Anyone try the new Denon Blu-ray disc players - Blu-ray Forum

psulionroar · 01-21-2008, 04:56 PM

they have 2 new models out the dvd2500bt and the dvd3800bd they look pretty slick... let me know if any of you have messed with one yet

RUR · 01-21-2008, 05:10 PM

No one has one yet. The 2500 is due in ~2 weeks and, by report, the 3800 has been delayed until March: http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/21...d-until-march/

Woody · 01-23-2008, 01:36 AM

I received the 2500 today and will get to run it through some "tests" tomorrow.

I will post with some updates as soon as I can.

RUR · 01-23-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Woody

I received the 2500 today and will get to run it through some "tests" tomorrow.

I will post with some updates as soon as I can.

Where did you get it?

Woody · 01-23-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RUR

Where did you get it?

We are a dealer in OH.

CAB · 01-23-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Woody

We are a dealer in OH.

Know any dealers in Austin, TX that would part with one early for my permanent testing?

Woody · 01-23-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CAB

Know any dealers in Austin, TX that would part with one early for my permanent testing?

LOL, no sorry.

If you search for dealers in your area though, I wouldnt be surprised if they are getting them within the next few days.

The 2500 I mean.

CAB · 01-23-2008, 01:58 AM

I'll call around. I'm actually lookin for the 3800. I've gots to until i can replace my processor with something that will do HDMI and pre that'll better handle 5 channels I'm fronting my amps with a Pioneer 84TXsi for the time being which won't do trueHD or DTS HD.

Woody · 01-23-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CAB

I'll call around. I'm actually lookin for the 3800. I've gots to until i can replace my processor with something that will do HDMI and pre that'll better handle 5 channels I'm fronting my amps with a Pioneer 84TXsi for the time being which won't do trueHD or DTS HD.

Yeah the 3800 seems "behind schedule"

Rep is still saying end of Jan, Denon site says Feb, rumors say March.

CAB · 01-23-2008, 02:11 AM

If they keep that up, I'll be waiting for the new Pioneer Elite to land. It won't be Pioneer's first player and my main measure will be the video processor and the quietness of the drive and chassis.

RUR · 01-23-2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Woody

We are a dealer in OH.

Yes, being a slow student, I finally figured out who you are on AVS.

Looking forward to your findings, though I'm more interested in the 3800.

Woody · 01-23-2008, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUR

Yes, being a slow student, I finally figured out who you are on AVS.

Looking forward to your findings, though I'm more interested in the 3800.

Yeah, "woody" was taken on AVS a few months ago.

HeavyHitter · 01-23-2008, 03:02 AM

Woody,

Which Blu-ray player have you been using and on what kind of display?

I'm considering the Denon 2500 to replace my Panasonic BD30. Since it appears Panasonic is not going to fix the low LFE issue with PCM, I'll probably be dumping it.

RUR · 01-23-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

...Since it appears Panasonic is not going to fix the low LFE issue with PCM, I'll probably be dumping it.

Is there any issue with the Panny other than the fact that the LFE is -10db, as it should be? Does your receiver properly apply the 10db boost to the LFE?

ryoohki · 01-23-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Woody,

Which Blu-ray player have you been using and on what kind of display?

I'm considering the Denon 2500 to replace my Panasonic BD30. Since it appears Panasonic is not going to fix the low LFE issue with PCM, I'll probably be dumping it.

This issues is not really an issue. Real LFE in PCM is 10db lower. Most of the BD Player cheat that by adding LFE BACK to +10db, but you're receiver should add +10db in PCM Mode....

I had it disable on mine since the PS3 did the boost by itself, and turn it on with my BD30, never saw a difference in level..

HeavyHitter · 01-23-2008, 05:49 PM

Hey guys,

My receiver is a Pioneer Elite VSX-91TXH. I'm not sure if it applies the +10db boost for LFE or not.

But, the PCM LFE is -5db lower in the BD30.

RUR · 01-23-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Hey guys,

My receiver is a Pioneer Elite VSX-91TXH. I'm not sure if it applies the +10db boost for LFE or not.

But, the PCM LFE is -5db lower in the BD30.

LFE should be -10db for players and the receiver should apply a 10db boost to correct this. It isn't a problem, but an artifact of LFE, which cannot be sent without the drop due to the danger of overloading a receiver's input circuitry when a maximum volume LFE signal is sent. See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147 esp the OP.

Don't know if the 91 series does appropriately add the LFE boost, but the 84xx series does, whereas the 74xx series did not.

HeavyHitter · 01-23-2008, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUR

LFE should be -10db for players and the receiver should apply a 10db boost to correct this. It isn't a problem, but an artifact of LFE, which cannot be sent without the drop due to the danger of overloading a receiver's input circuitry when a maximum volume LFE signal is sent. See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147 esp the OP.

Don't know if the 91 series does appropriately add the LFE boost, but the 84xx series does, whereas the 74xx series did not.

