Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Oh, and another thing, why are you telling anyone what their next priority should be? Your 4K TV is nowhere near to the "top of the line" and it never was, either. Nor is/was mine for that matter lest you think that I am just singling you out here. Why do you tell people to do what you yourself have not?

Have you placed an order for that 65" Song A9G TV? It only costs $3800 leaving you plenty left over to buy yourself a Kaleidescape for $4500+. I heard that it "completely blows streaming out of the water." Where did I hear that? Oh, that's right! It was from that video that you posted.

I'm pretty happy with my Sony 900E, if I were to upgrade mine it would be the 75X900F with the X1 Processor. I know mine is not the Top of the Line, but in 2017 it was rated high right behind the OLED's. I like the Android App Interface, it's real easy to access all my Streaming Providers. I don't have any problems accessing or Streaming from any Provider, and the PQ to my eyes is Fantastic!

I have always been fascinated by Kaleidescape, but just a bit too pricey. They got me started doing my own Blu-ray and DVD Back ups, I thought it's just a File on a Storage Device. Put that File on a Server and you have the same Quality. Now they are working with DV and HDR to bring that PQ up to Bitrates where most Streaming Providers can handle. Isn't Technology Wonderful?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm pretty happy with my Sony 900E, if I were to upgrade mine it would be the 75X900F with the X1 Processor. I know mine is not the Top of the Line, but in 2017 it was rated high right behind the OLED's. I like the Android App Interface, it's real easy to access all my Streaming Providers. I don't have any problems accessing or Streaming from any Provider, and the PQ to my eyes is Fantastic!

I have always been fascinated by Kaleidescape, but just a bit too pricy. They got me started doing my own Blu-ray and DVD Back ups, I thought it's just a File on a Storage Device. Put that File on a Server and you have the same Quality. Now they are working with DV and HDR to bring that PQ up to Bitrates where most Streaming Providers can handle. Isn't Technology Wonderful?

Just a bit too pricey, eh? Watch for a sale; maybe you can get one for 10% off on Black Friday. Are you willing to pay $30+ per download?

Hard drives, servers, and optical discs are ALL storage devices; why you have such an aversion to the latter is peculiar especially seeing as they last longer than the first two by a wide measure.

I like my TV a lot, too, even though there are better TVs out there. It does 3D and 4K both. I loves my 3D.

Technology is wonderful, except maybe for smartphones. Some people think that they are causing people to grown horns out of their heads. Really, I can't make this stuff up:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/21/healt...rnd/index.html

I can't wait to hear what steedeel makes of this report!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Just a bit too pricey, eh? Watch for a sale; maybe you can get one for 10% off on Black Friday. Are you willing to pay $30+ per download?

Hard drives, servers, and optical discs are ALL storage devices; why you have such an aversion to the latter is peculiar especially seeing as they last longer than the first two by a wide measure.

I like my TV a lot, too, even though there are better TVs out there. It does 3D and 4K both. I loves my 3D.

Technology is wonderful, except maybe for smartphones. Some people think that they are causing people to grown horns out of their heads. Really, I can't make this stuff up:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/21/healt...rnd/index.html

I can't wait to hear what steedeel makes of this report!

Yet another reason to burn the bloody things.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Wooooooo, wait a minute. I didn’t say thy don’t work hard. It’s their leisure activities relating to film and tv media that concern me.

You guys STILL don’t get it. Organisations like The English Premier League are looking at viewing stats for football and seeing a drop off of younger viewers. Those same people are engaging with content in shorter clips on social media. Don’t you see the potential parallel with film and tv here? People are sitting in meetings discussing how to make spirt more appealing to young people who don’t like to engage with long form content. What makes you think this won’t translate to film?

Do you mean the (primarily) young people who just spent $2.74 billion to see Avengers: Endgame, a 3 hour movie (after spending $2 billion to see Infinity Wars, a 2 1/2 hour movie)? Or are you referring to those who binge watch TV series of which a single season could be as long as 17 hours (not including commercials). Endgame is going to be re-released to theaters with even more footage.

If anything is happening, it's that consumers are moving away from watching live broadcasts of 30 minute or 1 hour TV shows (with 22 and 44 minute of actual content, respectively) in favor of binge watching multiple episodes at a time on streaming sites.

