4K(2160P) Blu-ray movies

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

There isn't a prayer in the world that any 4K physical format will ever catch on with consumers.

I only hope that this finally drives the last nail into the coffin of DVD as producers limit themselves to (possibly) a 4K niche format for geeks and Blu-ray for the broad base of consumers.

Given declining sales of discs in general, having three disc formats in production would be insane...especially since the old standard def format is still sucking up the majority of sales. Further slicing up the HD pie would be retail suicide. Producers need to step up and say, "This isn't 1999 anymore. Standard defintion is done".

I agree, it will just further confuse the general public. Sony is really banking on streaming with their new player, and have stated that 4000 titles will be available in the fall for streaming rental.

Apple and netflix have proved that streaming is the future.

According to The NPD Group, a global information company, Apple dominates the home digital-video sector, in much the same way it dominates digital music. iTunes’ share of electronic sell-through (EST) for television shows reached 67 percent in 2012. EST television sales from Xbox Video, Apple’s nearest competitor, comprised 14 percent of the market. When it comes to feature-length movies, iTunes boasted a 65 percent share of EST, with Amazon and Xbox Video far behind at 10 percent each. Note: EST includes only video content that is purchased by consumers for permanent ownership.

In the Internet video-on-demand (iVOD) sector, the field is more crowded; however, iTunes has a clear lead there, too, with a 45 percent market share of online movie rentals, which is more than twice the share of Amazon Instant Video (18 percent) and triple that for VUDU (15 percent).

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by SolidRaider

How is 2160p considered 4K?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...77&postcount=6

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by SolidRaider

How is 2160p considered 4K?

I hope this will help > http://ngcodec.com/ .

[postulio]

Interesting thread, I came searching what these new 4K masters were all about and got my answer, thanks.

To reiterate: The slogan is a gimmick, but the fact that these movies got a new master is worth noting and will probably be an improvement. Having said that, whatever new format/standard we will get for 4k, these movies' first release on that format will probably be this same master, but output in 4k resolution instead of our current 2k one (1080p is practically 2k).

Anyone else worried new gen coming too quickly? I for one do not want to upgrade my system to 4k, nor my library. i am very happy w/ my home theater and have no intention of rebuying my 500+ movies in 4k. I never collected DVDs because I didnt think the quality was to my favor with CRT tvs and all, but BD+1080p LED TVs are beautiful. Maybe when *quality* 3D, high Hz 4k TVs are around $1000 for 55"+ I will get the TV but not until then. anyone know how 1080p BDs will look on a 4k TV? DVD even upscaled looks pretty bad on a 60" LCD.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by postulio

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Anyone else worried new gen coming too quickly?

Nope.

There won't be a 4K disc format for consumers.

At best (and even this is a longshot) there might be a small 4k disc niche for videophiles.

You won't be replacing your BDs with an imaginary 4k disc format.

My hope for this is better mastering for Blu-rays and greater movement away from DVD and into high definition in general.

In the minds of the public. Blu-ray is (mistakenly) seen as a high-end niche product. That's largely why DVD continues to hold about 70% of the disc market even in an age of high definition. People have HDTVs and subscribe to HD signals but continues to buy standard definition discs. My hope it that the promotion of a very high end high definition product (4K) will be one step in weening the public off DVD and will help entrench BD as the consumer format of choice.

As I said, you can't have THREE physical disc formats in todays market. Something HAS to go. I hope that, as studios start to master in 4K and promote 4K, they will look at the disc market and realize that selling standard definition discs to a gullible public won't help their cause. If they want to keep pouring money into high definition mastering and marketing, they need to stop milking the old SD format and get solidly behind high definition.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

Nope.

There won't be a 4K disc format for consumers.

At best (and even this is a longshot) there might be a small 4k disc niche for videophiles.

You won't be replacing your BDs with an imaginary 4k disc format.

My hope for this is better mastering for Blu-rays and greater movement away from DVD and into high defintion in general.

In the minds of the public. Blu-ray is (mistakenly) seen as a high-end niche product. That's largely why DVD continues to hold about 70% of the disc market even in an age of high defintion. People have HDTVs and subscribe to HD signals but continues to buy standard definition discs. My hope it that the promotion of a very high end high defintion product (4K) will be one step in weening the public off DVD and will help entrench BD as the consumer format of choice.

As I said, you can't have THREE physical disc formats in todays market. Something HAS to go. I hope that, as studios start to master in 4K and promote 4K, they will look at the disc market and realize that selling standard defintion discs to a gullible public won't help their cause. If they want to keep pouring money into high defintion mastering and marketing, they need to stop milking the old SD format and get solidly behind high definition.

