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Old 03-27-2008, 05:42 PM   #1
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I just received my DVE blu-ray from Amazon today & am having trouble using it, first off using the color filters my blue & red appear to be pretty close to what I need, but the green is WAY OFF, any suggestions? I've adjusted the tint & color but I'm not even getting close. Also is there a page that explains what exactly to adjust on each pattern? I watched the intro & they went pretty fast & not too in depth of what to adjust, seemed more like they kept talking about the specs of hd instead of telling me how to use your patterns, any help is HUGELY appreciated.
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:52 PM   #2
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I just received my DVE blu-ray from Amazon today & am having trouble using it, first off using the color filters my blue & red appear to be pretty close to what I need, but the green is WAY OFF, any suggestions? I've adjusted the tint & color but I'm not even getting close. Also is there a page that explains what exactly to adjust on each pattern? I watched the intro & they went pretty fast & not too in depth of what to adjust, seemed more like they kept talking about the specs of hd instead of telling me how to use your patterns, any help is HUGELY appreciated.
I know it sounds funny but I think my green color filter may be bad, I've tried adjusting everything!! & the green is not coming close to what it should be, & the red & blue seem just about right
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:17 PM   #3
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You are suppose to adjust the blue primarily.. then check the red and green.. when adjusting the blue the red and green should sync as well. There will be some differences with the red and green but it should be minimal.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:21 PM   #4
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Whatta you mean blue primarily? don't adjust the color, I have in coustom temp options I have R-WP, G-WP,B-WP, R-BL,G-BL...so should I only be using the b-wp, & not tint & color? thanks so much for helping
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:28 PM   #5
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For Reference here are the setting options my TV has & set model is in my signature:

Contrast
Brightness
Color
Tint
Sharpness
Color Temp--Under Custom settings R-WP, G-WP, B-WP, R-BL, G-BL
Perfect Pixel HD
Dynamic Contrast
Noise Reduction
MPEG Artifact reduction
Color Enhancement
Active Control
Light sensor
Picture Format
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Old 03-28-2008, 02:57 AM   #6
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For Reference here are the setting options my TV has & set model is in my signature:

Contrast
Brightness
Color
Tint
Sharpness
Color Temp--Under Custom settings R-WP, G-WP, B-WP, R-BL, G-BL
Perfect Pixel HD
Dynamic Contrast
Noise Reduction
MPEG Artifact reduction
Color Enhancement
Active Control
Light sensor
Picture Format

R-WP should be Red white point (or level)
G-WP should be Green white point (or level)
B-WP should be Blue white point (or level)

R-BL should be Red black level (or point )
G-BL should be Green black level (or point)
B-BL should be Blue black level (or point)

Those shouldn't be used primarily to set hue (tint) and chroma (saturation color), they are to adjust the overall color temperature (the grey scale, or tint of grey and neutrals) (all the shades of blacks, greys, whites etc)

So hoping you can reset those to default, or didn't touch them yet, what Color Temperature settings normally do is adjust for blueness (coldness) vs yellow/redness (warmth) in the picture, which you can specially see in black and white or greyscale images, and the controls are there to affect the overall tint of the pic, not the individual colors. Having tri-color adjustmen capabilityt means you can add/remove tinting in the green/magenta axis too, in fact you could tint the pic any color of the rainbow but that's not what they're there for, they are to make sure the neutral color and tones are truly grey and not off-color by letting you remove any pale tint of any color in any part (shadows, midtones and highlights) That's advanced calibration, usually done with instruments but if you really know what you're doing (like a photographer color balancing an enlargement) you could get it grey by comparing to a truly grey reference point. On colorimetry this grey reference has been chosen and specified as D65 (color temperature of 6500ºKelvin) also know as average Daylight. Other common color temperature examples: a 150 watt tungsten light bulb is near 3000ºK (yellow and warm looking), a candle is near 2000ºKelvin (yellow/orange) (warmer looking still), while a pure blue skylight (no sunlight) is about 10,000ºK (bluer and "cooler" looking) or higher.

To have an idea of D65, look at a totally overcast sky light during the day, which is a handy reference when you have no other reference. If your TV, when showing a true b/w picture, seems to have a bluish or reddish tint (or other off-colors) when the sky is overcast maybe chosing anorther overall color temp setting might bring it closer to grey.

What does that have to do with setting color and hue with the blue filter? Almost absolutely nothing! -Darth Helmet

Well it affects it indirectly, so theorethically before you adjust color and hue you should have your greyscale black and white images looking neutral D65 grey.

So again, in your case, if you can return those RGB white and RGB black points to default, and B/W movies (like maybe Good Night, And Good Luck or Jailhouse Rock) look grey, that's good and we can go to setting color and hue. If they don't look grey, goodnight, and good luck.

j/k but you'll probably will have to recalibrate them to neutral grey or find someone who knows how to get utmost accuracy.

Anyway assuming b/w looks correct neutral grey (or close to it), you should set up the color bars and look through the filters, and get the normal color bars while looking through the blue filter to be alternating blue/black/blue/black/blue/black/blue by setting the color intensity (chroma/saturation) and hue (tint/phase) controls.

