Blu-ray Newbie - Blu-ray Forum

scj6771 · 04-30-2007, 05:00 PM

I appologize for the lack of knowledge on my part but I was thinking of choosing Blu-Ray over HD-DVD and wanted to know what type of TV would work best. (Plasma, LCD, Projection.... etc) and why?

I was thinking of picking up the PS3 and purchasing a new television, I do some serious gaming (primaraly on my desktop) but do have a 360 that I use as well, however I still do most of my console gaming on my PS2. This television would be used for heavy gaming and movies.

I do own a nice Samsung 1080i capable, whatever that means? TV.

Where could I find some good articles on the differences between all the different types of televisions?

Thanks for your time and patience.

stockstar1138 · 04-30-2007, 05:06 PM

Blu-ray over HD DVD is a very smart choice. Looks like you already know what you are talking about there.

I know this sounds weird, but I used wikipedia a lot. I had no idea what I was looking at in specs lists on bestbuy,circuitcity,etc. looked up things such as HDMI, 1080i vs. 1080p, contrast ratio, response time, LCD, Plasma on wiki, all the TV info you could want. Then I went back to my shopping and everything made a lot more sense.

I would reccomend a 1080p for blu-ray and make sure the TV has HDMI. Also, for gaming make sure the TV has a great response ratio, otherwise your going to get blurring. Smaller is better, look for 6ms (milliseconds)

TheOmegaSoldier · 04-30-2007, 05:11 PM

Getting a PS3 would be a smart choice.

I too am a major 360 guy, but playing my blu-rays on my ps3 is like...high def heaven.

helli3yte · 04-30-2007, 10:15 PM

go with a rear projection tv. never get a plasma because those cant ever be fixed, i dont really like lcd's but they are better than plasma. like i said go with a rear projection tv. youll never fail.

here is my tv that im talking about.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1138084693851

scj6771 · 05-01-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

go with a rear projection tv.

Is rear projection the way to go for gaming and Blu-ray?

And thanks all for your good input and fast response, I will continue to research and get back to you all.

Filterlab · 05-01-2007, 01:47 PM

I've heard that rear projector's are not to be used with gaming as the projector unit can be damaged.

However, some say RP, some say LCD and some say Plasma.

I say Plasma personally as the contrast levels are far better and motion is quicker - ideal for gaming, although there is a potential for burn in. Saying that it's not such a problem these days. I'm not quite sure why helli3yte says Plasma's can never be fixed and are worse than LCD, but I personally tend to give pros and cons for my reasoning.

At the end of the day, compare TVs in your price range and have a go on all of them.

Matt X · 05-01-2007, 01:57 PM

...i've heard plasma was also a bad idea, subject to "burn-in" from static images (which can be more prevalent in games) - I have a rear projection TV, and have no problems, pq is great - I dunno about shorter lifespan using game consoles (go PS3, you won't regret it), as my Sony 50" LCD RPTV is working just fine. But then, I think alot of these supposed problems that people caution about re: game consoles & displays came from older-generation models. Recent claims for both Plasma and RPTV state that advances in technology have largely solved many of these issues.

Frode · 05-01-2007, 02:49 PM

Try before you buy in this case. For some people plasma is the right choice, for others RP or LCD front panel. Personally I can't deal with hot spotting and lack of uniform brightness for RP sets, and the motion dithering of plasmas drives me nuts, so for me LCD it is. Those issues may not be as important for you however, and the advantages they provide may offset those disadvantages.

jermwhl · 05-01-2007, 03:18 PM

THe TV arguments could go forever! haha!
I have plasma. Subject to burn-in, however has been overexatterated over the years! I have no problems with mine. However, if you pause your games alot and leave the tv on, plamsa or rear projection would not be a good idea. (i'm sure that will be agrued!)
LCD is great for gamers, becuase of the lack of burn in issues, however LCD has a lower contrast ratio than plasmas, although this has gotten alot better in your higher end LCD's! (i'm sure that will be argued!)
Rear projections has bulbs that can burn out and need replacement, around $300 i've heard. But are user replaceable (i'm sure that will be agrued!)

And then there's the old reliable CRT's!........ha! I'm not going there!

PS3 good.
Blu-ray good.
TV...in the end...do some research (here and other places..like google)and go with your gut feeling. There will ALWAYS be a better TV somewhere, you have to go with what you want. Major features to look for: HDMI (at least 2 ports), 1080P preferably, 1080i is ok also. contrast ratio of at least
7000:1 <----preference
Try this link. It's pretty informative about the different technologies available:
http://bestbuy-cnet.com.com/4352-12658_7-6544368.html

scj6771 · 05-01-2007, 04:52 PM

Is this statement true?

Quote:

DVDs look better on 720p TVs than on 1080 TVs because the image doesn't need to stretch as much.

As of now I am leaning towards Plasma or LCD, of course that could still change, but am I correct when I say find the TV with the highest contrast ratio and the lowest response time? Thanks all.

helli3yte · 05-01-2007, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filterlab

I've heard that rear projector's are not to be used with gaming as the projector unit can be damaged.

