Interview with Toshiba CEO

[turboLAZER]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

What they don't show you is the rear projection part. Laser TV isn't a flat panel technology, it is much like LCoS (or SXRD if you prefer Sony) but using lasers. It will never take off with stuff like OLED just around the corner (bigger OLED TVs are coming sooner than you all think...).

I don't understand why people are trying to hype up these new TV technologies like OLED and Laser, when Pioneer has improved plasma technology to a point that makes all other technologies look silly. 50"+, 9mm thick, perfect blacks. If Pioneer releases these concept plasmas in 2009, what benefit would anyone get from going with OLED or Laser?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/h...oncept-plasma/

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

What they don't show you is the rear projection part. Laser TV isn't a flat panel technology, it is much like LCoS (or SXRD if you prefer Sony) but using lasers. It will never take off with stuff like OLED just around the corner (bigger OLED TVs are coming sooner than you all think...).

Hey Maxpower, how about this:

http://www.dailytech.com/Sheets+of+C...ticle10927.htm

Now a breakthrough from Nanocomp Technologies, a New Hampshire Company: makes 3x6 ft carbon nanotube sheets, 100 sq. ft. sheets by the end of the summer; possible uses include consumer electronics, aircraft, and spacecraft

Will this have an impact on potential future flat panel display technologies coming to market other then OLED? Perhaps a rebirth of SED in some shape or form or variation?... as long as Toshitba is'nt involved in any way shape or form...

[DaViD Boulet]

I don't understand why people are trying to hype up these new TV technologies like OLED and Laser, when Pioneer has improved plasma technology to a point that makes all other technologies look silly. 50"+, 9mm thick, perfect blacks. If Pioneer releases these concept plasmas in 2009, what benefit would anyone get from going with OLED or Laser?

Plasmas all have harsh pixel structure because of the side-by-side stacking of the RGB elements. Really bad looking at 1.5 screen-widths... no way is plasma a decent "high end" technology for large-screen displays with wide viewing angles. The screen looks almost like the shadowmask of old-fashioned CRT tubes... very grainy when you go wide-angle.

[ezcobar411]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

What they don't show you is the rear projection part. Laser TV isn't a flat panel technology, it is much like LCoS (or SXRD if you prefer Sony) but using lasers. It will never take off with stuff like OLED just around the corner (bigger OLED TVs are coming sooner than you all think...).

This is definitely good news. I hope that they are reasonably priced by 2010. That's when I'm planning on buying another set.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by turboLAZER

I don't understand why people are trying to hype up these new TV technologies like OLED and Laser, when Pioneer has improved plasma technology to a point that makes all other technologies look silly. 50"+, 9mm thick, perfect blacks. If Pioneer releases these concept plasmas in 2009, what benefit would anyone get from going with OLED or Laser?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/h...oncept-plasma/

Pioneer, rightly, have not told anyone the response times of the concept ultra-black Kuro...

OLED has loads of advantages over plasma, it will get superior PQ, the first gen 11" unit is astoundingly good, compare that to first gen Plasma or LCD and you will see why a lot of people are going to be investing big in OLED in the next couple of years. One of the reasons that Sony haven't bothered with their own 10G LCD (for TVs due in 2010) plant is that they expect OLED to start maturing quite quickly from 11" to much larger sizes. They already have a 27" prototype they have shown, Samsung will show a 30" prototype very soon. Bigger sizes north of 40" are already in the works to be ready by 2010. It consumes way less power, which is becoming more of an issue these days with everybody driving down the cost of living, plasma has very high power consumption, and can be a large part of the overall electricity bill these days. Near instantaneous response times, which is great for gaming and the like.

All of those overblown doom scenarios about OLED TVs lasting 20,000 are rubbish, they have half-lives well into 50,000 hours so it won't be that big of a deal. By the time the 50,000 hours are up, I expect the specific TV will be outdated anyway...

Further into the distance we are going to get FED, this is way in to the future though, and no one knows about the potential of OLED, so the CE companies may not pursue it as aggressively as they do OLED now (the LCD only manufacturers will lead the push to OLED in late 2010, mark my words...). FED is great because it is CRT but in a nice thin package. Expensive though...

[ranma]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

Quote

"If you watch standard DVDs on our players, the images are of very high quality because they include an "upconverting" feature. And we're going to improve this even more, so that consumers won't be able to tell the difference from HD DVD images. The players would be much cheaper than Blu-ray players too. Next-generation DVD players are in a much weaker position than when standard DVD players were first introduced."

what a jackass. talk about sore loser.

So, It is official now, that HD DVD is look and sound of upconverted DVD.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

Hey Maxpower, how about this:

http://www.dailytech.com/Sheets+of+C...ticle10927.htm



Will this have an impact on potential future flat panel display technologies coming to market other then OLED? Perhaps a rebirth of SED in some shape or form or variation?... as long as Toshitba is'nt involved in any way shape or form...

Well, you can't project black so it will be difficult to say how it will compare to theatrical presentations.

SED is done, plasma is better than SED, and it is too far behind to catch up now.

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

The screen looks almost like the shadowmask of old-fashioned CRT tubes... very grainy when you go wide-angle.

Yeah, but people here love grain!

