Why buy anything but a PS3? - Blu-ray Forum

BitBanger · 02-05-2008, 09:02 PM

Sorry if I am sounding like a newbie, actually I am one!

Now that Blu Ray has basically won the war, it is time to buy a High Def Disk Player, Blu Ray of course. From what I can gather, the PS3 has more features than anything else and is priced less than all but a few previous version models.

So, even though I have no desire to ever play a game on it, why woudl I want to buy anything else to play movies?

Am I missing something? Is there some hidden problem with using it as a disk player?

cembros · 02-05-2008, 09:04 PM

big deal for those with high end home theathers

jq71586 · 02-05-2008, 09:04 PM

As of right now I guess the big knock of against the PS3 is that it can't produce certain types of HD sound codecs.

Someone more knowledgeable will come in explain it further. lol.

cembros · 02-05-2008, 09:05 PM

sorry the beginning of my message got cut off, what i said was that the ps3 cannot decode dts hd(yet) and cannot bitstream lossless audio...

jq71586 · 02-05-2008, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cembros

sorry the beginning of my message got cut off, what i said was that the ps3 cannot decode dts hd(yet) and cannot bitstream lossless audio...

There you go, there is that more knowledgeable answer.

I know crap about audio. lol

bhampton · 02-05-2008, 09:07 PM

I bought a PS3.

I do play the occasional game on it though.

I see no reason to buy a stand alone. Well,.. if the stand alone had analog outputs and decoders for all the audio formats then that could be usefull to people like me who have older AV Recievers. But,.. now I have an excuse to upgrade to HDMI audio which is really the better answer anyway.

-Brian

jorg · 02-05-2008, 09:08 PM

right know only the only thing is manly becuase alot of poeaple dose have hdmi resivers

CAB · 02-05-2008, 09:10 PM

Heat
Fan Noise
No IR/serial control
Form factor
No 6+ channel analog outputs
Slot load vs. tray load

I own a PS3 on the game room TV. It's a great piece of gear. It's cooking on a protein as I type this.

Can we do a FAQ on this?

ZeeMan84 · 02-05-2008, 09:11 PM

Well it's only a matter of time before PS3 gets the firmware update on DTS-MA which btw only Fox titles have as lossless sound and the best sound is from uncompressed PCM which the PS3 has no problem decoding.

PS3 will also become Profile 2.0 or Final version of Blu-ray Disc player so you just win with buying a PS3. You get a great entertainment hub that can do everything from going online from your living room couch wirelessly to playing great music that's saved on your 40 GB or 80 GB Harddrive to play demos and fun games from PSN and you can always check out the big fuss on some game that everyone is talking about here.

kilofox · 02-05-2008, 09:11 PM

I think that the PS3 is the only player out there that is upgradable to Profile 2.0

The Don · 02-05-2008, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhampton

I bought a PS3.

I do play the occasional game on it though.

I see no reason to buy a stand alone. Well,.. if the stand alone had analog outputs and decoders for all the audio formats then that could be usefull to people like me who have older AV Recievers. But,.. now I have an excuse to upgrade to HDMI audio which is really the better answer anyway.

-Brian

exactly...I have 45 Blu's and 2 games...(not including downloads) and do not see a point in having a standalone player..

CptGreedle · 02-05-2008, 09:15 PM

although there are other topics on this, I believe that the 2 draw backs are that:
A) The PS3 does not support universal IR remotes. There is no IR port on the PS3 and the blu-ray remote uses bluetooth and not IR.
B) DTS HD MA. The PS3 CAN play DTS, and plays lossless as well. But it can not bitstream or decode DTS HD MA (master audio). There is a rumor that they will add the ability to decode it in a future upgrade. There is nothing stopping it from decoding the codec itself, they apparently have decided to wait until more players support DTS HD MA before they add it to the PS3.

So the DTS HD MA argument is weak as few movies support it, fewer players support it, and it is likely that the PS3 will support it in the future.
There are also work around for the IR universal remote but they are far from perfect. Rumors have it that there will be a device that can receive IR signals and transmit the proper bluetooth signals so you can use universal remotes with the PS3 someday, but that is still just rumor.

The biggest advantage of the PS3 is the fact that it is nearly future-proof. It can handle major upgrades and is powerful enough to decode most anything you throw at it. So if you get one, you are likely to never need to buy a stand alone, unless you want a dedicated player.

blu-backer · 02-05-2008, 09:46 PM

The main things I see are:

1. Lack of DTS-MA
2. Form factor - some people just have to have the same type of gear
3. BT remote - some people just have to have one remote for everything

With the 40G PS3, I believe the noise and heat problems are gone.

The only other thing I've seen are some personal objections to having a "game system" in their living room. Some of these folks believe that a game console has no place in a home theater system and should only be in the kids' playroom.

That said, I love my PS3 and can't believe that any of these reasons could really outweigh the many advantages that it has over standalone players.

nelsona · 02-05-2008, 09:47 PM

Because I think it's butt ugly and I do not want a game console.

miokti · 02-05-2008, 09:56 PM

If I wasn't a gamer, I'd still get a PS3... It's the most future-proof of all the players out there. You don't have to wait for the future machines to come out.

B-rad · 02-05-2008, 10:09 PM

Yeah, not a gamer but I picked it up thinking it was the most future proof. When the stand alones begin to diverge in a definitive way I'll look into a stand alone.

reiella · 02-05-2008, 10:14 PM

Cosmetics : The Noise [audio cosmetic, very important issue imo], the jarring appearance in an HT setup [visual cosmetic].

Outputs : Constrained to the 1.3 hdmi spec output pretty much, not able to bitstream the newer codecs out. Mixed bag as to the benefit this provides or not though, some folks do swear by the advantage though, *shrug*

There's also supposed difference in picture quality, but well, I can't really get into that since 1) I have 1080i screen and B) I don't have a stand-alone to compare against or the tech know-how to figure it out

.

