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Old 08-31-2014, 03:09 PM   #1
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Post Deep Impact (1998): A Retrospect

Back in 1998 we got the first of two movies revolving around the possible cataclysmic events of a gigantic comet hitting the Earth. This did happen a few times back in the 90's with the two volcano flicks...'Dante's Peak' and errr 'Volcano', 'Bug's Life' and 'Antz', 'Tombstone' and 'Wyatt Earp' etc... For some reason Hollywood bigwigs seemed to think we needed two virtually identical movies coming out in the same year.

Where as 'Armageddon' was a more bombastic explosion filled action adventure where characters had cool nicknames, this movie was a much deeper emotional rollercoaster with a sensible angle. I've always seen or compared these two films to videogames...this film being more like a realistic simulator and 'Armageddon' being more like a balls to the wall arcade cabinet game. Clearly there is no need to go over the plot in much detail as it speaks for itself, but both films required astronauts to drill deep into the vast looming comet and plant nukes to blow it up. In one film it works, in the other it doesn't.

What I liked about this film was the well portrayed characters and their development, although the casting wasn't all that good truth be told. We meet a rounded selection of average people, and of course Mr President and some officials, as the clock ticks down to judgement day. Each character has their own individual issues that intertwine with other characters throughout, its basically a slice of life for each person in the lead up to the disaster. In the mean time we also follow some astronauts and their mission to plant the nukes which naturally also includes more heart pounding problems to solve. On the whole every story line is very emotional as the tension builds...people die, people must make choices, sacrifices, redemption, reconciliation, love...its all here in buckets loads and what's more it works.

I will be quite honest here and say this movie gets me every time with the old waterworks, I can't help it. Leder uses all the tricks in the book to make you reach for the tissues, every predictable cliche is present and correct from making up with a loved one, giving up a life saving seat on a helicopter for a mother and child...to the astronauts making the ultimate sacrifice. There are some scenes which really wrench at your heartstrings (I think), when Leoni and Schell hold each other on the beach before being engulfed by the tsunami, the shuttle crew saying their goodbyes before blowing themselves up inside a comet fissure, when the newsroom team must draw straws for helicopter placings. That scene also annoyed me, a young mother and child draw the short straw and must stay behind and no one offers their place to them! surely a mother and baby would get a place regardless sheesh!

On the flip side the destruction porn, or disaster porn should I say is handled well with solid CGI. The ruination of poor old New York is well rendered and still holds up today, watching the megatsunami sweep through the city toppling skyscrapers is actually quite scary. The tsunami itself looks good against the city but elsewhere it does look a tad obvious, there are the odd shots that stick out a bit these days but that's expected. In general it all looks very good and with minimal use of big set pieces really, not until the finale that is, its mainly dialog and space sequences. The space sequences are quite impressive I might add, nicely done, realistic in appearance no nonsense...it all looked accurate to me, as though it could really happen. The comet sequences were probably the best in the film, it all looked like a set sure but very well created, cold and intimidating visually, great space suits for the astronauts and some slick looking machinery and gear which all looked like it would actually do the job for real.

It always amused me how the US decides to save one million people, 300,000 of which already have places, people like scientists teachers doctors...artists? No one over 50...bit of a bummer huh, oh unless you're the President or any of his aides that is. I've also always wondered about the US military in this film, did they get automatic places in the caves? seeing as they are serving their country, did their families get automatic places too? if not why would any soldier follow orders and do what they do...act like emotionless heartless robots.

I also found it hilarious that as Elijah Wood and his family are about to enter the caves his folks actually let him run off to find his little girlfriend! As if any parent would allow their child to do that in that situation, I'm pretty sure any normal parent would have dragged the child in with them no questions asked. The whole sub plot is ridiculous too seeing as Wood would have died for nothing, he didn't know the bigass comet would get destroyed and he never made it back to the caves, so both him and his girlfriend would have been killed ordinarily. When Wood does find his girlfriend her folks tell them to get to higher ground...but again why bother when they all knew the bigass comet would wipe everything out. Surely being together in the last few minutes would have been a better option for the kids. So technically Wood goes off on a suicide mission and his folks let him.

So even with a simple plot like this there are still (I think) some flaws that don't really reflect reality that well. I also thought the main casting was a bit all over the place with Leoni coming across kinda weak in my opinion. She just looks confused all the time and her newscaster sequences were terrible, even before she announces the bad news she's stuttering through it annoyingly. Schell adds some old fashioned class and sheen but the relationship/connection between him and Leoni never really feels right even though it isn't suppose to. Even at the very end I just didn't feel it between them which is a shame because they are one of the main focus points in the plot (still a sad moment).

On the other hand the drama kicking off in space is managed expertly by Duvall, him and his team really do come across as a proper group of astronauts. This was one aspect I've always like about the movie and that's the combination of the Earth based drama and space set drama, both of which are solid and gel perfectly. I was also impressed how the story is handled, it never crosses your mind that the space shuttle crew might not make it back, sure you know there's always gonna be redshirt character in there but you always assume they will be the heroes and get home. I guess this is what makes their sacrifice so powerful towards the finale, it surprises you, hits you hard, and in that brief moment you connect with the small team one human to another.

