Onkyo 818 vs Onkyo 3010

[v_squared123]

Can someone confirm if the Onkyo 818 shares the same video chip as the Onkyo 3010? The HQV Vida is the one in question. Amazon.com lists them both as having the same chip for 1080p duty but the Onkyo website lists the 818 as having the Qdeo chip for 1080p and 4k duty....

I've already emailed Onkyo support and left a question in the Onkyo support forum but also wanted to check here and see if someone could verify this for me. I'm getting impatient searching the web for good receiver reviews lol i just want to buy my new receiver already!

[bobbydrugar]

Onkyo's web site states that the 818 uses the HQV for upscalling sources to 1080P for standard def sources and the Marvel Qdeo for upscalling 1080P sources to 4K. That is the same as what is listed for the 3010.

Hope that helps
T

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

Onkyo's web site states that the 818 uses the HQV for upscalling sources to 1080P for standard def sources and the Marvel Qdeo for upscalling 1080P sources to 4K. That is the same as what is listed for the 3010.

Hope that helps
T

Alright well I want to know if that means they perform identically because I can find reviews of the 3010 but not the 818 and the 3010 does really well with its video processing. I only plan on using it to clean up my cable box as everything else would be set as pass through

[bobbydrugar]

Really? a quick google search turned up several 818 reviews including This one. Just google search onkyo 818 review. Its a very popular model from a very large manufacture. I would say that on specs alone it is better at scalling then my older onkyo 5008 which I would put up against my oppo bd93 (the oppo is reputed to be one of the best upscallers you can get in a consumer grade device). So I would say that either one would be a very good performer.

However you should curb your expectations by quite a bit. A Video upscaller is still just an upscaller. If the source is bad it will still look bad after the upscale. Its not going to be a night and day (DVD vs Blu-ray) Difference. at best it may clean up the picture a bit.

Hope that helps
T

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

Really? a quick google search turned up several 818 reviews including This one. Just google search onkyo 818 review. Its a very popular model from a very large manufacture. I would say that on specs alone it is better at scalling then my older onkyo 5008 which I would put up against my oppo bd93 (the oppo is reputed to be one of the best upscallers you can get in a consumer grade device). So I would say that either one would be a very good performer.

However you should curb your expectations by quite a bit. A Video upscaller is still just an upscaller. If the source is bad it will still look bad after the upscale. Its not going to be a night and day (DVD vs Blu-ray) Difference. at best it may clean up the picture a bit.

Hope that helps
T

Hey Bobby, that was an interesting review. I have googled the 818 and haven't pulled up any thorough reviews and by thorough I mean where the reviewer would use a calibration disc to figure out how well the video chip performs. Just like audioholics and hometheater.com. Most reviews I have seen of receivers and the 818 simply have a sentence or two about it being great or decent with no real data on its performance. I kinda need something more than "video scaler was great. BD looks great!" lol Thanks anyways though man, i appreciate the help!

Update:

I found this review. They list the processing as Excellent but dont really give any information on what areas were "excellent"

[v_squared123]

Real question: Would you buy the Onkyo 818 or the Denon 3313?

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

Onkyo's web site states that the 818 uses the HQV for upscalling sources to 1080P for standard def sources and the Marvel Qdeo for upscalling 1080P sources to 4K. That is the same as what is listed for the 3010.

Hope that helps
T

Hey bobby

I went back to the website looking for something and found what I was talking about it earlier

Onkyo 818:

1080p Upscaling ✓ (Marvell Qdeo)
4K (up to 4096 x 2160) Upscaling ✓ (Marvell Qdeo)

http://us.onkyo.com/Products/model.p...urce=prodClass

And Amazon

"An HQV® Vida™ VHD1900 processor upscales content to 1080p, with Qdeo™ technology taking full HD out to an eye-popping 4K."

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR818.../dp/B007JOO4XE


Gots me confused man Do I believe the official site or the third party seller?

[bobbydrugar]

In this case both amazon and the detailed overview page on onkyos website are correct. the summarized features checkbox list on onkyos web site is wrong. probably only one field in the database for video upscaller and they simply selected the more marketable one (the qdeo) for that list. but it is the hqv vida for upscalling to 1080P and the qdeo for upscalling up to 4K

hope that helps
T

[Nick The Slick]

I think you're putting too much emphasis on video processing, seriously. You should be looking at audio quality way more when looking at a receiver. The 818 is an excellent choice. The XT32 calibration is worth it alone, and you're not going to find that on any receiver at the price you can get it for. I don't know what all you'll use in your HT but all I ever use is HD sources, so up scaling is useless in that case really (especially 4k up scaling since a 4k display would cost as much as a used car lol).

