Who was the better villain? Loki or The Joker? - Blu-ray Forum

Mr.Marvel · 10-15-2013, 04:41 AM

Loki

I vote for Loki.

This ridiculous amount of praise for Ledger's performance is annoying. I honestly believe that it exists because he died and also because people like riding bandwagons. Ledger's joker wasn't even much of a Joker he was just a generic bad guy who happened to wear clown's makeup. Aside from the bit with the pencil, he made no jokes...which is bad because he's supposed to be the Joker. If you took away the weird voice, lip licking, and sloppy makeup, he would have received little to no praise for the performance. 90% of the performance was aesthetics.

Batman1980 · 10-15-2013, 04:42 AM

Joker is a far better villain than the ice lord Loki, although in the comics Loki is a lot more powerful than he's shown to be so far in the Avengers films.

Mandalorian · 10-15-2013, 04:46 AM

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90% of the performance was aesthetics.

Visco. · 10-15-2013, 04:47 AM

In almost every way the Joker and Loki is one of the worst Marvel villains.

frogmort · 10-15-2013, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Visco.

In almost every way the Joker and Loki is one of the worst Marvel villains.

If that was actually correct, it would've been "are".

Mandalorian · 10-15-2013, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Visco.

In almost every way the Joker and Loki is one of the worst Marvel villains.

In Thor he was very well acted and written, in a Shakespearean manner that Kenneth Branagh was perfect for. If you didn't feel any sort of emotion for his character, at least near the end, then so be it, but he was far from bad. On the other hand, I'd give you that for The Avengers, but then again, if someone is judging his character by that film alone then the judge is doing him a disservice. That was the culmination of years of playing the second fiddle.

srkbeno.1 · 10-15-2013, 04:53 AM

lmao.. no comparison to one of the finest performances of all time.. The Joker

Visco. · 10-15-2013, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ Smoove

In Thor he was very well acted and written, in a Shakespearean manner that Kenneth Branagh was perfect for. If you didn't feel any sort of emotion for his character, at least near the end, then so be it, but he was far from bad. On the other hand, I'd give you that for The Avengers, but then again, if someone is judging his character by that film alone then the judge is doing him a disservice. That was the culmination of years of playing the second fiddle.

I didn't even think about Thor. Thor is my favorite of the phase one movies, too which doesn't really help. Touché.

Heath Ledger was incredible as the joker. I don't necessarily think he deserved the Oscar but I understand. Still better thank Loki though.

Mr.Marvel · 10-15-2013, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Joker is a far better villain than the ice lord Loki, although in the comics Loki is a lot more powerful than he's shown to be so far in the Avengers films.

Loki was more intimidating than the Joker.

Mandalorian · 10-15-2013, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Marvel

Loki was more intimidating than the Joker.

Anything else?

HotRats · 10-15-2013, 07:22 AM

Ledger's Joker was huge and controversial leap from Nicholson's, he didn't bother with an accurate origin and redefined the character as a nihilist/anomist. Ledger's protrayal is superb, look at his hunched posture and the way he moves his mouth. Loki is simply a severe case of sibling rivalry with extra-terrestrial powers and there's not really a lot any actor can do with that.

The Great Owl · 10-15-2013, 12:40 PM

I've grown weary of Christopher Nolan's Batman films, but I'm still in awe of Heath Ledger's performance as The Joker. He owned that movie.

I like The Avengers better than I like any of the Dark Knight films, but Loki was the weaker villain. I believe that Tom Hiddleston was impressive, and I believe that he did everything he could to squeeze juice from the role of Loki, but the character was underwritten.

Roonan · 10-15-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Marvel

This ridiculous amount of praise for Ledger's performance is annoying.

One could say the same about Hiddleston. The difference is that Ledger actually had a well written character and gave a great performance.

The Dragon · 10-15-2013, 04:22 PM

Jasonic · 10-15-2013, 06:42 PM

LOL, the OP is the definition of a Marvel fanboy.

Themyscira · 10-16-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dragon

Dispatch Ninja · 10-16-2013, 08:20 AM

Loki vs. Joker?

blu-razor · 10-16-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UnknownBesideArch

Apples and oranges. The Dark Knight was a darker, more dramatic take on the superhero genre, whereas Thor and The Avengers were fun crowd-pleasing action movies. So Ledger's take on Mr J had to be menacing enough to fit Nolan's vision for the film, while Loki needed to be a lot more audience-friendly. They're two completely different styles of superhero movies/villains; it's like comparing Watchmen with The Incredibles.