However, some say RP, some say LCD and some say Plasma.

I say Plasma personally as the contrast levels are far better and motion is quicker - ideal for gaming, although there is a potential for burn in. Saying that it's not such a problem these days. I'm not quite sure why helli3yte says Plasma's can never be fixed and are worse than LCD, but I personally tend to give pros and cons for my reasoning.

At the end of the day, compare TVs in your price range and have a go on all of them.

im dead serious when i say a plasma can never be fixed. once your plasma doesnt show color again or wont turn on. you my friend have a very big paper weight instead so i guess the trade off is good then.

go ask anyone that knows their stuff about tv's and ask. why do you think plasmas have a "life span" . cuz once that goes or something else happens the tv is done for, "kaput", "sayonara" , "dead and gone", etc.

Blu Tiger · 05-01-2007, 05:23 PM

I'm a gamer first, and movie/anime watcher second and I have a plasma. If you're buying a newer plasma, then screen burn isn't really an issue. A lot of sets have pixel rotating technology. My set even has a game mode. I think set are only susceptible to burn within the first 200 hours of use.

Filterlab · 05-01-2007, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helli3yte

im dead serious when i say a plasma can never be fixed. once your plasma doesnt show color again or wont turn on. you my friend have a very big paper weight instead so i guess the trade off is good then.

go ask anyone that knows their stuff about tv's and ask. why do you think plasmas have a "life span" . cuz once that goes or something else happens the tv is done for, "kaput", "sayonara" , "dead and gone", etc.

Mmmm, 60,000 hours according to Panasonic. Am I likely to exceed that? Nope, because I change my TV every four years.

Since 60,000 hours in four years boils down to an impossible 41.5 hours a day viewing do I really have a problem? Even over twenty years that's still 8 hours viewing a day.

Specifically, for what reason would my Plasma TV decide not to show colour ot turn on? Also, does that mean that LCD TVs are exempt from technical failure?

Frode · 05-01-2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scj6771

Is this statement true?

Quote:

DVDs look better on 720p TVs than on 1080 TVs because the image doesn't need to stretch as much.

No it's not true. How good DVDs look on a higher resolution screen is entirely dependent on the quality of the scaler used. There are 1080p TVs with bad scalers and ones with good scalers - the same goes for 720p. The resolution itself doesn't directly affect the scaling quality. You can also bypass the issue entirely by using a (good) scaling DVD player, or outboard scaler.

Frode · 05-01-2007, 06:15 PM

Got a link to the 60k hour panny? That sounds like a rather extreme number for a TV and most electronics devices don't have that kind of durability due to a lower combined MTBF (mean time between failure) of the components used in the design. Unless they actually have a 60k hour warranty to back up their words that sounds like a rather unrealistic claim.

scj6771 · 06-13-2007, 03:52 PM

Hey im back and I have a Plasma that I wanted you all to comment on, it's a Pioneer PDP5016HD 50 in Plasma HDTV,

http://shopper.cnet.com/flat-panel-a...ShoppingView=1

Any thoughts? As usual, thanks.

monkyman · 06-13-2007, 04:13 PM

I would also check how many HDMI connectors are on the back of the TV, chances are unless your running all your HDMI cables through a reciever first, you will want more than one input.

The TV you are looking at does not have 1080p if that matters to you, the PS3 you are getting supports 1080P. I've noticed a lot of plasma sets are not 1080P.

Frode · 06-13-2007, 04:47 PM

There are 1080P plasmas, but they tend to cost two arms and three legs (bring a friend).

04-30-2007, 05:00 PM	#1
scj6771 New Member Member since:Apr 2007	Blu-ray Newbie I appologize for the lack of knowledge on my part but I was thinking of choosing Blu-Ray over HD-DVD and wanted to know what type of TV would work best. (Plasma, LCD, Projection.... etc) and why? I was thinking of picking up the PS3 and purchasing a new television, I do some serious gaming (primaraly on my desktop) but do have a 360 that I use as well, however I still do most of my console gaming on my PS2. This television would be used for heavy gaming and movies. I do own a nice Samsung 1080i capable, whatever that means? TV. Where could I find some good articles on the differences between all the different types of televisions? Thanks for your time and patience.

