4K(2160P) Blu-ray movies

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

Its neither of those things actually. When it says on a BD cover of a movie that it is 'Mastered in 4K', it does not mean that it is a 4K BD. All that it really is just a bad gimmick.

The new Taxi Driver blu-ray, is supposes to have higher bit rate and xvYCC Extended-gamut, but it's not clear how Sony is going to achieve this, as it's not supported by Blu-Ray disc standards. AVCHD is compatible with "most new Blu-ray" players and can decode xvYCC Extended-gamut, if this is what sony plans then some player won't be able to play the new Sony Mastered in 4k blu-rays, we won't know until the discs are in peoples hands, and this of course is still 1080p.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

The new Taxi Driver blu-ray, is supposes to have higher bit rate and xvYCC Extended-gamut, but it's not clear how Sony is going to achieve this, as it's not supported by Blu-Ray disc standards. AVCHD is compatible with "most new Blu-ray" players and can decode xvYCC Extended-gamut, if this is what sony plans then some player won't be able to play the new Sony Mastered in 4k blu-rays, we won't know until the discs are in peoples hands, and this of course is still 1080p.

There will probably be nothing but a marginal difference in the two Taxi Driver releases, if that.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

The new Taxi Driver blu-ray, is supposes to have higher bit rate and xvYCC Extended-gamut, but it's not clear how Sony is going to achieve this, as it's not supported by Blu-Ray disc standards. AVCHD is compatible with "most new Blu-ray" players and can decode xvYCC Extended-gamut, if this is what sony plans then some player won't be able to play the new Sony Mastered in 4k blu-rays, we won't know until the discs are in peoples hands, and this of course is still 1080p.

I have a feeling that those 'Mastered in 4K' BD movies are not going to last very long. If people realize that they are really only 1080P BD movies(which i hope they realize that), then we can expect them to be gone sometime real soon. I honestly don't think that there is a bright future for "Master in 4K" BD movies at all. What is going to be a much better BD format are the future 2160P(4K) BD movies, that will be coming out sometime within the next 1 to 2 years from now.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

What is going to be a much better BD format are the future 2160P(4K) BD movies, that will be coming out sometime within the next 1 to 2 years from now.

When the first 4k BD movie is released, I will send you an invitation to my wedding to Scarlett Johannson.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

When the first 4k BD movie is released, I will send you an invitation to my wedding to Scarlett Johannson.

You mean she told you that she was marrying you too? I'm gonna have to sit down with that girl.

[jamesdevil]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

I have a feeling that those 'Mastered in 4K' BD movies are not going to last very long. If people realize that they are really only 1080P BD movies(which i hope they realize that), then we can expect them to be gone sometime real soon. I honestly don't think that there is a bright future for "Master in 4K" BD movies at all. What is going to be a much better BD format are the future 2160P(4K) BD movies, that will be coming out sometime within the next 1 to 2 years from now.

I think it will go down exactly like Superbit.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

When the first 4k BD movie is released, I will send you an invitation to my wedding to Scarlett Johannson.

Lol .

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by jamesdevil

I think it will go down exactly like Superbit.

I assume that you mean the BD releases that are labeled as 'Mastered in 4K' that are not really 4K BD movies > https://www.blu-ray.com/search/?quic...leasetimestamp ?

[jamesdevil]

Correct. Sony's initiative this time and they were behind Superbit as well. Niche support from collectors and the 1% fringe that most of us are.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by jamesdevil

Correct. Sony's initiative this time and they were behind Superbit as well. Niche support from collectors and the 1% fringe that most of us are.

Oh, i see.

[keb33509]

It's pretty funny how you start a thread about a subject you did not completely understand at first, and now, you are preaching to others about how wrong the mastered in 4K discs are.

[keb33509]

http://m.cnet.com.au/blu-ray-set-to-...88.htm?redir=1

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by keb33509

http://m.cnet.com.au/blu-ray-set-to-...88.htm?redir=1

The BDA made similar statements in January. It looks like they'll be working on the BDXL discs that will hold 100-200 GBs and will more than likely use H.265. If they come out with actual native 4K films on this physical format within the next year I'll be stoked for sure. One thing worries me with 4K though. I know a new player, display, and HDMI cable (at least for 48fps and 3D playback) will be required, but what about receivers? Will it be possible for the 4K signal to come from a 4K player, pass through your receiver while still carrying lossless audio, and then still retain the original 4K signal when it reaches the display? I'd prefer not to have to repurchase another receiver.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by keb33509

It's pretty funny how you start a thread about a subject you did not completely understand at first, and now, you are preaching to others about how wrong the mastered in 4K discs are.

