8K discussion thread

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

Right now Netflix, HULU, Amazon prime and a few others have 4K HDR content.
Cable does not meaning NBC,ABC, CBS. Some are still broadcasting in 720p!
CNN 720P some 1080p programing. And I doubt they will ever catch up. It's costs money for these corporations to retool. And as far as there concerned what there broadcasting in is good enough for the average viewer. As far as I'm concerned these guys can come out with 24K and it doesn't mean a thing ,they are cutting off there nose to spite there face.Another words it's going to bite them in the ass at some point.

Native 1080P/24 and 4K pay per view (on demand) movies exists on Direct TV satellite, but so far most cable TV companies use 1080i instead of 1080P. Only some cable TV companies offer on demand movies in 1080P and 4K.


Also CNN channels are native 1080i unless your cable company downscales the channel to 720P quality. Fox news channel is native 720P.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Momentum Signs Emerge In 8K UHD TV Ecosystem
https://hdguru.com/momentum-signs-em...-tv-ecosystem/

Reference HDGuru:

According to global shipment data and estimates from IHS market, 8K TV global shipments should total under 500,000 units in 2019 before climbing to 2 million units in 2020 with over 60-inch models representing the lion’s share of the market, IHS Markit estimates.

vs BusinessKorea 8 days ago

Worldwide 8K TV sales would total 215,000 this year, market research firm IHS Markit forecast on July 14. The figure is a drop of 30.4 percent from an estimated 309,000 units in April of last year and about half of the October 2018 forecast of 430,000 units. The figure fell 72.4 percent from a year ago. As has been pointed out, despite 8K TVs’ outstanding quality, there are not many contents yet, so 8K TVs still have a long way to go in its popularization.

However, the 8K TV market is expected to grow rapidly beginning next year. Next year, 8K TV sales is projected to hit 853,900 units which are more than four times more than this year’s. The figure will be 1,794,000 in 2021, 2,832,000 in 2022, and 3,739,900 in 2023.

So who's being honest here? HDGuru is telling us that IHS is predicting a lot more 8k sold then BusinessKorea using also IHS this year and the next.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Reference HDGuru:



vs BusinessKorea 8 days ago



So who's being honest here? HDGuru is telling us that IHS is predicting a lot more 8k sold then BusinessKorea using also IHS this year and the next.

They are . . . . predictions . . . educated guesses. There are a number of things that can affect said predictions such as the TV manufacturers getting impatient and start prematurely lowering their prices. Another could be getting the new VCC compression codec out of the labs and into the marketplace sooner.

The last thing the TV OEMs need is for the media to judge 8K an unworthy upgrade for consumers. They have nothing in the wings should that happen. If 8K doesn't flourish, the TV OEMs will be in VERY bad shape.

[BerryTheMusicMan]

Sticking with 4K cause it exist in a supported physical medium and with my old eyes I won';t be able to see the difference past 4K .

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The last thing the TV OEMs need is for the media to judge 8K an unworthy upgrade for consumers. They have nothing in the wings should that happen. If 8K doesn't flourish, the TV OEMs will be in VERY bad shape.

Well they should be careful about claiming their 8K TV's are a total solution . . .right?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Well they should be careful about claiming their 8K TV's are a total solution . . .right?

One thing never changes when it comes to claims made by the TV OEMs . . . each new platform, be it EDTV, HDTV, Full HDTV, 3DTV, 4KTV and now 8KTV . . . is a "total solution."

[DavePS3]

Got the Samsung QN65Q900 (8K) and it is really impressive. Every source I run into it looks better. It's about the up-conversion and AI processing that it does and for me, I'm running:

Broadcast TV (antenna)
PS4-Pro
Xbox One
Asus PC (running at 4K hdr)
Panasonic DPUB820 4K BD (playing 4K BD, BD, DVD on different settings.
PS3
PS2 PS1
Xbox360
Xbox
Laserdisc (Pioneer)
Samsung 4K BD player (for some discs the Pana' doesn't play)
Pioneer DVD/recorder
Netflix 4K, Amazon Prime 4K through the TV itself.