04-30-2007, 05:06 PM	#2
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	Blu-ray over HD DVD is a very smart choice. Looks like you already know what you are talking about there. I know this sounds weird, but I used wikipedia a lot. I had no idea what I was looking at in specs lists on bestbuy,circuitcity,etc. looked up things such as HDMI, 1080i vs. 1080p, contrast ratio, response time, LCD, Plasma on wiki, all the TV info you could want. Then I went back to my shopping and everything made a lot more sense. I would reccomend a 1080p for blu-ray and make sure the TV has HDMI. Also, for gaming make sure the TV has a great response ratio, otherwise your going to get blurring. Smaller is better, look for 6ms (milliseconds) Last edited by stockstar1138; 04-30-2007 at 05:07 PM. Reason: Added Info

05-01-2007, 01:47 PM	#6
Filterlab Senior Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:East Molesey, Surrey, UK	I've heard that rear projector's are not to be used with gaming as the projector unit can be damaged. However, some say RP, some say LCD and some say Plasma. I say Plasma personally as the contrast levels are far better and motion is quicker - ideal for gaming, although there is a potential for burn in. Saying that it's not such a problem these days. I'm not quite sure why helli3yte says Plasma's can never be fixed and are worse than LCD, but I personally tend to give pros and cons for my reasoning. At the end of the day, compare TVs in your price range and have a go on all of them. Last edited by Filterlab; 05-01-2007 at 01:53 PM.

06-13-2007, 04:13 PM	#17
monkyman Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	I would also check how many HDMI connectors are on the back of the TV, chances are unless your running all your HDMI cables through a reciever first, you will want more than one input. The TV you are looking at does not have 1080p if that matters to you, the PS3 you are getting supports 1080P. I've noticed a lot of plasma sets are not 1080P. Last edited by monkyman; 06-13-2007 at 04:24 PM.

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04-30-2007, 05:11 PM	#3
TheOmegaSoldier Member Member since:Apr 2007	Getting a PS3 would be a smart choice. I too am a major 360 guy, but playing my blu-rays on my ps3 is like...high def heaven.

04-30-2007, 10:15 PM	#4
helli3yte Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Mt.Prospect, IL	go with a rear projection tv. never get a plasma because those cant ever be fixed, i dont really like lcd's but they are better than plasma. like i said go with a rear projection tv. youll never fail. here is my tv that im talking about. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1138084693851

05-01-2007, 01:57 PM	#7
Matt X Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	...i've heard plasma was also a bad idea, subject to "burn-in" from static images (which can be more prevalent in games) - I have a rear projection TV, and have no problems, pq is great - I dunno about shorter lifespan using game consoles (go PS3, you won't regret it), as my Sony 50" LCD RPTV is working just fine. But then, I think alot of these supposed problems that people caution about re: game consoles & displays came from older-generation models. Recent claims for both Plasma and RPTV state that advances in technology have largely solved many of these issues.

05-01-2007, 02:49 PM	#8
Frode Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	Try before you buy in this case. For some people plasma is the right choice, for others RP or LCD front panel. Personally I can't deal with hot spotting and lack of uniform brightness for RP sets, and the motion dithering of plasmas drives me nuts, so for me LCD it is. Those issues may not be as important for you however, and the advantages they provide may offset those disadvantages.

05-01-2007, 03:18 PM	#9
jermwhl Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Virginia	THe TV arguments could go forever! haha! I have plasma. Subject to burn-in, however has been overexatterated over the years! I have no problems with mine. However, if you pause your games alot and leave the tv on, plamsa or rear projection would not be a good idea. (i'm sure that will be agrued!) LCD is great for gamers, becuase of the lack of burn in issues, however LCD has a lower contrast ratio than plasmas, although this has gotten alot better in your higher end LCD's! (i'm sure that will be argued!) Rear projections has bulbs that can burn out and need replacement, around $300 i've heard. But are user replaceable (i'm sure that will be agrued!) And then there's the old reliable CRT's!........ha! I'm not going there! PS3 good. Blu-ray good. TV...in the end...do some research (here and other places..like google)and go with your gut feeling. There will ALWAYS be a better TV somewhere, you have to go with what you want. Major features to look for: HDMI (at least 2 ports), 1080P preferably, 1080i is ok also. contrast ratio of at least 7000:1 <----preference Try this link. It's pretty informative about the different technologies available: http://bestbuy-cnet.com.com/4352-12658_7-6544368.html

05-01-2007, 05:23 PM	#12
Blu Tiger Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Denver, CO Blu-ray collection:725 Trading Score:27	I'm a gamer first, and movie/anime watcher second and I have a plasma. If you're buying a newer plasma, then screen burn isn't really an issue. A lot of sets have pixel rotating technology. My set even has a game mode. I think set are only susceptible to burn within the first 200 hours of use.

05-01-2007, 06:15 PM	#15
Frode Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	Got a link to the 60k hour panny? That sounds like a rather extreme number for a TV and most electronics devices don't have that kind of durability due to a lower combined MTBF (mean time between failure) of the components used in the design. Unless they actually have a 60k hour warranty to back up their words that sounds like a rather unrealistic claim.

06-13-2007, 03:52 PM	#16
scj6771 New Member Member since:Apr 2007	Hey im back and I have a Plasma that I wanted you all to comment on, it's a Pioneer PDP5016HD 50 in Plasma HDTV, http://shopper.cnet.com/flat-panel-a...ShoppingView=1 Any thoughts? As usual, thanks.

06-13-2007, 04:47 PM	#18
Frode Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	There are 1080P plasmas, but they tend to cost two arms and three legs (bring a friend).

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