Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Finally, someone who can post with a bit of class.

You should try learning from him, I agree.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You should try learning from him, I agree.

I’m not the one that has to make snarky comments all the time mate.

[The_Donster]

Oh no, you are quite innocent in all this aren’t you Steedeel

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m not the one that has to make snarky comments all the time mate.

Maybe not all the time, but you certainly make plenty of them when it suits you. You are not the forum angel that you pretend to be and if you really think that you are then you are growing more hypocritical by the hour.

I quoted several examples of your "class act" not all that long ago; need I refresh your memory...again?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Maybe not all the time, but you certainly make plenty of them when it suits you. You are not the forum angel that you pretend to be and if you really think that you are then you are growing more hypocritical by the hour.

I quoted several examples of your "class act" not all that long ago; need I refresh your memory...again?

I treat like with like.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Like ZoetMB said, it's all about ROI, just because Titles are coming out doesn't mean the Studios are making their money back at the Profit Margin they want. With Physical Media the Studios are scrambling to squeeze every penny out before the collapse of The Disc!

The issue is neither you nor Zoet understand what you are talking about.

ROI stands for return on investment. Sio you need to ask yourself what are you investing in. If we are talking about a car manufacturer they invest into the car factory, they invest in upgrading and retooling the assembly line they invest in engineering, in the materials of the car and the people building them and lastly in marketing. If we are talking a studio it invests in (possibly) lost and equipment, they do invest in making the film and marketing it. They don't invest in theatres or BD replicating lines or Apple, Vudu or Netflix (at least in any general way as it applies to films.


So a car company will maximize ROI by deciding what cars to produce and sell and what upgrades are worth it. A studio will maximize ROI buy making good decisions on what movie/TV show to produce and make it available on what ever format people a4re willing to pay the most for.

ROI is the exact reason why VHS lasted so very long and why physical media will probably never go away.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I treat like with like.

Do unto others as they have done unto you, so sayeth the benevolent Steedeel.

What you just said proves that you are no better than anyone else. You do nothing different than what most others would do. Therefore, you are no better than anyone else, so STOP PRETENDING THAT YOU ARE.

[Vilya]

I would so prefer to discuss my haiku hypothesis rather than the posting etiquette of certain forum members.

How come only your gets all the love & attention?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Not at all. I always acknowledged that any mobile service could become super popular. Short videos could become super popular. I've never disagreed with those predictions. They aren't a certainty but they're not improbable either. But the idea that their popularity will cause everything else to disappear or become marginal is asinine.

Additionally if the vast majority of people really do just want to watch short videos on their mobile devices then I'd have to be a huge jerk to say that they shouldn't be able to. I firmly believe in catering to the desires of all types of people. The fact that I don't want to watch short videos or that I don't want to watch anything on my phone or tablet doesn't mean that no one should have that option.

agree, just wanted to add that shorts have existed since the dawn of moving pictures, before ads took up the mantle when you went to the cinema there would always be a few shorts before the main attraction, it might have been news reels or stuff like WBs looney tunes.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I would so prefer to discuss my haiku hypothesis rather than the posting etiquette of certain forum members.

How come only your gets all the love & attention?

He’s been here 5 months seniority over you

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

He’s been here 5 months seniority over you

The importance of seniority just can't be overlooked...especially when those who think that they have a lot of it constantly remind you.

It mattered on the RR, sure, but who knew how important it would be on an internet forum?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Content creators seeking a much cheaper option of having their content bought for short form and then owning those rights after two years to stitch together for global distribution is a game changer. My theory is based in reality.

so, again nothing new, growing up I watched on TV looney tunes that were stitched together from the shorts shown before the films going back to the 30's

[octagon]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

...and it isn’t like you watch more than 5 channels old lady

I think Steedeel might be right about one thing. I think maybe you do say things on the internet you'd never have guts enough to say in real life

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

agree, just wanted to add that shorts have existed since the dawn of moving pictures, before ads took up the mantle when you went to the cinema there would always be a few shorts before the main attraction, it might have been news reels or stuff like WBs looney tunes.

Hardly the same. This is a direct to (mobile) consumer subscription service.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hardly the same. This is a direct to (mobile) consumer subscription service.

But it is the same. It is just a new way to deliver it and it isn’t the only option for consumers.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hardly the same. This is a direct to (mobile) consumer subscription service.

Essentially the same. No differences that matter.

People have been watching short subjects with their mobile devices for over a decade. I was watching them on my flip phone as far back as 2005 at least.

This is just another proposed and as yet unproven online source for short videos. Not the first source nor the only source. Just one among many.

It will do no harm to anything other than your blood pressure.

[Vilya]

Verizon tried something very similar to Quibi in 2015 called Go90. It failed.

From a Fortune article dated June 10, 2019:

"Additionally, let’s not forget when Verizon tried something similar in 2015. Verizon debuted its mobile video service Go90 in hopes of capturing a younger demographic that had ditched traditional TV in favor of watching videos on their phones. Verizon invested as much as $200 million early on to make Go90 work. But Go90 ultimately shut down after the service failed to gain traction with the public."

Quibi is not even a new idea. It has been tried before and it failed despite a sizable $200 million investment from Verizon.

"if Quibi can’t sign up customers who are willing to pay for a subscription, its clever approaches to content creation won’t really matter.

“If they don’t get the subscribers, and the cards are stacked against them getting subscribers, your series won’t be a hit, and who’s going to want to buy it?” wonders Dan Rayburn, who tracks streaming media for the consultancy Frost & Sullivan. “You don’t see people clamoring to rebroadcast stuff from go90,” he says."

The Fortune article's author made his own personal assessment here:

"I’m personally not convinced of the model (and I fall right in their target demographic, which is users who are 25 to 35 years old). I use Facebook and Instagram regularly.

Do I watch short-video content on Facebook Watch, Instagram TV, or Snap Originals? Never.

And that content is free. So would I pay for a mobile-video subscription? Absolutely not."

https://fortune.com/2019/06/10/term-...onday-june-10/

The article hints that there will be an IPO this fall or next spring, so you have plenty of time to save up and invest in Quibi seeing as you are so certain that it will be a "game changing" juggernaut that crushes all other forms of video entertainment.

[Vilya]

I am surprised that you are not warning us about Google's Stadia. Do you fear for the future of gaming, too?

Oh. Wait. I forgot that you already fully support and are in bed with, er, onboard with, online gaming, so there's no problem here, right? Never mind.

[stonesfan129]

Discless gaming is a fail waiting to happen. That will violate many ISP data caps. And when they make online games, it seems that they just do it so that they can push unfinished games to market and then add updates periodically. I wonder if movies will ever get to that point. Like they pull a George Lucas, put a movie out on streaming and then drop in all kind of effects and other stuff that were not in the original.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

This is just another proposed and as yet unproven online source for short videos. Not the first source nor the only source. Just one among many.

Just noticed VUDU has added a lot more titles with ads. IMHO, just more proof of providers and content owners continuing to look under rocks for dem der $$ .

Apparently Netflix is now trying to put a lid on spending (here). Sooner or later negative cash flow would catch up with them.