90th Academy Awards - March 4th, 2018

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

By now Moonlight has been completely overshadowed and has never been mentioned or talked about since the controversy. Meanwhile, La La Land keeps the spark going, whether its good or bad its still talked about to this day. LLL was the rightful BP winner and its a movie that will stay remembered all the time.

I loved La La Land a lot more than most movies in 2016, including Moonlight. But images from Moonlight have stuck to me and I often find myself thinking about the film. Though I wasn't as throughly impressed by Moonlight as I expected to be, in retrospect the film has crept up to me in a subliminal way, especially the music.

I hardly think about La La Land after the experience, and really a lot of movies have done what La La Land has done, La La Land just did a lot of the things better. But I believe overall what Moonlight achieved was quite unique! Something that is even more startling when one considers that in my initial viewing I didn't even find Moonlight to be a complete film, let alone a great one.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

By now Moonlight has been completely overshadowed and has never been mentioned or talked about since the controversy. Meanwhile, La La Land keeps the spark going, whether its good or bad its still talked about to this day. LLL was the rightful BP winner and its a movie that will stay remembered all the time.

I honestly don't hear/read much chatter about either movie.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I honestly don't hear/read much chatter about either movie.

Yeah pretty much par for the course. Both are still great though, the fact no one is talking about them isn't indicative of their quality, just like all things, other films take hold. If the only films that should win Oscars are the ones people are still talking about, then Ghostbusters would have done a sweep of the awards last year.

[Leonidas King]

Originally Posted by Scholer

I loved La La Land a lot more than most movies in 2016, including Moonlight. But images from Moonlight have stuck to me and I often find myself thinking about the film. Though I wasn't as throughly impressed by Moonlight as I expected to be, in retrospect the film has crept up to me in a subliminal way, especially the music.



I hardly think about La La Land after the experience, and really a lot of movies have done what La La Land has done, La La Land just did a lot of the things better. But I believe overall what Moonlight achieved was quite unique! Something that is even more startling when one considers that in my initial viewing I didn't even find Moonlight to be a complete film, let alone a great one.

Thank you for this! Because I feel the same way. I too think Moonlight is not a complete film. Theres layers that are missing.


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[Predatorix38417]

Mudbound's gonna get screwed for going with Netflix. Highly unlikely to get a Best Picture nomination when Netflix has been terrible so far at pushing award bait movies. Also they should learn from Birth of a Nation last year that just because a movie gets raved at Sundance doesn't mean it's a lock at the Oscars.

[Mr.F]

Mudbound had a big budget for a Sundance film, as a result the people in charge of selling it were asking for at least 10 million. Although the film got good notices it wasn't the kind of sensation that makes distributors want to pay that kind of money. Netflix were the only ones willing to take the risk and paid 12.5 million.

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

Thank you for this! Because I feel the same way. I too think Moonlight is not a complete film. Theres layers that are missing.


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But it was intentionally incomplete, with highly impressionistic flourishes which are reminiscent very much of Wong Kar Wai in his prime. The gaps in the narrative and even the structure reinforce the idea that we have fill in a lot if the movie with our own personal experiences.

[imsounoriginal]

My only complaint about Moonlight is that when it ends, it feels like there's a scene missing. I understand what the intention was, I just wanted one more scene between those two. But otherwise it's pretty much flawless. Have seen it a few times and it grows on me more and more.

La La Land I only saw once but I flat-out loved it. I'm almost scared to rewatch it in case it doesn't live up to my memory of it. I probably liked it more than Moonlight but I have no issue with Moonlight winning (and besides, Nocturnal Animals was the true Best Picture of last year and it wasn't even nominated; of the nominees, my choice would've been Hell or High Water).

[Leonidas King]

Originally Posted by Scholer

But it was intentionally incomplete, with highly impressionistic flourishes which are reminiscent very much of Wong Kar Wai in his prime. The gaps in the narrative and even the structure reinforce the idea that we have fill in a lot if the movie with our own personal experiences.

They really gloss over the relationship between Chiron and Juan though, they establish this connection between the two and all that buildup is abruptly lost in the second act. Even the editors had to point it out because originally you will probably miss what happened to his character. Also, there's quite a flaw in the narrative that sticks out the more and more I watch it. Chiron hadn't seen his childhood friend Kevin for almost a decade or more, soon after they talk over the phone he has a wet dream. We see in Chiron's dream how he can picture Kevin so perfectly in current time. That's a flaw as there is no way he could've known how he looked like after all those years.

[Buscemi]

Originally Posted by sawdustandtinsel

Why didn't Mudbound go with A24? I have a feeling that will come back to bite them as Netflix is incompetent when it comes to the Oscars.

Because A24 already has like five or six movies in the awards race (The Killing of a Sacred Deer, Lady Bird, The Disaster Artist, who knows what else). They aren't silly to pay over $10 million for a film they won't make their money back on. Besides, they learned from Equals.

[BigPudge]

Moonlight for me was an okay flick that got raves because of a few factors, 1 of which is it was a character driven film that was made for nothing. The other reasons are if you find the honest trailer for it, it is dead on accurate!

