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Old 05-20-2008, 02:33 PM   #81
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I think its actually what.. 12 million worldwide.. how many standalones worldwide again?
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:35 PM   #82
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All standalone fanatics should bow to the PS3, if it were not for it your standalone would be a super duper expensive paper weight..
Super duper paper weight ?
No, a great upconvert player is what people with SA players would have been left with if Toshiba succeeded.

Then PS3 owners would had to buy an HD DVD player to watch HiDef movies on disc.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:48 PM   #83
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your blu ray player plays HD DVD's?
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:56 PM   #84
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I've heard rumors not so much about the ps3 but the ps2 that if you use it to play movies it shortens its life. is this valid for the ps2 or the ps3?
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:10 PM   #85
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I've heard rumors not so much about the ps3 but the ps2 that if you use it to play movies it shortens its life. is this valid for the ps2 or the ps3?
I'm sure it does..... of course, if you keep it in the original box, and never take it out, I bet it has quite a lengthy shelf-life......

I have 2 PS3's and I don't play games because I don't want to shorten the life-span....

I also plan on ditching both PS3's when a good stand-alone becomes available, and affordable.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:21 PM   #86
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I've heard rumors not so much about the ps3 but the ps2 that if you use it to play movies it shortens its life. is this valid for the ps2 or the ps3?
No it is not true for the PS3.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:37 PM   #87
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I'm getting a little sick of this thread in the new posts section every 5 minutes. Yes the PS3 is a better overall BD player than a standalone at the moment. We all know that, but it is also true that a standalone has advantages for certain people over the PS3. It doesn't play video games! You guys seriously underestimate the desire of book readers and active adults to not have something that teenagers play with in their living rooms.
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We all know that, but it is also true that a standalone has advantages for certain people over the PS3.
Correct. The PS3 is a good blu-ray player but SA players have advantages that are related to Blu-ray usage and external connected equipment that the PS3 can no accommodate.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:06 PM   #89
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your blu ray player plays HD DVD's?
No.
But you said if it wasn't for the PS3, SA players would be paper weights, which would be the same for the PS3 in regards to being a HiDef disc player.
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I'm getting a little sick of this thread in the new posts section every 5 minutes. Yes the PS3 is a better overall BD player than a standalone at the moment. We all know that, but it is also true that a standalone has advantages for certain people over the PS3. It doesn't play video games! You guys seriously underestimate the desire of book readers and active adults to not have something that teenagers play with in their living rooms.
Eh...why wouldn't a PS3 be considered a standalone if you only used it to watch movies? I believe that you can turn "Auto-play" on, and skip the XMB. And currently, the PS3 has some great features that the other "standalones" lack. Whenever someone asks me what BD player to buy...i say the PS3 because it is the most versatile. If "book readers" and "active adults" dont want to have a ps3 solely because teenagers play video games on them, i think your "adults" are the childish ones. PS...you definitely seemed a little condescending. negativity....not necessary.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:17 PM   #91
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So, only benefit the PS3 currently has over a SA player is BD live.
I'd list built-in wireless networking as another advantage especially for a BD-Live player. Currently, I'd even list the wired connection as an advantage since many of the standalones don't even have an ethernet port. While the standalones don't have BD-Live, making networking less important, it's still a convenient feature for firmware updates.

I'd also consider the PS3 being faster to load as an advantage and that kind of leads to the following.

I'd also list it's BD-J handling as an advantage since it's one of the better performers (if not the best) in that regard (e.g. smoother, more responsive menus and interactive features, etc.). It has also been said that the performance is sometimes (always?) tested when the disc is launched and then adjustments are made based on the rated performance. I can't recall for sure what example was used but I think it was basically like providing a "lite" version of the menus if the performance is found somewhat lacking. That is, essentially reduce the load on the player to help improve performance.

Edit: Also, I'm not saying (or trying to imply) that standalones don't have any advantages over the PS3. I think they do.

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Old 05-20-2008, 08:32 PM   #92
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Eh...why wouldn't a PS3 be considered a standalone if you only used it to watch movies?
Point taken.

