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Glad I picked up the BU release... |
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Feb 2010
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Here's what I don't understand - Storaro seems to have a reputation for meddling (Apocalypse Now), but it says that it was in the original 2:1 Univisium ratio. Was the film supposed to have always been presented in that ratio or is it that we generally prefer 2:35 as an aspect ratio and so expect it to be used all the time? |
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Feb 2010
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This may be one of those cases where being authentic does not necessarily pay - but I agree; Argento needs to chip in and settle this. |
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I'm pretty sure if BU released this in 2:35 there was a reason for it. 2:1 is not only unusual but ugly. And it is my understanding that Arrow once again works with a possibly inferior master. We'll wait and see. I always give the runner a chance, but it's a 100% non-buy for me as I've already ordered the BU.
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I don't see why mods here always have to protect Arrow. It's not like I'm exaggerating anything. Not my fault if they're releasing this in a cropped ratio. Even the people at Cult Labs are complaining and saying they won't buy.
I'm judging products objectively. I have nothing against the Arrow brand per se, but it just happens they're releasing movies I'm interested in, so I give special attention to their offerings... which I often find "meh". Just tell me straight off the bat if we're not allowed to criticize an Arrow blu here. |
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Banned
Jul 2009
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Arrow sucks. Some people at this company should be fired. Leave it to them to choose the wishes of a senile DP over Dario Argento himself. There's no way in hell Dario Argento approves of this. No way.
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Why would 2:1 be uglier than any other aspect ratio, sorry, this just doesn't make any sense or you are just exaggerating things? For me the correct aspect ratio is a must, so if I didn't miss anything about the "if BU released this in 2:35 there was a reason for it" this Arrow release seems promising in atleast the OAR aspect. |
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There is no need to throw sarcastic remarks at KaiGusto and the mod team. Yes, you have been exaggerating a lot. In The Beyond thread I specifically asked you not to pass your speculations as facts, as very obviously you were misinformed. Furthermore, you are not judging Arrow's products objectively. The Bird with the Crystal Plumage streets on May 2, and you most definitely do not own a copy of it yet. When the disc arrives and you have at least read some detailed reviews, come back and claim that you are judging Arrow's release objectively. No one here censors opinions, so don't point a finger at the mods. And one final suggestion, at this point it is perfectly clear that you dislike Arrow and their products. That is fine. Don't support them. But just like you are entitled to have an opinion, our members are also entitled to have one and disagree with you. So, stop trying to force everyone to agree with you. I hope that this time you would consider very seriously my request. Thanks. Pro-B Last edited by pro-bassoonist; 03-25-2011 at 11:33 PM. |
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Jul 2009
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Last edited by J-Syxx; 03-25-2011 at 11:46 PM. |
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At this point you either seriously consider my request and move or you don't. Either way, the current bashing will stop. This is my final request. Pro-B |
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Banned
Jul 2009
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I've only seen people commenting on factual information about the releases, and I don't see how telling them to stop is anything less than censorship. Maybe you need to clarify yourself a bit, becuase it does seem you are coming in on the side of Arrow Films for whatever reason. I mean seriously, do you take your reviews that seriously that we have to only respond to what you say in them? There's plenty of information in that press release presented as fact that can be criticized. Unless this isn't a forum after all. I suggest then turning it into a blog or something.
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So, if this 2:1 transfer is supposed to be in the OAR, is it the case that previous versions with 2.35:1 were cropped around 7% at both the top and the bottom respectively, so that this new transfer is actually opened up in comparison to previous transfers?
2.35:1 for 1080p means ~1920x818 whereas 2:1 for 1080p translates to 1920x960. The usual thing to expect would thus be, that the horizontal scope is identical for both transfers while the vertical scope is a bit larger for the 2:1 transfer, right? |
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Blu-ray Ninja
May 2010
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2:1 is not the OAR of The Bird With the Crystal Plumage (look at the fourth screencap in DVDBeaver's review). This is another case of Storaro cropping his past work to fit into his stupid Univision aspect ratio. Arrow's copy, using the word "original" in describing the aspect ratio is deceptive.
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Now, as I stated earlier, Univisium was only devised by Storaro in 1998. Bird was shot in 1969. It's the only master Arrow could use unfortunately, which they may not have known when they licensed it but it's obvious there's a mistake in just using the term 'Vittorio Storaro’s original 2:1 Univisium aspect ratio'. It's his idealistic (or egotistic!) universal ratio for theatre and home video that noone else on the planet seems to agree with. Right now, people at CL are running off to snap up copies of the BU disc before they disappear. It's something that isn't going down well anywhere. |
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This paper seems to indicate that the Arrow transfer will indeed be cropped on the sides. I'm not trying to bash Arrow, but personally, I'd rather have no release at all than a release where part of the film is cut off. Changing the aspect ratio and removing parts of the picture which have been intact in the theatrical (and previous home video) releases seems like a very bad idea to me. Also, the Blue Underground Blu-ray release has recently gone out of print, AFAIK. So let's hope, that the Arrow release will not be cropped but opened up (even though it seems to be unlikely now). |
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