Actually, Robert Dressler who is an insider for Dolby has confirmed the -5db PCM LFE issue over at AVS. Panasonic knows about the issue now. It appears the issue is out of design and may not be fixed.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...r#post12735352

Woody · 01-23-2008, 08:41 PM

I am not getting as much time today as I had hoped.

The load time from closing ka-thunk to disc playing on POTC 3 AWE was roughly 35 seconds. I was not very impressed but it was faster than the Pio 95FD.

The load time was roughly the same on Ratatoullie, and Cast Away.

The menu system is a bit generic IMO. and the HDMI setting choices were not easy to understand compared to the Sammy player, Sony player, and Pio player that I have used.

There is no "bitstream" option that would be the simplest way to set the player. The choices seem a bit more annoying and arent completely obvious with their end result.

The internal setting for output resolution is easy.

Upon choosing DTS HDMA on Cast Away and playing the movie, the 5308 was NOT showing that it was receiving DTS HDMA. I think the person who "set up" the 5308 didn't set the inputs correctly, so I will try to get back and try SD DVD and set the 5308 correctly today.

Sorry for the short info, I hope to have more info today, but may not get any time until tomorrow to "dig in" and make sure the system was set correctly.

The PQ was great (as great as it could be anyway on the TV) on a 1080p Mits 46" medallion LCD. (I wasnt there to choose the set. )

Hopefully I can move it to a Pio Elite plasma tomorrow.

mystiksuicide · 01-23-2008, 08:48 PM

They are supposed to arrive at our Magnolia stores on Feb 1. We already have the Pioneer Elite 94 but the Denon must be one sweet looking machine.

01-21-2008, 04:56 PM	#1
psulionroar Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray collection:159	Anyone try the new Denon Blu-ray disc players they have 2 new models out the dvd2500bt and the dvd3800bd they look pretty slick... let me know if any of you have messed with one yet

01-21-2008, 05:10 PM	#2
RUR Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Abiit, excessit, evasit, erupit Blu-ray collection:143 Trading Score:1	No one has one yet. The 2500 is due in ~2 weeks and, by report, the 3800 has been delayed until March: http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/21...d-until-march/ Last edited by RUR; 01-22-2008 at 01:17 AM. Reason: New information

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01-23-2008, 01:36 AM	#3
Woody Power Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:60 4K collection:175 Blu-ray collection:415 DVD collection:165	I received the 2500 today and will get to run it through some "tests" tomorrow. I will post with some updates as soon as I can.

01-23-2008, 01:58 AM	#8
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	I'll call around. I'm actually lookin for the 3800. I've gots to until i can replace my processor with something that will do HDMI and pre that'll better handle 5 channels I'm fronting my amps with a Pioneer 84TXsi for the time being which won't do trueHD or DTS HD.

01-23-2008, 02:11 AM	#10
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	If they keep that up, I'll be waiting for the new Pioneer Elite to land. It won't be Pioneer's first player and my main measure will be the video processor and the quietness of the drive and chassis.

01-23-2008, 03:02 AM	#13
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	Woody, Which Blu-ray player have you been using and on what kind of display? I'm considering the Denon 2500 to replace my Panasonic BD30. Since it appears Panasonic is not going to fix the low LFE issue with PCM, I'll probably be dumping it.

01-23-2008, 05:49 PM	#16
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	Hey guys, My receiver is a Pioneer Elite VSX-91TXH. I'm not sure if it applies the +10db boost for LFE or not. But, the PCM LFE is -5db lower in the BD30.

01-23-2008, 08:41 PM	#19
Woody Power Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:60 4K collection:175 Blu-ray collection:415 DVD collection:165	I am not getting as much time today as I had hoped. The load time from closing ka-thunk to disc playing on POTC 3 AWE was roughly 35 seconds. I was not very impressed but it was faster than the Pio 95FD. The load time was roughly the same on Ratatoullie, and Cast Away. The menu system is a bit generic IMO. and the HDMI setting choices were not easy to understand compared to the Sammy player, Sony player, and Pio player that I have used. There is no "bitstream" option that would be the simplest way to set the player. The choices seem a bit more annoying and arent completely obvious with their end result. The internal setting for output resolution is easy. Upon choosing DTS HDMA on Cast Away and playing the movie, the 5308 was NOT showing that it was receiving DTS HDMA. I think the person who "set up" the 5308 didn't set the inputs correctly, so I will try to get back and try SD DVD and set the 5308 correctly today. Sorry for the short info, I hope to have more info today, but may not get any time until tomorrow to "dig in" and make sure the system was set correctly. The PQ was great (as great as it could be anyway on the TV) on a 1080p Mits 46" medallion LCD. (I wasnt there to choose the set. ) Hopefully I can move it to a Pio Elite plasma tomorrow.

01-23-2008, 08:48 PM	#20
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	They are supposed to arrive at our Magnolia stores on Feb 1. We already have the Pioneer Elite 94 but the Denon must be one sweet looking machine.

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