I absolutely agree. The studios need to toss the DVD in combo packs and then gradually kill off DVD only SKUs for new releases.

[postulio]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I absolutely agree. The studios need to toss the DVD in combo packs and then gradually kill off DVD only SKUs for new releases.

I too agree, it is time to kill off new DVDs. This will help everyone the studios as well as fans by driving BD prices down to what DVD prices are now.

Having said that, I do believe we will see a 4k format sometime in the future, hopefully it will be an updated Blu-ray format that backwards compatible.

By the way, Goofnut, thanks for all your information in this thread. Very insightful and informative. I was not well versed on 4k until now.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by postulio

I too agree, it is time to kill off new DVDs. This will help everyone the studios as well as fans by driving BD prices down to what DVD prices are now.

Having said that, I do believe we will see a 4k format sometime in the future, hopefully it will be an updated Blu-ray format that backwards compatible.

By the way, Goofnut, thanks for all your information in this thread. Very insightful and informative. I was not well versed on 4k until now.

You're quite welcome. If you have any questions that I did not answer here just shoot me a PM.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by postulio

Interesting thread, I came searching what these new 4K masters were all about and got my answer, thanks.

Skimming the thread, I understand now. Some people want their own sandbox to meet new friends, etc.

To the OP Sean, well I guess it’s better than sitting in traffic all morning long on 285 on the way to work…more 4K threads the merrier . Pro or con.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by postulio

Interesting thread, I came searching what these new 4K masters were all about and got my answer, thanks.

To reiterate: The slogan is a gimmick, but the fact that these movies got a new master is worth noting and will probably be an improvement. Having said that, whatever new format/standard we will get for 4k, these movies' first release on that format will probably be this same master, but output in 4k resolution instead of our current 2k one (1080p is practically 2k).

Anyone else worried new gen coming too quickly? I for one do not want to upgrade my system to 4k, nor my library. i am very happy w/ my home theater and have no intention of rebuying my 500+ movies in 4k. I never collected DVDs because I didnt think the quality was to my favor with CRT tvs and all, but BD+1080p LED TVs are beautiful. Maybe when *quality* 3D, high Hz 4k TVs are around $1000 for 55"+ I will get the TV but not until then. anyone know how 1080p BDs will look on a 4k TV? DVD even upscaled looks pretty bad on a 60" LCD.

You won't have to upgrade your BD or DVD library, because they will be able to play in what ever BD players and HDTV's that come out that have 4K(2160P). It is just like how all DVD movies can play in all current 1080P HDTV's and 1080P BD players. But of course for that to work that way, a 2160P(4K) hdmi cable would be needed as well. As for how 1080P BD's will look on a 2160P(4K) UHDTV, they will look great in 2160P(4K) and they will be able to play in 2160P.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Skimming the thread, I understand now. Some people want their own sandbox to meet new friends, etc.

To the OP Sean, well I guess it’s better than sitting in traffic all morning long on 285 on the way to work…more 4K threads the merrier . Pro or con.

I think most people don't venture out of the Movie threads, I have been following several of the 4K threads, but I agree this should be in the Tech threads.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

I think most people don't venture out of the Movie threads, I have been following several of the 4K threads, but I agree this should be in the Tech threads.

I would think that if the Moderators want this thread in the Tech threads, then they would have moved it to there by now. But yes, that could be a good spot for it.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

You won't have to upgrade your BD or DVD library, because they will be able to play in what ever BD players and HDTV's that come out that have 4K(2160P). It is just like how all DVD movies can play in all current 1080P HDTV's and 1080P BD players. But of course for that to work that way, a 2160P(4K) hdmi cable would be needed as well. As for how 1080P BD's will look on a 2160P(4K) UHDTV, they will look great in 2160P(4K) and they will be able to play in 2160P.

Please just say 4K, you really don't need to keep defining it.

As mentioned before, new HDMI cables aren't necessarily needed because the current 1.4 profile already supports 4K 24hz 2D signals.

And while I can personally confirm that standard Blu-rays look great on a 4K setup (previewed various BDs on a new 4K projector with a 2.35:1 black screen), it's false to state that they play in 4K: they are simply upscaled, just like DVDs are with regular 1080P setups. The 4K upscaling process is just more sophisticated and the're less of a gap between the two resolutions (x2 versus x6).

