doesn't seem to offer) so I don't know if one should take TweakTV's settings with anything other than a grain of salt...

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by Hillside Trece

With regard to TweakTV's settings -- which I just checked out based on your tip -- it's so weird because their settings for the A2000s are different (in some places wildly different like Color and Brightness) than what I got for my A2020 with various setup discs. My Color is set on "45" out of "100" which yields plenty of vibrant, non bleeding colors, yet theirs is on "52" (albeit they are running in a different picture mode, "Custom," versus my "Standard") while their Brightness is on "48" and I have achieved a setting of "53" on my set using Pluge Pattern tests on different discs...just weird.

They are also missing some Advanced Settings options in their listing, such as Detail Enhancer or Edge Enhancer...and their Noise Reduction setting of "Medium" differs from my "Low"...

So, I see where they have left off any mentions of Color Matrix, as you pointed out, but they have also left off other things as I mentioned, plus there is a double-mention of "Motion Enhancer" (which my set doesn't seem to offer) so I don't know if one should take TweakTV's settings with anything other than a grain of salt...

Im sure you should calibrate the 'picture settings' yourself be cause all tv's are different. Excluding the noise reduction setting which is properly correct.

The settings tweaktv isnt mentioning i would think is to be left at factory default.

[Hillside Trece]

Originally Posted by spaceape

Im sure you should calibrate the 'picture settings' yourself be cause all tv's are different. Excluding the noise reduction setting which is properly correct.

So, if we should calibrate the picture settings ourselves, what are these parameters TweakTV is suggesting altogether?

And what did you meany by "excluding Noise Reduction which is probably correct"...did you mean THEIR "Medium" setting?

The settings tweaktv isnt mentioning i would think is to be left at factory default.

Perhaps...but there are quite a few they left out (Detail Enhancer, etc.) which don't really have a "factory default;" plus, the settings they mentioned do have adjustments which could have been called "default" I suppose if you wanted to argue it, so why mention those and not any others?

That's what makes me leary of these so-called "self calibration sites" that recommend these types of settings, even though some people swear by TweakTV and cnet.

[spaceape]

Correction: The Color Matrix you can leave at auto or custom without changing the values (the latter properly best).With white Balance you can tweak the rbg color spectrum even more even though it could get a little confusing so maybe the same as you did with the color matrix setting.

"Picture" Page (Custom Mode)

Advanced Iris: Medium (<--Set it lower or higher depending on how much light is in your room!) (Some say Auto 1 if the ambient light is especially bright or else Auto 2 but if this makes the picture settings change dynamically depending on source and not ambient light i wouldnt recommend the auto settings).
Picture: **
Brightness:**
Color: **
Hue: **
Aspect Ratio: Full
Color Temp: Warm 1/Warm 2 (with white balance adjustements)
Sharpness: **
Noise Reduction: ** (Not High)

Advanced Settings (Custom Mode)

Black Corrector: Off/Low
Gamma: Off/Low
Clear White: Off/Low
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: ** (seem to be very different views on this)
Edge Enhancer: Off/Low

White Balance: Custom with all on 0, calibrate yourself. Or:
r-gain: -2
g-gain: -1
b-gain: 0
r-bias: -3
g-bias: -2
b-bias: -1
(None of the cnet white balance settings are guaranteed to be accurate as all tv's differ a little bit)
"Setup" Page

CineMotion: Auto
Motion Enhancer : Off
DRC: (86, 26) (i think!?)
Game mode: Off (for the most part)
Power Saving Mode: On

** Calibrate yourself.
Settings not mentioned are set to factory defaults."

Personally i would just 'if i hadnt read anything about these settings' just put everything that were regarding processing of any art to 'off' so it wouldnt muddy up the picture. But i guess there's some reason why most owners of your tv on the net is picking these perticular settings. Lol or they're all just copying those cnet settings hehe

Still whatever advanced options you end up chosing be sure to calibrate the picture page settings yourself. Ideally of cause you yourself would systematicly go through each advanced setting and calibrate again and again but that would require quite a lot of work.

But google your model number yourself (kds 2020/2000) and make your own mind on what you be the best for your tv mate

Edit: Settings taken from AVBill's A2000 UPDATED settings, Sony's KDS-50A2020#2, Sony KDS-50A2000 & PS3/BD Calibration and Sony SXRD KDS-50A2000 Picture Settings#5, Tweak My TV

But there's properly a lot more if you check owner threads and such.

[Hillside Trece]

Now this concerns me Tommy...

Indeed, I have seen "Sorcerey"'s settings on AVS for this set as well, and noticed that quite a few people do leave Color Matrix at "Custom" using what Sony calls the "Factory Mappings"...so now I don't know what to do, to be honest...

Oh, and I did calibrate the set myself, utilizing three different setup discs.

Do any other SXRD owners know what this "Color Matrix" is supposed to be set to? Is "Standard" okay?

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by Hillside Trece

Now this concerns me Tommy...

Indeed, I have seen "Sorcerey"'s settings on AVS for this set as well, and noticed that quite a few people do leave Color Matrix at "Custom" using what Sony calls the "Factory Mappings"...so now I don't know what to do, to be honest...

Oh, and I did calibrate the set myself, utilizing three different setup discs.

Do any other SXRD owners know what this "Color Matrix" is supposed to be set to? Is "Standard" okay?

I would think this just means set on custom and then leave it all at zero so it wont change automatically. This or calibrate it and the white balances manually but this would take some work and also the right equipment.

