Disney don't treat Europe with 24 bit uncompressed

[*TIMMIE*]

Fortunately Disney releases many titles with PCM over here, but what stangles me is that all of the discs have 16 bit sound (4.6mbit) and not the fully uncompressed like in the USA/Canada (6.9mbit). For example: Pirates, Ratatouille.

I am aware that there are more audiotracks on the European Blu Ray discs, because there are many different languages spoken over here. It is just cheaper, because there are less masters needed (how expensive is it to produce a master??). I think it is a pity the original audio has to get a lower bitrate, because of that as we do not get the full audiotreatment.

It's not the first time, as we used to get French dubbed DTS tracks on titles in the Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) as Pirates, instead of the Englisch DTS Track. Just like Universal did.

Seems to me they don't take Europe that serious on maximum quality.

[WriteSimply]

Write in and complain. Make your case and offer alternatives of implementation since obviously you can't have it all.

What Disney EU did is probably how paidgeek's team do in determining how and what gets included in a release. That is, they'll consider all the assets that need to be included for a worldwide release to minimize a re-encode possibility, which includes subtitles, dubbed tracks and other contents.

Judging from SPHE's work, this can be done easily. So write in.


fuad

[Lord_Phan]

LPCM takes up alot of Memory, They're probably doing that because of the increased number of tracks. if they all had uncompressed 24bit LPCM for every language they'd run out of room on the disk.

[*TIMMIE*]

I understand not all tracks can be LPCM. It is about the original language not being 24mbit like the USA version, but 16mbit. I wish that was the main priotity for the highest quality possible (as Disney stated in commercials).

[Getus]

I fully agree with timmie,

you could write a complain, and i will back you up on that one! Two people say more than one.

But wy don't you import the usa versions op pirates? The links of the sites you gave me are very helpfull.

[NutsAboutPS3]

It really annoys me that they do this. I don't see why UK discs should have ANY dubbed audio tracks, especially not when it means they have to discard things like commentary tracks to make room for them, and as you say, reduce the quality of the main original language track.

[Lord_Phan]

They dub english movies in the U.K.?

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by Lord_Phan

They dub english movies in the U.K.?

Yes, UK Blu-ray releases typically have several dubbed audio tracks. In the case of Pirates of the Caribbean, this meant they had to drop the commentary tracks

[Lord_Phan]

Surrender to Canada and join Region 1.

In essence the Queen will surrender to.... herself

[*TIMMIE*]

Originally Posted by Getus

I fully agree with timmie,

you could write a complain, and i will back you up on that one! Two people say more than one.

But wy don't you import the usa versions op pirates? The links of the sites you gave me are very helpfull.

I have POTCMC on US BR. I will order POTC:COTBP soon, but I have a question about the framingproblem and the current discs on the market (see: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=39993). Unfortunately the third movie is region coded, so I can't play it over here. Otherwise I would have imported the superior version of Prestige with PCM, instead of Dolby Digital like the WB version in Europe.

I definately will think about writing a letter to Disney, but I doubt it will help as commentary to Disney about the French DTS tracks on Benelux Discs did not help.

Originally Posted by Lord_Phan

Surrender to Canada and join Region 1.

In essence the Queen will surrender to.... herself

Actually, I am thinking wether I will emigrate to Canada or not in the next few years.

[Getus]

[QUOTE=*TIMMIE*;666008]Unfortunately the third movie is region coded, so I can't play it over here. Otherwise I would have imported the superior version of Prestige with PCM, instead of Dolby Digital like the WB version in Europe. [QUOTE=*TIMMIE*;666008]

I definately will think about writing a letter to Disney, but I doubt it will help as commentary to Disney about the French DTS tracks on Benelux Discs did not help.

If you want i can write a letter to Disney to. For pirates and the prestige. I want that movie so bad, but i refuse to pay 30 euro's for a "crappy" dd version.

I didn't buy pirates yet, because i own them on dvd. i will first be movies on blu that i do not yet have on dvd. and when my money lets me i will rebuy some dvd's on blu.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lord_Phan

LPCM takes up alot of Memory, They're probably doing that because of the increased number of tracks. if they all had uncompressed 24bit LPCM for every language they'd run out of room on the disk.

More to do with bandwidth than disc capacity.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by *TIMMIE*

Actually, I am thinking wether I will emigrate to Canada or not in the next few years.

With a username like that, there's no better place for you to go!



Hopefully you like hockey, beer, coffee and snow.

[*TIMMIE*]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

With a username like that, there's no better place for you to go!



Hopefully you like hockey, beer, coffee and snow.

Help to remind me to change that first.

Well I can watch a Blu Ray with a beer (or coffee when I am tired ). Otherwise I can go skiing. Enough ways to enjoy, so I do not need to watch or play hockey.

Isn't it possible to combine tracks, with only changing the dubbing so discspace can be saved? Read somewhere that should be possible with HD audio.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by *TIMMIE*

Isn't it possible to combine tracks, with only changing the dubbing so discspace can be saved? Read somewhere that should be possible with HD audio.

I don't think that would work - it would mean that all "dubbed" options would only be available on 1.1 player which could mix the audio on-the-fly.

[*TIMMIE*]

That's a pity. It would be a great solution for saving disc space.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Lord_Phan

LPCM takes up alot of Memory, They're probably doing that because of the increased number of tracks. if they all had uncompressed 24bit LPCM for every language they'd run out of room on the disk.

6.9Mbps is 3.1GB per hour. With 50GB discs there is no capacity issue. It's probably a bandwidth one.

Europe generally has a LOT of dubbed tracks. At 640Kbps for DD 5.1, they can have THREE more dubbed tracks if they use 16-bit instead of 24-bit. It makes a better overall product for Europe.

Maybe you should be asking BVHE Europe to start to use Dolby TrueHD, and that would allow 24-bit.

Gary

[*TIMMIE*]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

6.9Mbps is 3.1GB per hour. With 50GB discs there is no capacity issue. It's probably a bandwidth one.

Europe generally has a LOT of dubbed tracks. At 640Kbps for DD 5.1, they can have THREE more dubbed tracks if they use 16-bit instead of 24-bit. It makes a better overall product for Europe.

Maybe you should be asking BVHE Europe to start to use Dolby TrueHD, and that would allow 24-bit.

Gary

They did use Dolby True HD (16 and not 24) for Cars (no PCM at all). Could be a sign for future releases (also in the USA???).

[WickyWoo]

Yes there is a trend toward using Dolby THD for this very reason, also so they can fit more lossless tracks

Frankly, I think the best option is to tell dublovers to shove it, but I realize that the studios don't exactly see things that way

Recompressing the film would be replicating the most expensive part of disc production. They're not going to do it again just so there can be lossless

[MarekM]

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._Blu-ray_/1512

disney's first DolbyTrueHD title.....in US

Marek