[impetus]

I know many of you already understand this, but it's worth noting to those who don't that "Mastered in 4K" as used in this new swath of double-dip Blu-Rays does not represent any new technology (though it could potentially refer to new remasters or transfers). Many other Blu-Rays have been scanned or (re)mastered at 4K without splashing it across the front of the box.

(Similarly, as we all know many DVDs have been triumphed as "mastered in high definition" over the years but that refers to the process that takes place before downsampling for the DVD format.)

Highly recommended viewing or reading for anyone who wants to learn about scanning/remastering (and I mean anyone - If you love cinema this is wonderful stuff whether novice or expert):

These Amazing Shadows: The Movies That Make America
This excellent documentary discusses film preservation and restoration in the context of the National Film Registry. The Blu-Ray also has a significant 30-minute bonus feature which makes it worth seeking out.
- Blu-Ray
- Netflix

ARTICLES
- "Blade Runner - How Great HD Is Made"
- "How Criterion Hones Its Restoration Magic for HD"
- "Off To See The Wizards: An In Depth Look at the Restoration of 'The Wizard of Oz'"

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Please just say 4K, you really don't need to keep defining it.

Yeah, i know. I'm just use to saying it that way . So i'm just saying what 4K really is. Kind of like how everyone now calls 1080P just that, 1080P, instead of 2K like what people use to call it when it first came out, if i am not mistaken.

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

As mentioned before, new HDMI cables aren't necessarily needed because the current 1.4 profile already supports 4K 24hz 2D signals.

How would i know if my hdmi cables supports 4K ? I don't see 2160P listed as one of the screen resolutions, when i change the screen resolution while watching a BD movie.

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

And while I can personally confirm that standard Blu-rays look great on a 4K setup (previewed various BDs on a new 4K projector with a 2.35:1 black screen), it's false to state that they play in 4K: they are simply upscaled, just like DVDs are with regular 1080P setups. The 4K upscaling process is just more sophisticated and the're less of a gap between the two resolutions (x2 versus x6).

Yes, that is true, but they would still play in 2160P while they are being upscaled.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

Yeah, i know. I'm just use to saying it that way . So i'm just saying what 4K really is. Kind of like how everyone now calls 1080P just that, 1080P, instead of 2K like what people use to call it when it first came out, if i am not mistaken.

1080p has almost always been universally called 1080p, especially in advertising, to contrast from 1080i TVs, which were initialy the only full HD sets available. You really don't hear much reference to 2K outside of Blu-ray transfers or professional theater exhibition (in most of the country, any digital projection you see in a cinema will be 2K).

How would i know if my hdmi cables supports 4K ? I don't see 2160P listed as one of the screen resolutions, when i change the screen resolution while watching a BD movie.

It doesn't indicate 4K because (I assume) none of your equipment is 4K compatible. It's mainly hardware (players, receivers, monitors/projectors) that list themselves as HDMI 1.4 or 4K compliant. Cables themselves mostly use the term "high speed" instead. Any brand-new cable purchased in the last 2-3 years is going to be high speed HDMI /1.4.

[Sean B.]

Here's something i thought i'd share with everyone on here, that is from that website i posted a link to earlier today.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

1080p has almost always been universally called 1080p, especially in advertising, to contrast from 1080i TVs, which were initialy the only full HD sets available. You really don't hear much reference to 2K outside of Blu-ray transfers or professional theater exhibition (in most of the country, any digital projection you see in a cinema will be 2K).

That's interesting. See at first, i thought that i remember everyone calling 1080P as 2K, but yeah i think you're probably right, that it has always only been called 1080P. Although That is not the same case for 4K(2160P), because everyone is calling it 4K for now.

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

It doesn't indicate 4K because (I assume) none of your equipment is 4K compatible. It's mainly hardware (players, receivers, monitors/projectors) that list themselves as HDMI 1.4 or 4K compliant. Cables themselves mostly use the term "high speed" instead. Any brand-new cable purchased in the last 2-3 years is going to be high speed HDMI /1.4.

Right, None of my equipment is 4K compatible. But I actually do not know though if, my hdmi cable is an HDMI 1.4 or 4K compliant though .

[xSCARFACEx]

Im curious my Taxi Driver I bought last year says it was mastered in 4K so is it 4K or the new Taxi Driver 4K is the only one?

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by xSCARFACEx

Im curious my Taxi Driver I bought last year says it was mastered in 4K so is it 4K or the new Taxi Driver 4K is the only one?

Its neither of those things actually. When it says on a BD cover of a movie that it is 'Mastered in 4K', it does not mean that it is a 4K BD. All that it really is just a bad gimmick.