La La Land is a damn near masterpiece and a film that will be talked about for years to come. For me, it is like when Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan... people still talk about SPR, no one references SiL!

This years Oscars, who knows?! Im sure Gary Oldman will get a nomination for playing Churchill, pry see Meryl Streep and Spielberg for that movie they have (and The academy will pry screw Hanks again)

Id really love to see the Caanes love continue through award season for Sandlers turn in the Noah Baumbach flick... but that is a netflix release and netflix sounds like a great studio for creative control to directors but a HORRIBLE studio for films overall. No home video releases for any of their films, very limited theatrical pushes.

They REALLY need to nominate Andy Serkis for War of the Planet of the Apes, the guy is a genius and his performance is amazing.

Love to see Dunkirk get alot of love, pry no acting nominations because it wasnt a real showcase for the actors, more so the story telling and filmmaking.

And id be surprised if Detroit doesnt get some love.

And would like to see Tyler Sheridan get some love for Wind River

I love awards season, cant wait to see what makes the cut!

[Buscemi]

La La Land is cheap awards bait that would have been ignored had Damien Chazelle not made it. This self-indulgent filmmaker does not deserve the praise (mainly the teenage/twentysomething Internet crowd that thinks Whiplash is the greatest film ever when it's nothing more than Drumline with White People) he gets. Moonlight deserved to beat the latest made for Oscars, show business egofest (funny that Shakespeare in Love is just that). And Emma Stone beating Isabelle Huppert shows once again that the Academy doesn't pay attention to the Best Actress category. They just vote on who's the most popular most of the time.

Oldman won't get nominated if the anti-semitism comments he made bubble up again (it's ridiculous that Hollywood has forgotten this but blacklist Patricia Arquette for bringing up the industry's rampant misogyny). I think it's going to be a Jackman vs. Cranston race (I still think Jackman's the favorite).

I think the disappointing box office results have killed Detroit's chances. The only thing that's going to help it now is the home video release (as well as the possibility that it hits Hulu before the voter deadlines).

The Meyerowitz Stories remains without a date and seems to be held up by the Sandler deal (it was made outside his deal). This might not even make awards season though it's finished (and while we're at it, where's the second season of Lady Dynamite?). Also, they've had one film get released on home video (2013's The Square).

Wind River's going to be a non-factor. Weinstein's focused on their fall releases and the fact that Wind River was dropped by them at one point suggests little faith from them. Also, their financial issues really limit what they can promote and I expect all of it to be on The Current War (The Imitation Game 2: Tesla Coil) and Mary Magdalene (which I'm expecting to be the bomb of awards season).

[Leonidas King]

Originally Posted by BigPudge

Moonlight for me was an okay flick that got raves because of a few factors, 1 of which is it was a character driven film that was made for nothing. The other reasons are if you find the honest trailer for it, it is dead on accurate!

La La Land is a damn near masterpiece and a film that will be talked about for years to come. For me, it is like when Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan... people still talk about SPR, no one references SiL!

This years Oscars, who knows?! Im sure Gary Oldman will get a nomination for playing Churchill, pry see Meryl Streep and Spielberg for that movie they have (and The academy will pry screw Hanks again)

Id really love to see the Caanes love continue through award season for Sandlers turn in the Noah Baumbach flick... but that is a netflix release and netflix sounds like a great studio for creative control to directors but a HORRIBLE studio for films overall. No home video releases for any of their films, very limited theatrical pushes.

They REALLY need to nominate Andy Serkis for War of the Planet of the Apes, the guy is a genius and his performance is amazing.

Love to see Dunkirk get alot of love, pry no acting nominations because it wasnt a real showcase for the actors, more so the story telling and filmmaking.

And id be surprised if Detroit doesnt get some love.

And would like to see Tyler Sheridan get some love for Wind River

I love awards season, cant wait to see what makes the cut!

Mahershala Ali, those are the reasons Moonlight wonnn!

[CelluloidPal]

Originally Posted by Buscemi

La La Land is cheap awards bait that would have been ignored had Damien Chazelle not made it. This self-indulgent filmmaker does not deserve the praise (mainly the teenage/twentysomething Internet crowd that thinks Whiplash is the greatest film ever when it's nothing more than Drumline with White People) he gets. Moonlight deserved to beat the latest made for Oscars, show business egofest (funny that Shakespeare in Love is just that). And Emma Stone beating Isabelle Huppert shows once again that the Academy doesn't pay attention to the Best Actress category. They just vote on who's the most popular most of the time.

Oldman won't get nominated if the anti-semitism comments he made bubble up again (it's ridiculous that Hollywood has forgotten this but blacklist Patricia Arquette for bringing up the industry's rampant misogyny). I think it's going to be a Jackman vs. Cranston race (I still think Jackman's the favorite).

I think the disappointing box office results have killed Detroit's chances. The only thing that's going to help it now is the home video release (as well as the possibility that it hits Hulu before the voter deadlines).

