Pain & Gain (2013) - Page 19 - Blu-ray Forum

E5CAP3 ART15T · 01-12-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz201

My understanding was that people were offended by the treatment of the victim, Victor Kershaw, with the film apparently strongly arguing he "deserves" it (with some stuff being altered to play that up) and the way in which it trivialized their assault and kidnap of who was essentially an innocent man, rather than the fact it follows the bad guys...

Although I have heard some complaints about a shot directed upskirt of a dead woman...

Well I would say the part of the main characters you admire is that they are "Do-ers". Then Daniel Lugo justifies his reason for going after Kershaw by saying "Victor Kershaw is a criminal prick, who deserves bad stuff to happen to him!" At this point you're sort of with them because it's just interesting until they try to kill him. At that point you're not sure if you should keep rooting for them and then they "accidently" kill the porn guy and his wife and chop their bodies up. At that point you realize these guys were real and only a psycho would do that and by then you're rooting for Ed Harris' character to catch these guys. So as a film, yes I do think it works because its entertaining on many levels even when it's mostly a true story.

Comparing with Wolf of Wall Street (yes, I know there really is no comparison), but they both showcase bad guys trying to justify why they do what they do. They're not glorifying criminals but its the viewers choice to believe what they want. Of course people think Bay is sleazy and that he condones what they did... blah blah blah. He knew the story could translate well onto screen and I personally think it did. That being said, when it shows the real photos at the end of the crime scene and bodies in barrels it does kind of make you sick to your stomach.

Buzz201 · 01-12-2014, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by E5CAP3 ART15T

Well I would say the part of the main characters you admire is that they are "Do-ers". Then Daniel Lugo justifies his reason for going after Kershaw by saying "Victor Kershaw is a criminal prick, who deserves bad stuff to happen to him!" At this point you're sort of with them because it's just interesting until they try to kill him. At that point you're not sure if you should keep rooting for them and then they "accidently" kill the porn guy and his wife and chop their bodies up. At that point you realize these guys were real and only a psycho would do that and by then you're rooting for Ed Harris' character to catch these guys. So as a film, yes I do think it works because its entertaining on many levels even when it's mostly a true story.

Comparing with Wolf of Wall Street (yes, I know there really is no comparison), but they both showcase bad guys trying to justify why they do what they do. They're not glorifying criminals but its the viewers choice to believe what they want. Of course people think Bay is sleazy and that he condones what they did... blah blah blah. He knew the story could translate well onto screen and I personally think it did. That being said, when it shows the real photos at the end of the crime scene and bodies in barrels it does kind of make you sick to your stomach.

It would have been interesting to see what reaction would be like if it wasn't Bay. But then I don't think they'd have made it without Bay...

nugent · 01-12-2014, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by E5CAP3 ART15T

Well I would say the part of the main characters you admire is that they are "Do-ers". Then Daniel Lugo justifies his reason for going after Kershaw by saying "Victor Kershaw is a criminal prick, who deserves bad stuff to happen to him!" At this point you're sort of with them because it's just interesting until they try to kill him. At that point you're not sure if you should keep rooting for them and then they "accidently" kill the porn guy and his wife and chop their bodies up. At that point you realize these guys were real and only a psycho would do that and by then you're rooting for Ed Harris' character to catch these guys. So as a film, yes I do think it works because its entertaining on many levels even when it's mostly a true story.

Comparing with Wolf of Wall Street (yes, I know there really is no comparison), but they both showcase bad guys trying to justify why they do what they do. They're not glorifying criminals but its the viewers choice to believe what they want. Of course people think Bay is sleazy and that he condones what they did... blah blah blah. He knew the story could translate well onto screen and I personally think it did. That being said, when it shows the real photos at the end of the crime scene and bodies in barrels it does kind of make you sick to your stomach.

Are you saying there are Bay hating nutters that actually believe he condones chopping up body parts, burning them on a grill and stuffing them into barrels because he made a movie about the subject?

eiknarf · 01-12-2014, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by E5CAP3 ART15T

Well I would say the part of the main characters you admire is that they are "Do-ers". Then Daniel Lugo justifies his reason for going after Kershaw by saying "Victor Kershaw is a criminal prick, who deserves bad stuff to happen to him!" At this point you're sort of with them because it's just interesting until they try to kill him. At that point you're not sure if you should keep rooting for them and then they "accidently" kill the porn guy and his wife and chop their bodies up. At that point you realize these guys were real and only a psycho would do that and by then you're rooting for Ed Harris' character to catch these guys. So as a film, yes I do think it works because its entertaining on many levels even when it's mostly a true story.

Comparing with Wolf of Wall Street (yes, I know there really is no comparison), but they both showcase bad guys trying to justify why they do what they do. They're not glorifying criminals but its the viewers choice to believe what they want. Of course people think Bay is sleazy and that he condones what they did... blah blah blah. He knew the story could translate well onto screen and I personally think it did. That being said, when it shows the real photos at the end of the crime scene and bodies in barrels it does kind of make you sick to your stomach.

I just want to know why Leonardo DiCaprio's head is so large?
I don't mean his ego. I mean his noggin... his skull. Its so physically large when he's standing next to others.

JOHN MFN D. · 01-13-2014, 05:56 PM

I stand by my earlier statement, but I do see how roided-out meat-heads would take offence to the film.

Gold Ranger · 01-15-2014, 01:58 AM

For those of you that got the UV code... On the one side it says UV for Pain & Gain, when i flipped it over, it says UV for The Italian Job? is this a mess up or are they all like this?