You seem obsessed with this idea that movies are going to get chopped up into short little segments. There is absolutely no evidence that that is ever going to be the case. None. Just because short segments of things show up on YouTube and social media sites doesn't mean anything. Consumers view those videos with a different attitude than the one they have when they watch TV shows and movies. Just because highlights of a sporting event or single bits from talk shows show up on social media and streaming sites doesn't mean that TV shows and movies are suddenly going to be reduced to 15-minute programs.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Do you mean the (primarily) young people who just spent $2.74 billion to see Avengers: Endgame, a 3 hour movie (after spending $2 billion to see Infinity Wars, a 2 1/2 hour movie)? Or are you referring to those who binge watch TV series of which a single season could be as long as 17 hours (not including commercials). Endgame is going to be re-released to theaters with even more footage.

If anything is happening, it's that consumers are moving away from watching live broadcasts of 30 minute or 1 hour TV shows (with 22 and 44 minute of actual content, respectively) in favor of binge watching multiple episodes at a time on streaming sites.

You seem obsessed with this idea that movies are going to get chopped up into short little segments. There is absolutely no evidence that that is ever going to be the case. None. Just because short segments of things show up on YouTube and social media sites doesn't mean anything. Consumers view those videos with a different attitude than the one they have when they watch TV shows and movies. Just because highlights of a sporting event or single bits from talk shows show up on social media and streaming sites doesn't mean that TV shows and movies are suddenly going to be reduced to 15-minute programs.

Again, time will tell. After all, we are dealing with a generation that more than likely watch streaming shows open in a pop up window while doing other things on their computer or tablet. I think all bets are off don’t you?

Besides, we face all kinds of threats to long form viewing. Scientists are saying prolonged sitting is the new smoking in relation to our health.

We have tree huggers trying to convince the world to go vegan and reduce our carbon footprint.

We have several mobile-only, short form streaming services coming that may disrupt long form viewing for millennials and younger.

Finally we have a Vegan movement that encourages one to be a ‘true Vegan’. This means no more tv screens, mobile screens, tablets, computers in one’s home because Liquid Crystal Displays contain animal cholesterol.

We live in a weird world, look how fast meat free products have entered the mainstream.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We have tree huggers trying to convince the world to go vegan and reduce our carbon footprint.

Probably the same tree huggers who are happy to jump on a plane to get to their next destination to lecture people on reducing their carbon footprint. Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

Besides, these vegans won't get very far with me. I'm not giving up my steak for anyone mate.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Probably the same tree huggers who are happy to jump on a plane to get to their next destination to lecture people on reducing their carbon footprint. Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

Besides, these vegans won't get very far with me. I'm not giving up my steak for anyone mate.

Same here. Moderation is the key. Cutting down sure. But giving up, no chance!

[The_Donster]

How can some many who are younger than me, sound older than me

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

How can some many who are younger than me, sound older than me

You don’t see the danger. It’s easy to fall into the trap of wanting to be liked by everyone. I just speak my mind.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

How can some many who are younger than me, sound older than me

Not that I frequent this thread very often, but I always imagined myself to be one of the oldest here at 53. I wish those numbers were the other way round.

[The_Donster]

The only ones falling into traps is those pigeonholing the “younger” generation. It is a cope out and has been the same from generation to generation for millennia’s. So when people bring up “kids these days!” argument it reminds me of every ending of a Scooby Doo cartoon

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by CV19

Not that I frequent this thread very often, but I always imagined myself to be one of the oldest here at 53. I wish those numbers were the other way round.

Me too mate, me too. I think I surprised the person I was interviewing yesterday when I said I’d been in the game for 20 years and not much gets past me

[CV19]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Me too mate, me too. I think I surprised the person I was interviewing yesterday when I said I’d been in the game for 20 years and not much gets past me

It's strange with me really. From my late teens right through to when I was in my 20s, I was often told I looked older than I actually was. Now I'm into my 50s, a couple of women I've known for years did tell me I looked younger. I'm assuming they weren't drunk at the time.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Same here. Moderation is the key. Cutting down sure. But giving up, no chance!

I agree with you. I've always believed even the foods that weren't particularly healthy, in moderation, were perfectly OK. I've always been a meat eater, and I don't have time for vegans who wish to impose their diet on me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

I agree with you. I've always believed even the foods that weren't particularly healthy, in moderation, were perfectly OK. I've always been a meat eater, and I don't have time for vegans who wish to impose their diet on me.

Exactly my take mate.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Again, time will tell. After all, we are dealing with a generation that more than likely watch streaming shows open in a pop up window while doing other things on their computer or tablet. I think all bets are off don’t you?

Besides, we face all kinds of threats to long form viewing. Scientists are saying prolonged sitting is the new smoking in relation to our health.

