Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Joeker]

I got up to 1500 BDs when I decided to go full digital last year. Now I'm at 3,000 digital titles and prolly like 50ish BD titles.

I miss the physical collection sometimes (those Disney slips, the steels ) but I'm happy I made the switch.

[jcflman]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

There are such things as facts and this type of behavior is an illness. There is an entire show dedicated to this type of behavior, it's called Hoarders. Not everything is an opinion and a debate. Some things simply are. Your telling me that the individuals on hoarders are doing just fine and as long as they are happy filling their homes with junk? Alcoholics are happy when their are drunk. Opiate addicted individuals are happy when they are consuming their drugs. I know in the age of Trump, everything is now up for debate.

At least movies give the user enjoyment from use and don't just sit on a shelf, well they do if you have enormous collections, unlike someone who collects something like funko pops. I think collecting is for the thrill of the hunt, the good memories produced and remembered and being conversation starters on something you enjoy... not the collection itself. It's just that 90% of people go overboard.

If you're buying something to store in a container you're missing the point. For example, I read numerous stories of people hunting for nes classics and the thrill of finding one. Also the enjoyment of hacking it and playing it. The people that miss the point are the collectors. Buying a nes classic to store in a container for 10 years just to make some money makes zero sense. That's 10 years it will get no use and the end result of any money you've made will have not changed your life at all.

As kids, we all have toys, cds, video games etc we use and enjoy. Then as adults, using funko pops again as an example, we buy a few from our favorite films as room decor or what have you, then before you know it you've lost control and start buying them all. Serving no purpose and getting no use.

Basically, use and enjoy the stuff you have. If you do collect, you better have some damn good stories as to how you acquired it. I don't wanna hear how you got it for a good price on Amazon.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I don't have shelves. I subscribe to minimalism. Your collection is a vanity thing. Newflash. No one cares about your movie collection.

A minimalist is just a modern day word for hippy . The photo was just to demonstrate that people with physical media collections can still have tidy homes. I asked you what was untidy about it, and you didn't really answer. "You don't have shelves", and? So essentially what you are telling me is that you are repulsed by simply seeing shelves in the living environment? If so, then as I previously said, you're are the one that has issues then. So because my collection looks nice and tidy, according to you it's a "vanity thing", but if it was all messy I would be a hoarder with psychological issues. "My collection is a vanity thing", not really. It simply comes down to this - I prefer physical media (I don't need to explain my reason for this to you), and like you, "I don't like having a messy home". How my collection looks isn't for the benefit of anyone else but me.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

A minimalist is just a modern day word for hippy . The photo was just to demonstrate that people with physical media collections can still have tidy homes. I asked you what was untidy about it, and you didn't really answer. "You don't have shelves", and? So essentially what you are telling me is that you are repulsed by simply seeing shelves in the living environment? If so, then as I previously said, you're are the one that has issues then. So because my collection looks nice and tidy, according to you it's a "vanity thing", but if it was all messy I would be a hoarder with psychological issues. "My collection is a vanity thing", not really. It simply comes down to this - I prefer physical media (I don't need to explain my reason for this to you), and like you, "I don't like having a messy home". How my collection looks isn't for the benefit of anyone else but me.

I am not repulsed by your shelves. I just don't want them. I sold off all of my physical media. I personally would not want that kind of shelf in my home. Different strokes I guess. That collection of yours looks like a trip to Europe for me. I would sell all of that off on Ebay. It's just so much to me. Are you really going to watch all of those movies again? I don't get the point of collecting so many movies that you are never going to watch again.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I am not repulsed by your shelves. I just don't want them. I sold off all of my physical media. I personally would not want that kind of shelf in my home. Different strokes I guess. That collection of yours looks like a trip to Europe for me. I would sell all of that off on Ebay. It's just so much to me. Are you really going to watch all of those movies again? I don't get the point of collecting so many movies that you are never going to watch again.

Awesome. Why don't you just say that, instead of calling people that have physical media collections hoarders with untidy homes etc.

It's not really any of your business whether I do or don't watch them again. Why does it matter to you at all? I watch a lot of content, my partner of 15 years and I have great paying jobs (we are not required to work 50-60 plus hours a week for this either, we both work 37.5 hours a week), and we don't have children (neither of us want kids), therefore we have a lot of spare lesuire time. We can afford to have our collection and go to Europe as well. However, personally I'm not really big on traveling overseas, I don't really care much about seeing the world in all honesty, my partner does on the other hand though. Sometimes she goes overseas for a holiday without me.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I don't have shelves. I subscribe to minimalism. Your collection is a vanity thing. Newflash. No one cares about your movie collection.

So since you prefer minimalism, one would logically assume that you are therefore proud of your minimalist, tidy home. Perhaps to the point of being proud of showing it to people who come to visit... which would be a vanity thing.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

So since you prefer minimalism, one would logically assume that you are therefore proud of your minimalist, tidy home. Perhaps to the point of being proud of showing it to people who come to visit... which would be a vanity thing.