I'm sure there are probably some scientific bits that aren't overly accurate too but in general this movie feels very realistic, looks very realistic and manages to cover the stark reality of humanity having to face extinction exceptionally well in the countdown to the end of the world.

7.5/10
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Old 08-31-2014, 03:26 PM   #2
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I like this movie much more than "Armageddon"; it has a lot more heart all-around. Leo going to save Sarah against all logic was a dramatic device, to show he was ultimately selfless in a world gone mad. Elijah's great at selling that kind of conviction, and Leeleee Sobieski surprised me as well (I'd only seen her in "Jungle 2 Jungle" before that). I also liked seeing good actors in the smaller roles, like Denise Crosby, Dougray Scott, James Cromwell, and Kurtwood Smith.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:00 PM   #3
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I always enjoyed this film, despite being a little soapy and cheesy. The effects when they finally come don't hold up that well now, but it's really more about the human drama and there is some intricate plotting. Michael Tolkin who is an excellent writer of novels and screenplays did a major rewrite on the film and I think he added a lot to the film which makes it a little more thoughtful than your average disaster movie.
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I always enjoyed this film, despite being a little soapy and cheesy. The effects when they finally come don't hold up that well now, but it's really more about the human drama and there is some intricate plotting. Michael Tolkin who is an excellent writer of novels and screenplays did a major rewrite on the film and I think he added a lot to the film which makes it a little more thoughtful than your average disaster movie.
I thought the effects are still OK myself, especially the space sequences.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:03 PM   #5
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This film, while stupid and unrealistic (on the subject matter) in it's own right is still 100 times better than that garbage called Armageddon.
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I thought the effects are still OK myself, especially the space sequences.
Yes, the space sequences are fine, but the climactic catastrophe looks pretty bad today. Water was one of the biggest challenges in CGI for a long time and the technology wasn't quite there yet.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:30 PM   #7
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I think both movies are great and I love how they cast Morgan Freeman as the President, but if I had to choose one it would be Armageddon.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:32 PM   #8
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Love this one - one of the best disaster films ever.
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This film, while stupid and unrealistic (on the subject matter) in it's own right is still 100 times better than that garbage called Armageddon.
Its a heck of a lot more scientifically accurate than "Armageddon", showing the meteor being blown to bits from inside instead of splitting in half.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:57 PM   #10
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Still my favourite disaster film today. Infact probably in my top 30 films or so of all time. Morgan Freeman as the president just seals the deal
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This film, while stupid and unrealistic (on the subject matter) in it's own right is still 100 times better than that garbage called Armageddon.
Deep Impact is frequently cited to be among the few big Hollywood films which have been well researched and which are considered to get a lot of things right in terms of their science:

http://www.blastr.com/2010/09/post_36.php
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I still prefer Armageddon as the better disaster movie. Deep Impact had a few good moments but it was too wrapped up in its father/daughter drama for an hour and 50 minutes before we get to the 5 minute money shot which was already shown in trailers.

Armageddon was an entertaining movie from the first scene and still packed a bit of emotional punch with Willis and Liv Tyler.
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I still prefer Armageddon as the better disaster movie. Deep Impact had a few good moments but it was too wrapped up in its father/daughter drama for an hour and 50 minutes before we get to the 5 minute money shot which was already shown in trailers.

Armageddon was an entertaining movie from the first scene and still packed a bit of emotional punch with Willis and Liv Tyler.
This is exactly how I feel. The emotional drama of Deep Impact felt sappy, and I found it borderline unbearable. The emotional impact of Armageddon, especially in its finale, hit me the hardest.

Really, I only ever liked the ending of Deep Impact, when the asteroid hits. That was some decent SFX work for its time, and the way it shows the water rushing over the land seems creditable.
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This is exactly how I feel. The emotional drama of Deep Impact felt sappy, and I found it borderline unbearable. The emotional impact of Armageddon, especially in its finale, hit me the hardest.

Really, I only ever liked the ending of Deep Impact, when the asteroid hits. That was some decent SFX work for its time, and the way it shows the water rushing over the land seems creditable.
opposite opinion.... talk about cheesy... Armageddon couldn't hit a single emotional note right... it was a big joke throughout... DEEP IMPACT succeeded emotionally numerous times and is the far, far better film
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The only relationships I believed in with "Armageddon" were Gracie's with AJ and her father, plus Will Patton's character and his son. The rest, not so much.
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Sorry gang, I guess I'm in the minority.
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Sorry gang, I guess I'm in the minority.
In all fairness, "Armageddon" is still better than anything else Michael Bay's ever done...but that ain't sayin' much.
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The only relationships I believed in with "Armageddon" were Gracie's with AJ and her father, plus Will Patton's character and his son. The rest, not so much.
You just listed all of the relationships in the movie. Everybody else was just comic relief and filler.

*currently watching Armageddon right now
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In all fairness, "Armageddon" is still better than anything else Michael Bay's ever done...but that ain't sayin' much.
I think the consensus on this board is that The Rock is Bay's high point.

Maybe there could've been a good movie found if somehow Deep Impact and Armageddon merged.
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You would think that LeeLee's parents in the movie would have took their dog with them or at least let it roam free to escape but nope they left it blocked in inside the house.
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