We have tree huggers trying to convince the world to go vegan and reduce our carbon footprint.

We have several mobile-only, short form streaming services coming that may disrupt long form viewing for millennials and younger.

Finally we have a Vegan movement that encourages one to be a ‘true Vegan’. This means no more tv screens, mobile screens, tablets, computers in one’s home because Liquid Crystal Displays contain animal cholesterol.

We live in a weird world, look how fast meat free products have entered the mainstream.

Following your thought processes is a curious odyssey to say the least. You have jumped form your trademark "short form content viewing by young people on mobile devices is a threat to movies" all the way to attacking vegans and environmentalists. You mention vegans twice like they are some radical terrorist group hellbent on ripping that cheeseburger from your greasy hands. Now, you have vegans coming after our TVs!

I will laugh no harder than this all day and I will share this fear of yours far and wide that others may have a good laugh, too.

Those same young people watch movies; they binge watch traditional length TV shows, and they buy big screen TVs. They enjoy the same things that you and I do and, apparently, quite a few things that you do not. You obsess about these perceived differences while being blind to the many behaviors that you have in common with them.

We have had short form video content dating back to the 19th century. There is also a website called youtube that is rather well known for the short videos it offers. Short form content has coexisted with long form content for over a century and it has not in any way adversely impacted long form content.

People sit for prolonged periods doing a wide range of activities from their office job, to reading a book, to playing a video game, to knitting a sweater, to staring into space, to growing old in a waiting room, and, yes, to even watching a movie.

Sitting for too long is unhealthy, but no one is going to regulate how long you or I sit doing anything. How long we spend seated is our choice, healthy or unhealthy, and that will not change no matter what we choose to do while so comfortably positioned.

None of the vegans that I have known have ever pressured me to do anything. They have shared their views with me and nothing more. I made my own choice as did they.

Even if there are extremist vegans who want to take your tacos and your TVs away, which I highly doubt, it will never happen. There has never been a shortage of extremist groups demanding any number of dramatic changes and the one thing that they all have in common is how colossally they fail at achieving their aims.

Meat free products have been offered for decades. I occasionally buy them myself and I have been doing so for over 30 years. Every meat product that I could possibly desire is still readily available.

We live in a diverse world, not a "weird" one, and I would not have it any other way. Labeling something as "weird" is usually just a negative emotional reaction to something beyond our very limited personal experience. Many people reflexively dislike things that they do not understand, so they slap a negative name on it. Human diversity is a wellspring of creativity that I welcome and that I celebrate.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

We live in a diverse world, not a "weird" one, and I would not have it any other way. Labeling something as "weird" is usually just a negative emotional reaction to something beyond our very limited personal experience. Many people reflexively dislike things that they do not understand, so they slap a negative name on it. Human diversity is a wellspring of creativity that I welcome and that I celebrate.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

None of the vegans that I have known have ever pressured me to do anything. They have shared their views with me and nothing more. I made my own choice as did they.

Exactly as it should be - we all make our own choices. But here in the UK, there have been one or two reports in the media where vegan groups have been protesting inside supermarkets next to the meat aisles attempting to discourage, even harassing shoppers from buying meat. I'm assuming the management would have shown them the door pretty quickly as otherwise customers would just buy elsewhere.

[Wendell R. Breland]

It appears AT&T has low hopes for SVOD DirecTV Now and big hopes on pending SVOD $15 WarnerMedia branded service (here).

“It’s a big opportunity for distribution. It’s a big opportunity for advertising,” Christopher said. “That SVOD product fits into our distribution product line of video very well.”

advertising, that makes it a non starter for me.I refuse to pay someone to show me adds .

[Integra1995]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Enjoying the best in quality and the best selection, by far, is in no way "going backwards." A vast number of excellent titles in my collection can not be found on subscription services and a large number are not available as a digital purchase, either. Streaming is useless if you want to see many of the greatest films ever made as well as many fantastic lesser known gems. If you only stream, you are missing out on a TON of wonderful titles.
You are the one being left behind by limiting yourself only to streaming services; the content they lack is immense. I, and others like me, who both purchase on disc and who also use streaming services, literally have the best of both worlds. You, on the other hand, arbitrarily deny yourself access to so many great movies because of your streaming only fixation and obsession. Just like with 4K disc players, you simply have no idea what you are missing.

I can't even find Panic Room wi5h Jodie Foster on
Blu-ray yet, but I have it on a DVD box set with 3 disc from Tower Records. I would never get rid of that.