A movie without BD-J. What a relief!! - Blu-ray Forum

sebasd5 · 07-19-2011, 04:19 AM

I had never watched the Harry Potter movies, so I decided to get started and got the first one from Netflix. At one point I had to pause to do something else for a while, and it turned out to be a little longer than I expected, so the Blu-ray player turned off by itself.

When I turned it back on, and pressed play, the movie resumed right to the point where I had paused it!! It didn't make me waste a minute or two loading, no stupid progress bar or circle. It was bliss. Or as it could be called in the world of Blu-ray, BDMV.

Now remind me, who was the idiot that came up with the idea to author Blu-rays with an abomination like BD-J? And who are the idiots that supported the technology? It seems to me that some people in Hollywood love to waste their time and decided that they should waste the time of all of us as well.

AreaUnderTheCurve · 07-19-2011, 04:38 AM

A lot of the WB discs start the film as soon as you put them in.

sebasd5 · 07-19-2011, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JLTucker

A lot of the WB discs start the film as soon as you put them in.

No, I'm talking about resuming the film exactly where it was playing before you hit stop, as soon as the player loads the disc. A few titles in BD-J included something in the programming to resume, but you still have to waste time waiting for the damn progress bar or circle to finish. And that's on new units, if you have a nice old BD player from 2007 that you paid good money for, you have to wait about 4 minutes to load BD-J titles.

Clark Kent · 07-19-2011, 06:29 AM

Most early Blu-ray releases from 3 or 4 years ago do not have BD-Java on them. The studios all hired programmers to write their own proprietary BD-J code, so felt compelled to re-use it on most releases even when the disc did not really call for it. A nuisance on many BDs.

sebasd5 · 07-20-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Most early Blu-ray releases from 3 or 4 years ago do not have BD-Java on them. The studios all hired programmers to write their own proprietary BD-J code, so felt compelled to re-use it on most releases even when the disc did not really call for it. A nuisance on many BDs.

In my opinion no disc calls for it. What is it good for? Connect to the internet? Why do I want to connect to the internet and watch crappy quality videos when I'm watching a Blu-ray disc? I just don't get it. It's nothing but a stupid gimmick, which would be fine with me if it didn't make me waste hours of my life when adding all the time in all the movies I rented or bought with that crap.

NYorker · 07-20-2011, 09:24 AM

With my BTTF trilogy, every time I paused for more than 30 seconds, it stopped completely and I had to go back to the menu, go to scene selection...etc, etc. Every time! drove me crazy...

MOONPHASE · 07-20-2011, 11:12 AM

I think only just a few Blu-rays I own have BD-J in them.

aiman04 · 07-20-2011, 11:28 AM

Avatar, latest Pixar movies, and others now have interactive resume function. It asks you to resume or start from the beginning. I thought these authored in BD-J?

I prefer that because sometimes I wanna start from beginning again. And it loads reasonably quick enough for me.

Kessel Run · 07-20-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NYorker

With my BTTF trilogy, every time I paused for more than 30 seconds, it stopped completely and I had to go back to the menu, go to scene selection...etc, etc. Every time! drove me crazy...

You mean when the Universal logo pops up?

Just hit enter on your remote, plays right where you left off.

NYorker · 07-20-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by yoink_69

You mean when the Universal logo pops up?

Just hit enter on your remote, plays right where you left off.

It doesn't! That's the thing

It's as if I just loaded the disc in the player...

phoenixcovenant · 07-20-2011, 01:51 PM

I noticed that 'Enter' didn't work for me either on my PS3 remote.

If the 'Universal' logo pops up, I had to push the down indicator to make it turn off and resume the film.

Hope that works for you.

Jason

sebasd5 · 07-20-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

I think only just a few Blu-rays I own have BD-J in them.

You must own a lot of movies released in 2007. Almost everything starting late 2008 is authored in BD-J

sebasd5 · 07-20-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aiman04

Avatar, latest Pixar movies, and others now have interactive resume function. It asks you to resume or start from the beginning. I thought these authored in BD-J?

I prefer that because sometimes I wanna start from beginning again. And it loads reasonably quick enough for me.