Like this:



Checking then through the red filter normal color bars should look red, red, black, black, red, red, black

Checking then through the green filter normal color bars should look green, green, green, green, black, black, black.

If they don't, and black and white movies look neutral grey, then there might be a color decoding error. For example you mention the greens are off, well bright greens might mean you get astro-turf greens, instead of natural vegetation greens, bright reds might mean you have red push and people will look closer to cheetos when colors are adjusted with the blue filter, etc. In the last case, you would turn down color saturation a little so you get people looking normal.

As I see you have controls like Color Enhancement and others, I would turn all of them off before calibrating.

If the color decoder is not decoding to the standard, maybe an advanced or secret service setting or adjustment might exist to correct this but usually professional calibrators are the ones that go into those depths.

On the other hand, maybe the green filter is not strong enough as I remember I've had to stack a couple on top of each other on ocassion to get the red/magenta/blue bars to go truly black

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Old 03-29-2008, 04:19 PM   #7
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Thanks for all your help, the Kelvin stuff was a flashback to my Radio/TV courses back in college, lol, I turned off all those pixel perfect, color enhancement & etc. But I just think my green filter is off, cause I got the red, & blue looking right, I used the alt. color bars on DVE to do it, instead of the regular traditional bars. But my picture looks pretty good, I don't think it can really get too much better. My family is playing the Wii so later I'll post here what I have my settings at.
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Old 03-29-2008, 04:34 PM   #8
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Thanks for posting that... my copy of DVE is coming Monday and all that will help I'm sure. I am trying to avoid paying for professional calibration, so again very helpful.
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Old 03-29-2008, 08:01 PM   #9
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Whoa whoa whoa. I just popped mine in - and it looks like ALL the audio is in Dolby TrueHD! You've got to be kidding! I don't have anything that will decode that. And I am WAY too much of a novice when it comes to calibration to figure out what to do without the audio explaining it along the way. That's why I brought this. Crap, crap, crap! Now I'm going to have to wait to calibrate it until June when I am planning on getting a new receiver.

I can't believe they didn't include a DD 5.1!
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Old 03-29-2008, 09:34 PM   #10
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Never mind. I had accidently hit a setting on my receiver so it wasn't taking the 5.1 audio and defaulted to TrueHD. I noticed it when I tried to play a DVD for my kids - funny thing - it didn't have any sounds either.....

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Old 03-29-2008, 10:50 PM   #11
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dude not cool, i can't decode the truehd either and i
JUST ordered mine
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Old 03-29-2008, 11:27 PM   #12
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Dolby TrueHD contains a DD 5.1 core track that will decode on any BD player
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Old 03-29-2008, 11:55 PM   #13
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bought mine at hastings today.

Apparently I had already set up my video damn near perfect as I didn't have to make but a slight adjustment here and there. I've had my Sony 60A3000 for a while and I've basically found the settings listed on avsforums until I found one I felt was best. Well, apparently is was right as I said, I didn't change anything.

Now, I'm still awaiting to finish my sound system so possibly the audio will help me more. But right now, it's $19 that I didn't need to spend.

Not blaming the DVD disc, it's my own fault I have spent so much time trying to tweak all the settings since I got my tv on Sept 1st, 2007.
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Old 03-30-2008, 01:04 AM   #14
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Dolby TrueHD contains a DD 5.1 core track that will decode on any BD player
That's very interesting. Thanks, I didn't know that. Makes sense how I now get the DD 5.1 even though TrueHD is the only audio format listed.
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Old 03-30-2008, 06:52 PM   #15
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I wonder why flashing color bars, as in the AVS HD 709 calibration disk, were not included in the DVE disk to help adjust the tint. I just thought it was a quick way to adjust the tint.
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Not blaming the DVD disc, it's my own fault I have spent so much time trying to tweak all the settings since I got my tv on Sept 1st, 2007.
well, now that you have the disc, you can go over to family members or friends house and adjust the TV for them as well...so its not a complete waste of money for you.
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:09 PM   #17
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I just got DVE Blu-Ray and the original one today. If I have a 1080p tv should I even bother with the original? I thought I read somewhere that you should use both but then again I'm still pretty dull when it comes to all this.
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You may find the original very difficult to use if you're a novice. But if you have an upconverting DVD player you should use it in there, and the BD on your BD input
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answering the OP, the color decoder in your television is probably the culprit for green not matching when you set the color using the blue filter. Short of a full scale ISF calibration(some decoders can be adjusted by professionals in the service menu) there is probably not much you can do about it. If the colors look okay after using DVE just enjoy it, it should be much closer than the default settings.

livedinhell: you can use the original in a standard dvd player if you have one connected to your tv on a separate input from your BD player. That is what I did with my tv. I have a denon dvd player connected via component to 1 input, and my samsung BD player connected via HDMI to another input. My tv lets me use different picture settings for each input, lets me calibrate for each device/input.

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Thats what i figured... I just use my PS3 for a BD and DVD player. I thought the original one was for HD cable or just regular cable and that kind of stuff. Basicialy I thought it was the inital for normal HDTV use and the BD was to fine tune it for BD movies. I rather have good quality on my BD's and HD games than on regular cable so I'll stick with the BD version and give away the regular one to someone that doesnt have an HD or BD player
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