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If "book readers" and "active adults" dont want to have a ps3 solely because teenagers play video games on them, i think your "adults" are the childish ones.
People know what a video game machine looks like, and the PS3 looks like a video game machine. If it was shaped like a standalone player and wouldn't overheat on my rack than I might have gotten one.
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No it is not true for the PS3.
Well After my dvd player died on me I used my ps2 for the longest time to play dvds mostly because I didn't really play many games. and at first it worked great, and then after doing this for a while I would put a burnt dvd in and it would say "Disc Cannot Be Read" but the disc would work in every other player in the house. and finally after a while of that I started getting the same thing for real dvds. I hope this isnt the case for the ps3. that would be terrible.
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:51 PM   #94
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Well After my dvd player died on me I used my ps2 for the longest time to play dvds mostly because I didn't really play many games. and at first it worked great, and then after doing this for a while I would put a burnt dvd in and it would say "Disc Cannot Be Read" but the disc would work in every other player in the house. and finally after a while of that I started getting the same thing for real dvds. I hope this isnt the case for the ps3. that would be terrible.
I think it would safe to assume the PS3 might peform the same way, especially if you use it for games and movies (BD and SD DVD). However, some friends that bought PS2's back in 2002 still use them for movies with no complications (they're not really gamers though). Also, I had bought a toshiba DVD player back in 2001 and it failed to read discs in 2006 so take from that what you wish.

The PS3 definitely has it's drawbacks but from my perspective they seem rather insignificant when compared to it's positives. I may not understand something, but aside from owning a receiver without HDMI 1.3, I really don't understand why the PS3 wouldn't be favored...aside from preference alone.

Additionally, after reading some of the comments, I never knew the PS3 had issues with heat or fan noise. Perhaps the 40 gig doesn't present these? My receiver heats up far more than my PS3 and I don't even hear it's fan. Maybe this is because it's such a new unit. I bought one in February. In comparison, my xbox 360 runs much hotter and louder, I can actually hear it from my couch, but even that fades away after I take the mute off.
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However, some friends that bought PS2's back in 2002 still use them for movies with no complications (they're not really gamers though).
I realize single examples don't mean much, but I have had a PS2 in the car for over 2 years, and it still works great. Considering the extreme temps, bumps, and dirt, I think that is impressive.
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the 4gb limit was fixed a couple of updates back
Really? I've just encoded Apocalypse Now which came out 6gb, ps3 wouldn't play, though zoomplayer didn't do on pc either. I guess I have to reencode
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What you describe is nothing to do with Blu-ray functionality or support.
I was comparing device to device. As a device PS3 does all that. Pany or any other standalone is just what it is, standalone. And most of them aren't even full profile BD players anyway.

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Yes, those other 'extras' are nice but how do they help those who buy a PS3 for a Blu-ray player ?
They did help me as a blu-ray player buyer to avoid extra costs of ubilding HTPC or buying another mediacenter.

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Consumer who buys BD30

......<inserts blu-ray disc in player and enjoys his movie without buying anything to support legacy equipment.>
The same consumer says, wow so how do I play PS3 games? Ok, screw games...
Oh, also screw my digital library, I don't want to use it anymore, as long as my pany has coax outputs all is fine...
Why spend more money on HTPC or any mediacenter or may be do?
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What can the PS3 do that a well built HTPC can't (accept play PS3 games)?
Price. Well built HTPC will run you well over the price of couple PS3s and a change.
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What you describe is nothing to do with Blu-ray functionality or support.
Yes, those other 'extras' are nice but how do they help those who buy a PS3 for a Blu-ray player ?


Consumer who buys PS3 for Blu-ray player:

"Hey dad, I can't connect the PS3 to the strero because we don't have optical or HDMI."

"Huh?, it doesn't have a digital coax input or 5.1 analog outs to connect to our Sony receiver?"

"Nope."

"Dad, there's no remote so we need to use the game controller for the remote until you buy a special one made specifically for the PS3."

"Huh?, I can't control it with our Universal Sony remote?"

"I guess you can if you buy a special adapter from some online store."

"Well, I guess no stereo for our Blu-ray movies and the game controller will do until I can buy a remote or one of those special adapters."

"Hey, were's the component output on the PS3 ?"

"If doesn't have one, you need to buy a special adapter."

"I guess no blu-ray movie for use tonight."
"Well, I guess we can watch blu-ray in 480i using the special composite output cable.
"It did come with one of those right ?..........."



Consumer who buys BD30

"Let's see..... connect coax for digital input or I can use analog outs."
"Great, my old strero has both. I guess I'll try coax for now."

"Wow, it has component and HDMI video outputs."

......<inserts blu-ray disc in player and enjoys his movie without buying anything to support legacy equipment.>



Not everybody buys the lastest greatest AV equipment.
Are there receivers that will decode TrueHD and DTS-MA over component? If there aren't, then what is the purpose of buying a BD player that can't internally decode these codecs without a HDMI equipped receiver?
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:39 AM   #100
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no, component is a video connection format
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