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Kuraudo

^ You can never compare upscaled movies to the real deal Blu Ray.
I agree, what a sore loser.

i agree, but a lot of people think if they buy a upconvert player they are seeing hi-def.i wish the ce's would stop making these players.
seems like tosh is trying to undermine blu-ray

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by ranma

So, It is official now, that HD DVD is look and sound of upconverted DVD.

Sounds good enough to me!

Dr.A

[turboLAZER]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Plasmas all have harsh pixel structure because of the side-by-side stacking of the RGB elements. Really bad looking at 1.5 screen-widths... no way is plasma a decent "high end" technology for large-screen displays with wide viewing angles. The screen looks almost like the shadowmask of old-fashioned CRT tubes... very grainy when you go wide-angle.

I have no idea what you're talking about

when i refer to plasma TVs, i am only referring to models from panasonic and pioneer. I am not referring to samsung, LG, or any other brand. i have yet to see any other set compare to this generations' Kuro and if the 'extreme contrast concept" lives up to the hype, the $2,500 11" OLED will not be a threat to pioneer's status as the #1 flat panel

[york weir]

Max,

I'm in the market for a new TV in the next 6 months. Should I wait for OLED or proceed? In other words, how long before I can get a 50"+ OLED under $3k?

[TauRus]

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

Yeah, but people here love grain!

Well, not that type of a grain. The grain that David was talking about looks more like a mesh, a screen door.

[TauRus]

Originally Posted by york weir

Max,

I'm in the market for a new TV in the next 6 months. Should I wait for OLED or proceed? In other words, how long before I can get a 50"+ OLED under $3k?

11' OLEDs just streeted in the US a few months back. I would not expect a 50" model to street for another couple of years, at least not for a resonable price tag.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Pioneer, rightly, have not told anyone the response times of the concept ultra-black Kuro...

So, is it done by putting a black LCD filter in front?

The response time for plasmas is in the microseconds as they stand. Are Pioneer about to spoil it with the ultra-black?

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

OLED has loads of advantages over plasma, it will get superior PQ, the first gen 11" unit is astoundingly good, compare that to first gen Plasma or LCD and you will see why a lot of people are going to be investing big in OLED in the next couple of years.

For 1/4HD it is outstanding. I'm very impressed.

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

One of the reasons that Sony haven't bothered with their own 10G LCD (for TVs due in 2010) plant is that they expect OLED to start maturing quite quickly from 11" to much larger sizes. They already have a 27" prototype they have shown, Samsung will show a 30" prototype very soon. Bigger sizes north of 40" are already in the works to be ready by 2010. It consumes way less power, which is becoming more of an issue these days with everybody driving down the cost of living, plasma has very high power consumption, and can be a large part of the overall electricity bill these days. Near instantaneous response times, which is great for gaming and the like.

OLED looks to definitely be my next set in 3-4 years, if they can ramp up the sizes (and resolution).

Gary

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

What they don't show you is the rear projection part. Laser TV isn't a flat panel technology, it is much like LCoS (or SXRD if you prefer Sony) but using lasers. It will never take off with stuff like OLED just around the corner (bigger OLED TVs are coming sooner than you all think...).

Yeah, I know it is thicker than your normal LCD screens. As the one shown at CES is about 10 inches thick. However, it has been stated that once they go commercial later this year, that they will be substantially thinner...

http://laser-tv.org/2008/laser-tv-may-trim-down/

...and with the TV being approximately the same price or lower than current LCD and Plasma prices, I think it is well worth it. Moreover, with the capability of showing more than double the color of plasmas and lcds, I think LaserTV can potentially shape up to be a real winner. It will be interesting to see the official tech specs as we draw closer to the end of the year.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by turboLAZER

I don't understand why people are trying to hype up these new TV technologies like OLED and Laser, when Pioneer has improved plasma technology to a point that makes all other technologies look silly. 50"+, 9mm thick, perfect blacks. If Pioneer releases these concept plasmas in 2009, what benefit would anyone get from going with OLED or Laser?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/h...oncept-plasma/

LaserTV, to my understanding still has the color advantage to plasma, with current plasmas only showing 40% of the color the human eye can see whereas the LaserTV will show 90% of the color the human eye can see.

In regards to your Kuro plasma reference, it appears to be more geared to improving contrast...which would put it on par with the contrast of LaserTV, but without the wide spectrum of colors LaserTVs would provide.

[dialog_gvf]

When will I be able to walk into a store and purchase a 50" laser TV for under $4000?

Plasma won't be the next set for a lot of us. But, it's infinitely better than something you can't buy today.

Gary

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by york weir

Max,

I'm in the market for a new TV in the next 6 months. Should I wait for OLED or proceed? In other words, how long before I can get a 50"+ OLED under $3k?

50" sure, under $3k, not so much, not for another four or five years at least. Comoditisation of another display technology isn't what the CE industry needs right now...

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

When will I be able to walk into a store and purchase a 50" laser TV for under $4000?

Plasma won't be the next set for a lot of us. But, it's infinitely better than something you can't buy today.

Gary

Possibly this year. But I couldn't say for sure. It is my understanding that the TVs at CES were 65" LaserTVs and that the plan is to have LaserTVs 52" and larger to compete directly with LCDs and Plasmas at their current price level. Here is some info from those from Mitsubishi...

http://laser-tv.org/2008/mitsubishis...the-limelight/