Beginners Question (Transferring Vinyl to BD)

[Nick Beecham]

Sorry if this is a silly question. I've only ever had CD and DVD players - never recorders, so I'm not familiar with this at all.

I have around 200 vinyl LPs and am keen to get rid of them together with my turntable, after I have backed them up.

Can analogue sound be recorded onto Blue Ray discs? If so, would anyone know how many Mb a double sided LP would require?

Many thanks in advance.

Nick

[Alex Pallas]

you're in for some fun, i've actually done some vinyl>mp3 conversions. first of all its probably going to be alot easier to buy all the releases as cds, i gaurantee transferring that many records will be a pain in the ass, secondly, it will be expensive as well. i'll lay down the basics
1. Unless you are fortunate enough to have a Vaio (like me ) you are going to have to get a computer interface for RCA cables, if your turntable does not use RCA, i suggest you buy one with RCA outputs, otherwise you'll never get any thing accomplished, here is an example of a RCA interface: http://www.zzounds.com/item--RLLGCI404
2. you will need to get a computer program that will record sound coming from the inputs, often if you have a good pc the software will be included (example: sonicstage mastering studio).
3.now that you've got the necessceraries you have to record in REAL time, that hook your record player up to your computer (via an RCA interface), press record on whatever program you got, then let your record play all the way through, hit stop, and you have now recorded one half of the LP. do that 399 more times and you have your whole collection archived. if you want to get fancy you can load the recorded material into a program that will allow you to seperate the tracks by splitting the long recording whenever a song ends. now your songs are either saved in mp3 or WAV format, which you can then burn onto a Blu-Ray disc and listen to on a Blu-Ray drive, i dont know if Blu-Ray players for tv will be able to playback the mp3 or WAV, but it will depend specifically on the player you buy

like i said, this process is very long and if a humongous pain in the ass, so unless you got some rare vinyl like Analogue Bubblebath 5 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogue_Bubblebath_5 ), Q-Chastic ( http://www.discogs.com/release/45528 ), or some other limited shit, suggest you buy cds.

[Nick Beecham]

Wow!

Thanks Alex for your comprehensive reply. I had no idea it would be so complicated. I think I must abandon that idea then.

Nick

[Alex Pallas]

you'll get better quality by buying the cds anyway, if you want to store them on your computer, just put the cd in the disc drive, open windows media player, change your 'rip settings' to a high bit rate, and set your cds to be ripped to either mp3 or WAV. WAVs are bigger but the quality is better, you should be able to find guides on the subject at microsofts web site; then if your harddrive gets full you can transfer the songs onto a Blu-Ray disc. i personally have about 300 gigs or music related material, so i have multiple harddrives, but they could fail at any minute, so i'm hoping the BD will increase layers for more storage

[thunderhawk]

Normally your turntable will have 2 outputs, a red and a white connector.
You have to connect those to a soundcard for your computer.

Then you can record the music on your computer.
If you dislike .mp3, you can always try .wma, WMA is a codec that provides better quality and is good supported by MP3 players and stuff like that. Another, even better format is the .aac, Advanced Audio Codec is sometimes supported by MP3 players like Apples iPod and some others too.

If you want to have them on CD, you record the music as .wav (wave is the uncompressed audio) and burn it on a CD.
If you want it on a DVD-Audio........

There are many ways and possibilities, but I have hardly anything to add to Alex Pallas' explanation

[Alex Pallas]

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

Normally your turntable will have 2 outputs, a red and a white connector.
You have to connect those to a soundcard for your computer.

Then you can record the music on your computer.
If you dislike .mp3, you can always try .wma, WMA is a codec that provides better quality and is good supported by MP3 players and stuff like that. Another, even better format is the .aac, Advanced Audio Codec is sometimes supported by MP3 players like Apples iPod and some others too.

If you want to have them on CD, you record the music as .wav (wave is the uncompressed audio) and burn it on a CD.
If you want it on a DVD-Audio........

There are many ways and possibilities, but I have hardly anything to add to Alex Pallas' explanation

ewww WMA.... we need to have a long discussion about converting you to WAV

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by Alex Pallas

ewww WMA.... we need to have a long discussion about converting you to WAV

Yeah, WAV Power ! But AAC is good too !

[Blue]

For recording to DVD or CD
Assuming it's not a very very expensive turntable it will have a Moving Magnet cartridge - which mant sound cards support, if not no big deal line out from you amplifier (e.g. tape out - for recording will work quite well).

For a Blu Ray burner for a computer the above will work quite well (infact exactly the same if you want)- just between 50 CD's or 7 DVD's worth of music. As for the Blu Ray player recorder decks who know what they will be able to do - no one has seen one yet (prototypes don't count). However we have been promised (again don't believe it until it's available) an even higher quality than CD. Those with normal hearing should NOT be able to tell the difference between a Blu Ray and LP.

Technically the reorders can do anything like this. As far as the marketing and finance departments - who knows what the records will do. I can also safely predict what the first generation has will be different from the third an later generations. I suspect that a computer will be involved in your exploits of LP to Blu Ray. Your other question how big is an LP in MB well for CD quality approx 700MB per LP

[Nick Beecham]

Many thanks

I look forward to the day when I can fit my entire LP collection onto 3 double sided BR discs then.

Nick

[cpl_hayes]

:!: I totally disagree. Well, it depends. I have a LOT of JAZZ n' Old rock, ect. If you go to find these recordings on CD, whew, one was $30! Well worth my time to sit back enjoy REAL music wilst computing. Also, many don't know, but WAX does produce a better sound (no flame war please).

Anyway the set-up:

You MUST have at leastb 512 RAM
Dont use the motherboard sound card if possible. (I have a Santa Cruz). Very nice.

You must have a amp for the truntable because it can not amplifi the sound found a decent one for you on eaby http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-TA-F45-Inte...QQcmdZViewItem

truntable to amp
get a RCA to 1/8 jack converter $2.00 this converts the (usually) to tape jacks to the line-in on the sound card.
On my amp I have to make sue Phono is selected. heres my style.

I use Nero wav editor.
Place you record on the table
Click record on the nero wave recorder
then play record. dont worry about the dead air.
sit back work whatever.
press ok on nero once song finishes
the dead air is obvious for the in-between tracks, highlght the first track, cut, click new paste, save.
you fine tune the process as you go, and enhanc ethe sounf with feature like remove LP hiss ect.
:P