That's a good point actually. Plus, he seems bothered about what people think. I gave up that crap years ago. It's so liberating.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

Negative. I have never had a lot of anything. But when I read all of your responses to streaming and digital films all I hear is panic and I wonder why. When I read people's profile and they have thousands of discs and it just does not seem rational at all. I have read posts of people going out to stores and buying movies they clearly do not like, or chasing around collector's editions that come with kids toys. All I am saying is your out of line by saying people who do not have physical collections just don't love movies as much as you do. And I stand by my belief that extreme collecting is another form of hoarding. It doesn't matter if collections are organized or not. Inanimate objects should not be this important to people. One person on here started a thread where the topic was if people were scared that someone was going to break into their homes and steal their movies. That should not be your first concern in a home invasion or break. Get a grip.

It's not inanimate objects? It's films that happen to give me great enjoyment. They are priceless to me. It's no different to music lovers who have hundreds of vinyl. It's about the psssion we have for our hobby. You just come across as someone who is jealous to be honest.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

What's messy about this?:



What, the colourful spines? Or the fact that there is shelves in the room at all? If you think so, then you have a the problem as far as I'm concerned. My home is probably cleaner than yours.

That looks perfectly fine. Mine is similar but black.

[BMox81]

Well this conversation has taken a turn for the worse hasn't it....

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BMox81

Well this conversation has taken a turn for the worse hasn't it....

Not really. It's just a smackdown thread. That's all it was ever going to be.

[Steedeel]

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/20/1...-thunderstruck

It starts..................

I keep telling you guys, but you won't listen.

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Just because your Streaming Setup is inadequate, doesn't mean ours is just "Good Enough." We Digital HD people love Movies just as much if not more than you Disc Lovers. And we don't think Digital HD is just "Good Enough." We've proved last year that Streaming the same File from a Server would result in the same Quality. So that's why SarahS says Prove It. I now have a Sony 65" UHD TV with Symmetrical 75Mbps FTTH, Structured Cat5 Wiring. So tell us your setup, and why it's so bad for you.

Let's try this again.

Have you ever looked at the file size of a Vudu or iTunes movie? iTunes downloads in HD are around 5 GB or less. Some are 2GB.

A bluray disc can hold 25 GB of information. Where do you honestly think that information went?

The compression algorithms reduce as much as they can without impacting the movie in a bad way. That's why most people can't really see a difference when they are 7-8 feet away.

Next, your internet speed that you have has no bearing at all on the quality of that stream once you have met the maximum Vudu/iTunes streams at. You have 75 Mbps internet speed. Cool. I have 100. It doesn't change the fact the servers are storing highly compressed copies of the original movie. When Vudu says that stream at 9-12 MBps or whatever....that doesn't mean your 75 meg internet is streaming Vudu at 75 meg.

Vudu is literally streaming at 9 Mbps and a little more for the UHD streams.

To prove this concept even more, have you ever saved a photo in photo editing software? Have you ever tried to reduce the file size of a photo? Guess how that is done? Through compression.

So now you take the raw HDR photo from your camera and run it through an algorithm to get a file that you can upload to a message board.

The same thing is happening with iTunes and Vudu. Internet speeds cannot stream a 25 gb movie file at this point in time.

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/20/1...-thunderstruck

It starts..................

I keep telling you guys, but you won't listen.

It doesn't mean this replaces every movie. Dude....it's literally just another category of movies.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by wolfpackTri

It doesn't mean this replaces every movie. Dude....it's literally just another category of movies.

You sure about that?

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You sure about that?

I refuse to entertain your conspiracy theories. I know that there is no one that will ever change your mind.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by wolfpackTri

I refuse to entertain your conspiracy theories. I know that there is no one that will ever change your mind.

Just think this could kickstart an onslaught of interactive content. This is Netflix we are talking about.

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just think this could kickstart an onslaught of interactive content. This is Netflix we are talking about.

That's fine. VR is an alternative to playing video games.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by wolfpackTri

That's fine. VR is an alternative to playing video games.

VR is video games.

[zarquon]

Originally Posted by wolfpackTri

Let's try this again.

Have you ever looked at the file size of a Vudu or iTunes movie? iTunes downloads in HD are around 5 GB or less. Some are 2GB.

A bluray disc can hold 25 GB of information. Where do you honestly think that information went?

The compression algorithms reduce as much as they can without impacting the movie in a bad way. That's why most people can't really see a difference when they are 7-8 feet away.

Next, your internet speed that you have has no bearing at all on the quality of that stream once you have met the maximum Vudu/iTunes streams at. You have 75 Mbps internet speed. Cool. I have 100. It doesn't change the fact the servers are storing highly compressed copies of the original movie. When Vudu says that stream at 9-12 MBps or whatever....that doesn't mean your 75 meg internet is streaming Vudu at 75 meg.

Vudu is literally streaming at 9 Mbps and a little more for the UHD streams.

To prove this concept even more, have you ever saved a photo in photo editing software? Have you ever tried to reduce the file size of a photo? Guess how that is done? Through compression.

So now you take the raw HDR photo from your camera and run it through an algorithm to get a file that you can upload to a message board.

The same thing is happening with iTunes and Vudu. Internet speeds cannot stream a 25 gb movie file at this point in time.

Yes, to all of this, and very well put, sir. I was going to try again myself, but, sadly, it seems alchav21 is immune to the logic in this explaination, it seems to roll off him like water off a ducks back...