The Meyerowitz Stories remains without a date and seems to be held up by the Sandler deal (it was made outside his deal). This might not even make awards season though it's finished (and while we're at it, where's the second season of Lady Dynamite?). Also, they've had one film get released on home video (2013's The Square).

Wind River's going to be a non-factor. Weinstein's focused on their fall releases and the fact that Wind River was dropped by them at one point suggests little faith from them. Also, their financial issues really limit what they can promote and I expect all of it to be on The Current War (The Imitation Game 2: Tesla Coil) and Mary Magdalene (which I'm expecting to be the bomb of awards season).

At least, La La Land was actually entertaining and actual imagination and effort was put into it and if you want to call that Oscar bait, you minus well call Moonlight Oscar bait too and after that Best Picture snafu, Chazelle and crew had such class when it happened. Now imagine if it went the other way, how do think that would have gone?
BTW, Whiplash and Drumline are NOT the same movie despite what you believe.
I'll be the first to admit that the Oscars screws up A LOT with nominating movies that have no business being nominated and screwing over those that actually deserve it and not to mention that it's politically motivated as well (i.e.:Arquette speech) and with all this hype with diversity, it really a joke. The only time they care about diversity when it solely benefits their own group. Do you really think they care if Asians or Native Americans get a chance when women and African Americans are a higher priority?
Bottom Line: Keep politics far away from entertainment.

[SethRex]

Originally Posted by CelluloidPal

At least, La La Land was actually entertaining and actual imagination and effort was put into it and if you want to call that Oscar bait, you minus well call Moonlight Oscar bait too and after that Best Picture snafu, Chazelle and crew had such class when it happened. Now imagine if it went the other way, how do think that would have gone?

Dare I say it, there would probably have been cries of racism and prejudice. The controversy would probably have been 10 times worse, because of it. Would I be wrong?

[imsounoriginal]

I figured there'd be the obligatory Best Picture backlash against Moonlight eventually, I just didn't realize it was already happening.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I figured there'd be the obligatory Best Picture backlash against Moonlight eventually, I just didn't realize it was already happening.

Really? It practically happens over night for every winner, the Oscars thread was a dumpster fire right after the show for a couple weeks. I'd say the backlash would have been more vocal had more people seen it, but the majority of people complaining hadn't.

And to say no or minimum effort was put into Moonlight is simply absurd. Easy to say when you fail to realise how much work goes into a film, especially one as small as Moonlight.

[BigPudge]

Ya... we may have to agree to diagree on the "Awards Bait" thing... i dont think either Moonlight nor La La Land were "Oscar bait" movies but Moonlight hit at the exact right time on the Oscar Timeline to garner the awards it got.

I fully agree that Ali DESERVED the Oscar he got, not just for his role in Moonlight, but for a career of great acting.

And i respect the hell out of what the filmmakers did with Moonlight, i still dont get why it cost over a million dollars to make, but that is what it costs to make a movie i guess.

But La La Land will be thw film that stands the test of time, i truly believe that, it isnt an argumwnt that can be discuased right now cuz it is all conjecture, but in 10 years let us bring this thread back up and see which movoe (if any) is still in the Zeitgeist!

Oh ya... id hate to hear what Jada Pinkett would be saying had the best picture shit went the other way!

But full disclosure, i am still sour Stallone lost to Rylance a few years back, so i have strong views that mean nothing!

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Really? It practically happens over night for every winner, the Oscars thread was a dumpster fire right after the show for a couple weeks. I'd say the backlash would have been more vocal had more people seen it, but the majority of people complaining hadn't.

And to say no or minimum effort was put into Moonlight is simply absurd. Easy to say when you fail to realise how much work goes into a film, especially one as small as Moonlight.

I thought I was reading that people were pleasantly surprised to see Moonlight win, but maybe I'm confusing people on here with people I talked to in real life lol. Anyway, I enjoyed the hell out of both LLL and Moonlight; neither would've been my pick for Best Picture but I can't get upset about Moonlight winning. It's just too damn good. That's what happens most years anyway: the movie I would've picked doesn't win, but the actual winner is more than good enough anyway.

[Mr.F]

Originally Posted by CelluloidPal

At least, La La Land was actually entertaining and actual imagination and effort was put into it and if you want to call that Oscar bait, you minus well call Moonlight Oscar bait too and after that Best Picture snafu, Chazelle and crew had such class when it happened. Now imagine if it went the other way, how do think that would have gone?
BTW, Whiplash and Drumline are NOT the same movie despite what you believe.
I'll be the first to admit that the Oscars screws up A LOT with nominating movies that have no business being nominated and screwing over those that actually deserve it and not to mention that it's politically motivated as well (i.e.:Arquette speech) and with all this hype with diversity, it really a joke. The only time they care about diversity when it solely benefits their own group. Do you really think they care if Asians or Native Americans get a chance when women and African Americans are a higher priority?
Bottom Line: Keep politics far away from entertainment.

Yeah, they should keep politics out of art and entertainment because those things have NEVER EVER gone hand in hand.