Anyway, I voted for Joker, because he was (by necessity) more Villainous. But I'm not really sure it's fair to compare the two at all.

Well played

Nerdkiller likes BD · 10-16-2013, 11:08 AM

Jim Carrey played a better Loki in The Mask than Tom Whatshisname in the Marvel movies.

thrillmygorilla · 10-16-2013, 02:27 PM

The Joker. haha hhAHAHHAH HH AHAH HHhaahah haha

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10-15-2013, 04:41 AM	#1
Mr.Marvel Banned Member since:Feb 2013	Who was the better villain? Loki or The Joker? Loki I vote for Loki. This ridiculous amount of praise for Ledger's performance is annoying. I honestly believe that it exists because he died and also because people like riding bandwagons. Ledger's joker wasn't even much of a Joker he was just a generic bad guy who happened to wear clown's makeup. Aside from the bit with the pencil, he made no jokes...which is bad because he's supposed to be the Joker. If you took away the weird voice, lip licking, and sloppy makeup, he would have received little to no praise for the performance. 90% of the performance was aesthetics. Last edited by Mr.Marvel; 10-15-2013 at 04:55 AM.

10-15-2013, 04:42 AM	#2
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	Joker is a far better villain than the ice lord Loki, although in the comics Loki is a lot more powerful than he's shown to be so far in the Avengers films.

10-15-2013, 04:47 AM	#4
Visco. Blu-ray Knight Member since:Oct 2012 Location:Columbus, Ohio Blu-ray collection:662 DVD collection:24 Prime collection:1 Trading Score:36	In almost every way the Joker and Loki is one of the worst Marvel villains.

10-15-2013, 04:53 AM	#7
srkbeno.1 Expert Member Member since:Oct 2009 Blu-ray reviews:3	lmao.. no comparison to one of the finest performances of all time.. The Joker

10-15-2013, 07:22 AM	#11
HotRats Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2009	Ledger's Joker was huge and controversial leap from Nicholson's, he didn't bother with an accurate origin and redefined the character as a nihilist/anomist. Ledger's protrayal is superb, look at his hunched posture and the way he moves his mouth. Loki is simply a severe case of sibling rivalry with extra-terrestrial powers and there's not really a lot any actor can do with that.

10-15-2013, 12:40 PM	#12
The Great Owl Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Georgia 4K collection:921 Blu-ray collection:6031 DVD collection:28 Blu-ray reviews: 255 Trading Score:6	I've grown weary of Christopher Nolan's Batman films, but I'm still in awe of Heath Ledger's performance as The Joker. He owned that movie. I like The Avengers better than I like any of the Dark Knight films, but Loki was the weaker villain. I believe that Tom Hiddleston was impressive, and I believe that he did everything he could to squeeze juice from the role of Loki, but the character was underwritten.

10-15-2013, 04:22 PM	#14
The Dragon Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2009 Home Theater Gallery:93 4K collection:264 Blu-ray collection:1895 DVD collection:471 Blu-ray reviews: 2

10-15-2013, 06:42 PM	#15
Jasonic Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Utah 4K collection:47 Blu-ray collection:876 Trading Score:115	LOL, the OP is the definition of a Marvel fanboy.

10-16-2013, 08:20 AM	#17
Dispatch Ninja Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2012 Location:Texas Blu-ray collection:9 Trading Score:129	Loki vs. Joker?

10-16-2013, 11:08 AM	#19
Nerdkiller likes BD Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Wrestling in Ireland. PSNetwork: Nerdkiller316PSN Nerds beaten up: Loads 4K collection:75 Blu-ray collection:880 Trading Score:1	Jim Carrey played a better Loki in The Mask than Tom Whatshisname in the Marvel movies.

10-16-2013, 02:27 PM	#20
thrillmygorilla Blu-ray Guru Member since:Aug 2012 Location:Dayton, OH Blu-ray collection:390 DVD collection:59 Trading Score:24	The Joker. haha hhAHAHHAH HH AHAH HHhaahah haha

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