That is because i found out that the BD's labeled as 'Mastered in 4K', are really just 1080P BD's that are a gimmick.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

The BDA made similar statements in January. It looks like they'll be working on the BDXL discs that will hold 100-200 GBs and will more than likely use H.265. If they come out with actual native 4K films on this physical format within the next year I'll be stoked for sure. One thing worries me with 4K though. I know a new player, display, and HDMI cable (at least for 48fps and 3D playback) will be required, but what about receivers? Will it be possible for the 4K signal to come from a 4K player, pass through your receiver while still carrying lossless audio, and then still retain the original 4K signal when it reaches the display? I'd prefer not to have to repurchase another receiver.

For now I'm going to say no, but all the systems I have seen working use 2 HDMI cables (saw RedRay, and Sony at NAB), and these work because you send the audio stream separately to the receiver over one of the HDMI cables, the reason I say no is that the chip set in the receiver will not be compatible with the new codec (container) depending how it's flagged. The same thing happened with 3D, older receivers were not able to pass through the video signal. The better Blu-ray players have Dual HDMI, so I'm sure they will do the same thing as a stop gap for older receivers, until you are ready to upgrade.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

For now I'm going to say no, but all the systems I have seen working use 2 HDMI cables (saw RedRay, and Sony at NAB), and these work because you send the audio stream separately to the receiver over one of the HDMI cables, the reason I say no is that the chip set in the receiver will not be compatible with the new codec (container) depending how it's flagged. The same thing happened with 3D, older receivers were not able to pass through the video signal. The better Blu-ray players have Dual HDMI, so I'm sure they will do the same thing as a stop gap for older receivers, until you are ready to upgrade.

Yeah, that's what I figured. If this is indeed the case I'll definitely be waiting for a significant price drop and/or 8K displays because I just bought a new receiver a year ago.

[impetus]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

That is because i found out that the BD's labeled as 'Mastered in 4K', are really just 1080P BD's that are a gimmick.

Sort of. Scanning film or mastering in extremely high resolutions such as 4K is no gimmick, especially if digital restoration is involved. This means a higher film-to-digital accuracy (and better reference level for preserving or future-proofing the film). The higher the quality of the working materials, the better the movie will look - even at compressed sizes such as 1080p. A high-resolution image reduced to a smaller size will always look better than something imaged at that smaller size directly. The reduction can actually help by smoothing over restoration details such as scratch and dust touch-ups which may be more apparent at the native size.

However, using that "4K" number to cloud the issue and trick people into thinking they are buying 4K resolution movies or to upgrade Blu-Rays they literally already own certainly is a nasty little gimmick, and in this you are absolutely correct.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Yeah, that's what I figured. If this is indeed the case I'll definitely be waiting for a significant price drop and/or 8K displays because I just bought a new receiver a year ago.

I'm in the same boat, just upgraded my receiver this past xmas, and was planning on buying a larger screen, now everything is on hold. I don't know if I should just buy a cheap projector to tied me over until the dust settles.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

I'm in the same boat, just upgraded my receiver this past xmas, and was planning on buying a larger screen, now everything is on hold. I don't know if I should just buy a cheap projector to tied me over until the dust settles.

I have a 96" screen mounted to the wall so if I can hold out for an 4K or 8K projector in maybe 5 years or so when they are affordable.

[vläd]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I know a new player, display, and HDMI cable (at least for 48fps and 3D playback) will be required, but what about receivers? Will it be possible for the 4K signal to come from a 4K player, pass through your receiver while still carrying lossless audio, and then still retain the original 4K signal when it reaches the display? I'd prefer not to have to repurchase another receiver.

If the HDMI cable cannot accomodate the data transfer, how could a HDMI connection inside of a receiver or pre/pro be any different?