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Nick The Slick

I think you're putting too much emphasis on video processing, seriously. You should be looking at audio quality way more when looking at a receiver. The 818 is an excellent choice. The XT32 calibration is worth it alone, and you're not going to find that on any receiver at the price you can get it for. I don't know what all you'll use in your HT but all I ever use is HD sources, so up scaling is useless in that case really (especially 4k up scaling since a 4k display would cost as much as a used car lol).

Per the Onkyo HK, which shows Onkyo TX-NR828 EUEX PDF spec sheet (click on image), the successor to the 818 is just MultiEQ.

Its possible that the America's version will be different from EU version, but that wasn't the case last year.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Per the Onkyo HK, which shows Onkyo TX-NR828 EUEX PDF spec sheet (click on image), the successor to the 818 is just MultiEQ.

Its possible that the America's version will be different from EU version, but that wasn't the case last year.

I would stay away from the 818, it has faulty 24p video processing causing a skip in the video every so often. Check out the 818 thread on the AVS forum for more details.

[Nick The Slick]

Originally Posted by cembros

I would stay away from the 818, it has faulty 24p video processing causing a skip in the video every so often. Check out the 818 thread on the AVS forum for more details.

This was fixed with a recent firmware update. I updated mine after experiencing the skipping and haven't noticed it since.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Nick The Slick

This was fixed with a recent firmware update. I updated mine after experiencing the skipping and haven't noticed it since.

Wow, I did not expect them to ever issue a fix. That's awesome. I was seriously considering this receiver a few months ago when it was priced around 650.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by cembros

I would stay away from the 818, it has faulty 24p video processing causing a skip in the video every so often. Check out the 818 thread on the AVS forum for more details.

You noticed I was commenting on the 828.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You noticed I was commenting on the 828.

I actually didn't mean to quote you. Sorry about that.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by cembros

Wow, I did not expect them to ever issue a fix. That's awesome. I was seriously considering this receiver a few months ago when it was priced around 650.

If you call up One Call directly you can get a brand new one shipped for $699.95 or the TX-NR1010 shipped for $999.95

I just got the 818 to replace my 805, really desperate for more HDMI inputs as I was limited to only 3 and wanted one with 3D so I can take off the separate cable I'm using to my TV right now dangling off the side.

Wish I could have afforded the 1010 but I'm happy with what I'm getting at that price.

Originally Posted by v_squared123

Real question: Would you buy the Onkyo 818 or the Denon 3313?

I went with the 818 because the 3313 won't handle DSD natively, always adds a PCM conversion. I would have liked the Denon 4311CI which DOES handle DSD natively, but the cheapest I could get one new was $1300. Just can't budget that right now.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

If you call up One Call directly you can get a brand new one shipped for $699.95 or the TX-NR1010 shipped for $999.95

I just got the 818 to replace my 805, really desperate for more HDMI inputs as I was limited to only 3 and wanted one with 3D so I can take off the separate cable I'm using to my TV right now dangling off the side.

Wish I could have afforded the 1010 but I'm happy with what I'm getting at that price.



I went with the 818 because the 3313 won't handle DSD natively, always adds a PCM conversion. I would have liked the Denon 4311CI which DOES handle DSD natively, but the cheapest I could get one new was $1300. Just can't budget that right now.

I know the 818 has XT32 but it dosen't have sub eq right? I have 2 subs and this is a big selling point for me. I think I may go with the new Denon AVR-X4000, looks to have just about everything I'm looking for.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by cembros

I know the 818 has XT32 but it dosen't have sub eq right? I have 2 subs and this is a big selling point for me. I think I may go with the new Denon AVR-X4000, looks to have just about everything I'm looking for.

That's correct, you have to move up to the TX-NR1010 to get the Sub EQ HT.

The Denon 4311CI also has Sub EQ HT, $1315 shipped new from One Call.

http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Page...i%28denonna%29

That's the one I really wanted, just don't have money right now.

Incidentally, the price on the 1010 from One Call new is $800 cheaper than everyone else is selling it for.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

That's correct, you have to move up to the TX-NR1010 to get the Sub EQ HT.

The Denon 4311CI also has Sub EQ HT, $1315 shipped new from One Call.

http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Page...i%28denonna%29

That's the one I really wanted, just don't have money right now.

Incidentally, the price on the 1010 from One Call new is $800 cheaper than everyone else is selling it for.

Yeah but the biggest problem with the 4311CI is the lack of GUI / graphics overlay on a 3D or 4K video, so in that aspect its a bit dated. Plus there is no comment about a PCM conversion against DSD over HDMI like the 3312/3313 with a x4000. Yes without SubEQ, which allows the x4000 to independently calibrate two subwoofers, the 818 is at a disadvantage. BTW locally they were clearing out the TX-NR1010's at Fry's for $1000 last year, interesting that One Call still has them for same price.

[sonic_debauchery]

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