Very few movies authored in BD-J have the programming incorporated that allows resuming from the last stop. And I emphasize "very few", at least in my experience in 4 years of renting Blu-rays.

And here's the thing: with BDs authored in BDMV, they don't need to add any extra code, because it resumes from the point you stopped it, and without wasting your time loading thousands of lines of BD-J code.

Mobe1969 · 07-20-2011, 10:28 PM

Yeah, BJ discs are an utter scourge and I hate them. Some studios are bothering to implement resume in them now, but they have to go out of their way to put it in, rather than it being a frigging standard piece of operation, one sorely needed. So woe betide ye who accidentally hits the stop button during a film rather than pause. Then you are back to square one, and have to sit through all the antipiracy crap, and then find where you were.

It is the new millennium version of the "be kind rewind" syndrome, where you go to put a movie in to watch with some friends and find the end credits are rolling, and apologise and try to keep a conversation going... That and game updates. Like I put in motorstorm apocalypse to have a look at. 1 hour and 1GB of updates later I was finally ready to INSTALL... By that time I was then pissed, and couldn't be bothered playing it much...

Anyone wondering a good example of the suckage of BJ discs, try watching Heroes. When you stop for the night you have to make a paper note where the hell you are up to.

Studios that make these ADD friendly BJ discs are utter turds.

Geoff D · 07-20-2011, 10:48 PM

LOTR:EE has the resume function.

BillieCassin · 07-21-2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sebasd5

And here's the thing: with BDs authored in BDMV, they don't need to add any extra code, because it resumes from the point you stopped it, and without wasting your time loading thousands of lines of BD-J code.

Wait, you mean that they invented a technology that allows you to stop playing a disc, and resume it at the EXACT same spot? OMG! Someone call Sony and tell them about this.

Gotta say, my #1 gripe about Blu-ray is this. We went backwards in terms of abilities to control our viewing experience. I have to say out of the box this was just infuriating - when I first went Blu, I'd accidentally click the wrong button, then it takes several minutes to get back where you were on some of them. Some of them have a "Bookmark" feature, but I've rarely gotten it to work properly, and it's a poor substitute.

They did the same thing with DVD - push a bunch of ancillary crap features that are never actually used to benefit the viewer (how many DVD's used the "multi-angle" feature at all - and how many used it significantly?). In this case, all the internet, Java, stuff has just turned out to be crap. I can think of exactly one release I cared anything about it - Lost S5 with the Lost University stuff. But, even that could have been right on the disc.

It really was a way for them to get us to think having our players hooked up to the Internet was necessary. It is advantageous for updating firmware, but that's about it. They just wanted in to our system via the Internet should they wish to update the encryption and such, the rest is a smokescreen. Oh, I forgot - and a way to update the trailers we watch when we put in a disc. Yay?

al cos. · 07-21-2011, 08:06 AM

No resume is just Sofa King dumb.

sebasd5 · 07-21-2011, 04:51 PM

We should gather a list of all the major studios and send them complaints. Does anybody know where can we find a list of addresses to get to the heads of the studios? I mean, not some address for the public where letters will just pile up, I mean a real address where at least it will get to the secretary of the guy on top.

Harlock415 · 07-21-2011, 05:04 PM

I've found that almost all the Asian movies I get from Hong Kong studios automatically resume. No bars and trailers to wade through, or having to get to the resume spot from the menu.

AreaUnderTheCurve · 07-21-2011, 05:13 PM

Internet connectivity allows for stupid ads on the main menu. So not only are you paying a premium for BDs, you're being hounded by ads as well.

07-19-2011, 04:19 AM	#1
sebasd5 Banned Member since:Nov 2007 Blu-ray reviews:3	A movie without BD-J. What a relief!! I had never watched the Harry Potter movies, so I decided to get started and got the first one from Netflix. At one point I had to pause to do something else for a while, and it turned out to be a little longer than I expected, so the Blu-ray player turned off by itself. When I turned it back on, and pressed play, the movie resumed right to the point where I had paused it!! It didn't make me waste a minute or two loading, no stupid progress bar or circle. It was bliss. Or as it could be called in the world of Blu-ray, BDMV. Now remind me, who was the idiot that came up with the idea to author Blu-rays with an abomination like BD-J? And who are the idiots that supported the technology? It seems to me that some people in Hollywood love to waste their time and decided that they should waste the time of all of us as well.