Extremis · 01-15-2014, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

For those of you that got the UV code... On the one side it says UV for Pain & Gain, when i flipped it over, it says UV for The Italian Job? is this a mess up or are they all like this?

It's probably just you, which is weird.

MasterChief3624 · 01-15-2014, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

For those of you that got the UV code... On the one side it says UV for Pain & Gain, when i flipped it over, it says UV for The Italian Job? is this a mess up or are they all like this?

Mine definitely says Pain & Gain. That's bizarre. Are you sure you didn't accidentally stick a couple of your UV things together? :P

Gold Ranger · 01-15-2014, 02:46 AM

Yes, it's a double sided sheet...
awesome...
*edit*
I already have Italian job on Vudu... got it for free from one those sign ups that give you 10 to choose from...

MasterChief3624 · 01-15-2014, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Yes, it's a double sided sheet...
awesome...
*edit*
I already have Italian job on Vudu... got it for free from one those sign ups that give you 10 to choose from...

I know it's a double-sided sheet, but I was thinking maybe you accidentally stuck a couple pages together or something, that's all.

Have you tried putting the code in?

legendAA93 · 01-15-2014, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

For those of you that got the UV code... On the one side it says UV for Pain & Gain, when i flipped it over, it says UV for The Italian Job? is this a mess up or are they all like this?

I got the same thing. It's a Walmart exclusive.

Gold Ranger · 01-15-2014, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by legendAA93

I got the same thing. It's a Walmart exclusive.

oh...
Wait!
i bought this at Best buy!

MasterChief3624 · 01-15-2014, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

oh...
Wait!
i bought this at Best buy!

Wait, I must be misunderstanding. Are you saying on one side there is an actual code for Pain & Gain, while the other side has a code for The Italian Job? I thought you were saying one side has the poster for Pain and Gain, but the other side is a UV code for The Italian Job instead.

Gold Ranger · 01-15-2014, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterChief3624

Wait, I must be misunderstanding. Are you saying on one side there is an actual code for Pain & Gain, while the other side has a code for The Italian Job? I thought you were saying one side has the poster for Pain and Gain, but the other side is a UV code for The Italian Job instead.

Exactly this!

MasterChief3624 · 01-15-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Exactly this!

Oooh... I'm a dolt. Sorry for misunderstanding. That sounds like a real nice surprise for someone that wouldn't already have The Italian Job, haha

I wonder why your version would have it even though it is supposedly a Wal-Mart Exclusive... hm...

eiknarf · 01-17-2014, 04:52 AM

Haaahaaa. This movie is nuts.
Some parts funny. Some silly. Some stupid. Some hysterical. Some serious. Some ridiculous.

I'll tell ya this much: it's a guys movie.
There ain't no girls saying, "Oh I need Pain and Gain in my collection"

MasterChief3624 · 01-17-2014, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eiknarf

Haaahaaa. This movie is nuts.
Some parts funny. Some silly. Some stupid. Some hysterical. Some serious. Some ridiculous.

I'll tell ya this much: it's a guys movie.
There ain't no girls saying, "Oh I need Pain and Gain in my collection"

That's not entirely accurate. My best friend loved the movie and wants it in her collection, sooo... gender roles strike again?

1badgmc · 01-17-2014, 12:22 PM

My wife enjoyed the hell out of it too. Admittedly, though, it wouldn't have even been on her radar if it weren't for me.

eiknarf · 01-17-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 1badgmc

My wife enjoyed the hell out of it too. Admittedly, though, it wouldn't have even been on her radar if it weren't for me.

Gotchya.

Well, it was fun, but I didn't love it as much as I wanted. I still love Bad Boys 2 more

1badgmc · 01-17-2014, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eiknarf

I still love Bad Boys 2 more

I'll agree with that. Both Bad Boys movies.

01-13-2014, 05:56 PM	#365
JOHN MFN D. Active Member Member since:Jun 2009 Location:The Fort Home Theater Gallery:21 Blu-ray collection:219 DVD collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:1	I stand by my earlier statement, but I do see how roided-out meat-heads would take offence to the film.

01-15-2014, 01:58 AM	#366
Gold Ranger Banned Member since:Jan 2011 Location:NY, TX, CA, IL, HI, NC, PA, WV, MO 4K collection:23 Blu-ray collection:65 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:133	For those of you that got the UV code... On the one side it says UV for Pain & Gain, when i flipped it over, it says UV for The Italian Job? is this a mess up or are they all like this?

01-15-2014, 02:46 AM	#369
Gold Ranger Banned Member since:Jan 2011 Location:NY, TX, CA, IL, HI, NC, PA, WV, MO 4K collection:23 Blu-ray collection:65 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:133	Yes, it's a double sided sheet... awesome... edit I already have Italian job on Vudu... got it for free from one those sign ups that give you 10 to choose from...

01-17-2014, 04:52 AM	#376
eiknarf Blu-ray Baron Member since:Feb 2011 Location:New York Blu-ray collection:393 DVD collection:10 Trading Score:2	Haaahaaa. This movie is nuts. Some parts funny. Some silly. Some stupid. Some hysterical. Some serious. Some ridiculous. I'll tell ya this much: it's a guys movie. There ain't no girls saying, "Oh I need Pain and Gain in my collection"

01-17-2014, 12:22 PM	#378
1badgmc Member Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:579 DVD collection:1277	My wife enjoyed the hell out of it too. Admittedly, though, it wouldn't have even been on her radar if it weren't for me.

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