[Hillside Trece]

Originally Posted by spaceape

I would think this just means set on custom and then leave it all at zero so it wont change automatically. This or calibrate it and the white balance manually but this would take some work and also the right equipment.

Right -- but what's the best setting, the Auto/Standard or Custom...

And I have fooled with White Balance in the Custom picture mode before, attempting to eliminate some blue push from the image and also experimenting with just leaving them all at factory default settings, but I couldn't figure out what the best way was.

At any rate, I'd like to find out what the best Color Matrix setting is for Standard picture mode with no "white balance"/advanced adjustments made to the set -- would this be "Standard" or "Custom" (Color Matrix)?

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by Hillside Trece

Right -- but what's the best setting, the Auto/Standard or Custom...

And I have fooled with White Balance in the Custom picture mode before, attempting to eliminate some blue push from the image and also experimenting with just leaving them all at factory default settings, but I couldn't figure out what the best way was.

At any rate, I'd like to find out what the best Color Matrix setting is for Standard picture mode with no "white balance"/advanced adjustments made to the set -- would this be "Standard" or "Custom" (Color Matrix)?

Standard and custom with all values on zero i would think is the same thing but to be on the safe side i would pick custom with all on zero (meaning unmodified).

Short answer Custom! hehe but leave the gain and bias setting alone (on zero) unless you really know what you're doing be cause that's for very fine adjustings

Edit: Custom and zero for both Color Matrix and White balance.

[Hillside Trece]

Well, as far as PICTURE MODE, I want to remain in STANDARD. But I'm talking strictly the COLOR MATRIX selection -- originally, you suggested STANDARD (with auto adjustments) would be the best...now you're saying CUSTOM with mappings at factory defaults...

I don't know; perhaps I will just leave it on STANDARD, which I've had it on all along, unless someone else has a different perspective from what you and I have been discussing.

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by Hillside Trece

Well, as far as PICTURE MODE, I want to remain in STANDARD. But I'm talking strictly the COLOR MATRIX selection -- originally, you suggested STANDARD (with auto adjustments) would be the best...now you're saying CUSTOM with mappings at factory defaults...

I don't know; perhaps I will just leave it on STANDARD, which I've had it on all along, unless someone else has a different perspective from what you and I have been discussing.

I think leaving the color matrix at standard and custom with zeros are the same thing but hard to know for certain wenn im not there in person

Good luck and i hope you find your answer some day

Edit: Guess I got confused wenn reading through all the other stuff. So if the color matrix setting doesnt have the number value settings like with the white balance then im properly wrong and the standard setting would be the best. Lol or else you would have to shift between ito601 and ito709 depending on if you were decoding in standard resolution or high definition. That would be a pain hehe My bad!

[Hillside Trece]

I replied to your PM Tommy...

Anyone else with any Color Matrix insight?

[spaceape]

Advanced Iris: Medium (<--Set it lower or higher depending on how much light is in your room!)

So if you kan get it real dark in your room you could maybe set it to low or even Min. This setting seems a lot like the 'Back light' option on later displays and therefore of cause also something like the brightness feature.

Also Game mode: Off (for the most part) check >Link<.

[Hillside Trece]

Originally Posted by spaceape

So if you kan get it real dark in your room you could maybe set it to low or even Min. This setting seems a lot like the 'Back light' option on later displays and therefore of cause also something like the brightness feature.

Also Game mode: Off (for the most part) check >Link<.

Where did you get this quoted clip from?

Indeed, the "Iris" feature on the SXRDs is due to the fact that it's a rear projection TV and I suppose it does act like a backlight setting on LCDs...however, I have had the most success by leaving this on "Auto 1" as the dynamic system of the set adjusts the contrast on the fly, scene by scene, and Auto 1 seems to give the most "punch" to the image...

I will consider your suggestion of playing with the Iris, though -- thanks.

As for Game Mode, indeed I realize this should be OFF; in fact, on my set, Game Mode is actually greyed out on the setup screen, so it's not even available -- I think it's only when you choose "GAME" to call the input you're labeling, and so because I haven't labeled any input "GAME" it's not even available to choose...

[Hillside Trece]

BTW -- I have seen "AVBill"'s SXRD settings on AVS; but thanks for the link...

It seems even he prefers "Auto 1" on Iris...

[spaceape]

That's up to you mate. Although since the auto 1/2 will change the picture settings all the time you'll have a hard time getting your tv calibrated 100% correct. Dynamic/auto/enhanced/(all post effects) and such are generally best to turn way down if not completely off.

But if you like it go for it

[Hillside Trece]

Well, in the case of the "Iris" controls on rear projection displays/front projectors, it's not really one of those "enhancement" settings or controls like "Auto Contrast," or "Image Enhancer" or anything like that -- it basically controls the way the light is output from the projector lamp, either "on the fly" with Auto settings or in a fixed Low, Medium, High setting. It's not like one of those "gimmick" controls that are buried in the Advanced Settings menu...

[spaceape]

Originally Posted by Hillside Trece

Well, in the case of the "Iris" controls on rear projection displays/front projectors, it's not really one of those "enhancement" settings or controls like "Auto Contrast," or "Image Enhancer" or anything like that -- it basically controls the way the light is output from the projector lamp, either "on the fly" with Auto settings or in a fixed Low, Medium, High setting. It's not like one of those "gimmick" controls that are buried in the Advanced Settings menu...

Oh i see if it truly is fixed you have nothing to worry about hehe ..Still personally i would fell more safe not using the auto setting but that's just me