Blu-Raider · 02-05-2008, 10:17 PM

I always wondered why they make more than one flavor of ice cream?

Sling · 02-05-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelsona

Because I think it's butt ugly and I do not want a game console.

Toshiba HD DVD players are butt ugly and you got to feel sorry for those still buying hd dvd Movies ...What a bunch of idiots

nelsona · 02-05-2008, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sling

Toshiba HD DVD players are butt ugly and you got to feel sorry for those still buying hd dvd Movies ...What a bunch of idiots

I feel sorry for the idiots that can't put a sentence together right.

02-05-2008, 09:02 PM	#1
BitBanger Junior Member Member since:Jan 2008	Why buy anything but a PS3? Sorry if I am sounding like a newbie, actually I am one! Now that Blu Ray has basically won the war, it is time to buy a High Def Disk Player, Blu Ray of course. From what I can gather, the PS3 has more features than anything else and is priced less than all but a few previous version models. So, even though I have no desire to ever play a game on it, why woudl I want to buy anything else to play movies? Am I missing something? Is there some hidden problem with using it as a disk player?

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cembros Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:456 Trading Score:4	sorry the beginning of my message got cut off, what i said was that the ps3 cannot decode dts hd(yet) and cannot bitstream lossless audio...

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bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	I bought a PS3. I do play the occasional game on it though. I see no reason to buy a stand alone. Well,.. if the stand alone had analog outputs and decoders for all the audio formats then that could be usefull to people like me who have older AV Recievers. But,.. now I have an excuse to upgrade to HDMI audio which is really the better answer anyway. -Brian

02-05-2008, 09:08 PM	#7
jorg Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:2	right know only the only thing is manly becuase alot of poeaple dose have hdmi resivers

02-05-2008, 09:10 PM	#8
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	Heat Fan Noise No IR/serial control Form factor No 6+ channel analog outputs Slot load vs. tray load I own a PS3 on the game room TV. It's a great piece of gear. It's cooking on a protein as I type this. Can we do a FAQ on this?

02-05-2008, 09:11 PM	#9
ZeeMan84 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Orlando, FL	Well it's only a matter of time before PS3 gets the firmware update on DTS-MA which btw only Fox titles have as lossless sound and the best sound is from uncompressed PCM which the PS3 has no problem decoding. PS3 will also become Profile 2.0 or Final version of Blu-ray Disc player so you just win with buying a PS3. You get a great entertainment hub that can do everything from going online from your living room couch wirelessly to playing great music that's saved on your 40 GB or 80 GB Harddrive to play demos and fun games from PSN and you can always check out the big fuss on some game that everyone is talking about here.

02-05-2008, 09:11 PM	#10
kilofox Member Member since:Jan 2007	I think that the PS3 is the only player out there that is upgradable to Profile 2.0

02-05-2008, 09:15 PM	#12
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	although there are other topics on this, I believe that the 2 draw backs are that: A) The PS3 does not support universal IR remotes. There is no IR port on the PS3 and the blu-ray remote uses bluetooth and not IR. B) DTS HD MA. The PS3 CAN play DTS, and plays lossless as well. But it can not bitstream or decode DTS HD MA (master audio). There is a rumor that they will add the ability to decode it in a future upgrade. There is nothing stopping it from decoding the codec itself, they apparently have decided to wait until more players support DTS HD MA before they add it to the PS3. So the DTS HD MA argument is weak as few movies support it, fewer players support it, and it is likely that the PS3 will support it in the future. There are also work around for the IR universal remote but they are far from perfect. Rumors have it that there will be a device that can receive IR signals and transmit the proper bluetooth signals so you can use universal remotes with the PS3 someday, but that is still just rumor. The biggest advantage of the PS3 is the fact that it is nearly future-proof. It can handle major upgrades and is powerful enough to decode most anything you throw at it. So if you get one, you are likely to never need to buy a stand alone, unless you want a dedicated player.

02-05-2008, 09:46 PM	#13
blu-backer Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:118	The main things I see are: 1. Lack of DTS-MA 2. Form factor - some people just have to have the same type of gear 3. BT remote - some people just have to have one remote for everything With the 40G PS3, I believe the noise and heat problems are gone. The only other thing I've seen are some personal objections to having a "game system" in their living room. Some of these folks believe that a game console has no place in a home theater system and should only be in the kids' playroom. That said, I love my PS3 and can't believe that any of these reasons could really outweigh the many advantages that it has over standalone players.

02-05-2008, 09:47 PM	#14
nelsona Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Baltimore Blu-ray collection:78 Trading Score:17	Because I think it's butt ugly and I do not want a game console.

02-05-2008, 09:56 PM	#15
miokti Expert Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:San Diego, CA	If I wasn't a gamer, I'd still get a PS3... It's the most future-proof of all the players out there. You don't have to wait for the future machines to come out.

02-05-2008, 10:09 PM	#16
B-rad Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Yeah, not a gamer but I picked it up thinking it was the most future proof. When the stand alones begin to diverge in a definitive way I'll look into a stand alone.

02-05-2008, 10:14 PM	#17
reiella Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:237 DVD collection:1	Cosmetics : The Noise [audio cosmetic, very important issue imo], the jarring appearance in an HT setup [visual cosmetic]. Outputs : Constrained to the 1.3 hdmi spec output pretty much, not able to bitstream the newer codecs out. Mixed bag as to the benefit this provides or not though, some folks do swear by the advantage though, shrug There's also supposed difference in picture quality, but well, I can't really get into that since 1) I have 1080i screen and B) I don't have a stand-alone to compare against or the tech know-how to figure it out .

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