07-19-2011, 04:38 AM	#2
AreaUnderTheCurve Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2008 4K collection:40 Blu-ray collection:91 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:25	A lot of the WB discs start the film as soon as you put them in.

07-19-2011, 06:29 AM	#4
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Most early Blu-ray releases from 3 or 4 years ago do not have BD-Java on them. The studios all hired programmers to write their own proprietary BD-J code, so felt compelled to re-use it on most releases even when the disc did not really call for it. A nuisance on many BDs.

07-20-2011, 09:24 AM	#6
NYorker Power Member Member since:Sep 2009 Location:Europe Blu-ray collection:55	With my BTTF trilogy, every time I paused for more than 30 seconds, it stopped completely and I had to go back to the menu, go to scene selection...etc, etc. Every time! drove me crazy...

07-20-2011, 11:12 AM	#7
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	I think only just a few Blu-rays I own have BD-J in them.

07-20-2011, 11:28 AM	#8
aiman04 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Malaysia Home Theater Gallery:9	Avatar, latest Pixar movies, and others now have interactive resume function. It asks you to resume or start from the beginning. I thought these authored in BD-J? I prefer that because sometimes I wanna start from beginning again. And it loads reasonably quick enough for me.

07-20-2011, 01:51 PM	#11
phoenixcovenant Junior Member Member since:May 2011 Location:Ottawa, Canada Blu-ray collection:739 DVD collection:115 Trading Score:1	I noticed that 'Enter' didn't work for me either on my PS3 remote. If the 'Universal' logo pops up, I had to push the down indicator to make it turn off and resume the film. Hope that works for you. Jason

07-20-2011, 10:28 PM	#14
Mobe1969 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Brisbane, Australia 4K collection:980 Blu-ray collection:1610	Yeah, BJ discs are an utter scourge and I hate them. Some studios are bothering to implement resume in them now, but they have to go out of their way to put it in, rather than it being a frigging standard piece of operation, one sorely needed. So woe betide ye who accidentally hits the stop button during a film rather than pause. Then you are back to square one, and have to sit through all the antipiracy crap, and then find where you were. It is the new millennium version of the "be kind rewind" syndrome, where you go to put a movie in to watch with some friends and find the end credits are rolling, and apologise and try to keep a conversation going... That and game updates. Like I put in motorstorm apocalypse to have a look at. 1 hour and 1GB of updates later I was finally ready to INSTALL... By that time I was then pissed, and couldn't be bothered playing it much... Anyone wondering a good example of the suckage of BJ discs, try watching Heroes. When you stop for the night you have to make a paper note where the hell you are up to. Studios that make these ADD friendly BJ discs are utter turds.

07-20-2011, 10:48 PM	#15
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	LOTR:EE has the resume function.

07-21-2011, 08:06 AM	#17
al cos. Senior Member Member since:Apr 2009	No resume is just Sofa King dumb.

07-21-2011, 04:51 PM	#18
sebasd5 Banned Member since:Nov 2007 Blu-ray reviews:3	We should gather a list of all the major studios and send them complaints. Does anybody know where can we find a list of addresses to get to the heads of the studios? I mean, not some address for the public where letters will just pile up, I mean a real address where at least it will get to the secretary of the guy on top.

07-21-2011, 05:04 PM	#19
Harlock415 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jun 2009 Location:San Francisco 4K collection:827 Blu-ray collection:4736 DVD collection:533	I've found that almost all the Asian movies I get from Hong Kong studios automatically resume. No bars and trailers to wade through, or having to get to the resume spot from the menu.

07-21-2011, 05:13 PM	#20
AreaUnderTheCurve Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2008 4K collection:40 Blu-ray collection:91 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:25	Internet connectivity allows for stupid ads on the main menu. So not only are you paying a premium for BDs, you're being hounded by ads as well.

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