Now, because I'm pretty picky on PQ, I see differences like, less noise but increased fine detail. Color is more solid, more shades of color and with the full array and many more dimming zones, better blacks with increased detail in those blacks along with more grayscale.

Running the PS4-Pro for example, on Division2 in Sammy's Freesynch game mode... no lag at all, running at the native frame rate of the game, or I can shut that off and do my own settings but point being, smoother image, more detail, more shades of color, better blacks and bear in mind, this is all compared to my QN65Q9 (2017), which I really liked. For ME... this panel made perfect sense but for the average person... probably not, especially if said person is just watching Cable and a bit of Netflix.

[sapiendut]

Ummm, you can’t have a single more colour than UHD, it uses the same colour pallettes as UHD.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

Got the Samsung QN65Q900 (8K) and it is really impressive. Every source I run into it looks better. It's about the up-conversion and AI processing that it does and for me, I'm running:

Broadcast TV (antenna)
PS4-Pro
Xbox One
Asus PC (running at 4K hdr)
Panasonic DPUB820 4K BD (playing 4K BD, BD, DVD on different settings.
PS3
PS2 PS1
Xbox360
Xbox
Laserdisc (Pioneer)
Samsung 4K BD player (for some discs the Pana' doesn't play)
Pioneer DVD/recorder
Netflix 4K, Amazon Prime 4K through the TV itself.

Now, because I'm pretty picky on PQ, I see differences like, less noise but increased fine detail. Color is more solid, more shades of color and with the full array and many more dimming zones, better blacks with increased detail in those blacks along with more grayscale.

Running the PS4-Pro for example, on Division2 in Sammy's Freesynch game mode... no lag at all, running at the native frame rate of the game, or I can shut that off and do my own settings but point being, smoother image, more detail, more shades of color, better blacks and bear in mind, this is all compared to my QN65Q9 (2017), which I really liked. For ME... this panel made perfect sense but for the average person... probably not, especially if said person is just watching Cable and a bit of Netflix.

You could've had all of this with a 4K TV, and saved yourself a couple thousand dollars. You don't need a 8K TV to watch cable, Netflix and play video games.

[DavePS3]

Missing the point entirely guys. Jesus... i had 4K, im saying there are noticeable differences between the Q9 i had and the Q900 8K with the AI chip. Whether you are open to what im saying or just wanna put your heads into the sand doesnt change what i see, what i experience. Im not trying to sell you a goddamn tv, im stating the differences at my end. Get it?????

[sapiendut]

I agree with everything, but the 900 does not upscale the colours of UHD. Hence you can not have more colours than 4K. Everything else is also what I found when I calibrated the 900. Colour accuracy is also weird throughout the spectrum. Bit I really like the solidity of the colours. Watching it from 9ft away one can easily see the colour and image density.

[Jacob The Great]

The only thing that will feasibly be in native 8K in the near future would be older games.
I can't wait to play the Half-Life series in 8K.

[Blu350z]

If a person wants to get a large tv but sit closer to a tv as usual then a 8K tv makes sense, for the same pixel density as a 40-43” 4k the 85” 8K will have around the same pixel density.

I think everyone is thinking too much about the resolution, if the person wants the brightest tv, best price for a high end large tv and upscaling is far superior than when 4k first came out, gaming devices that support the resolution is here (PC) and consoles a year later...then 8K tv would be a great option.

[Robert Zohn]

I was testing AirPlay to our new HU85LA, which works beautifully.

To see the dirrerence in image quality I used the same picture and AirPlayed it to severall other 4K and our 2 8K TVs in the showroom and I cna tell with with 100% certnity that the 8K TV cleaned up the iPhone images significantly better than any of the 4K TVs.

Unquestionably, the 8K TVs are scaling low resolution images far better then the best 4K TVs can do.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I was testing AirPlay to our new HU85LA, which works beautifully.

To see the dirrerence in image quality I used the same picture and AirPlayed it to severall other 4K and our 2 8K TVs in the showroom and I cna tell with with 100% certnity that the 8K TV cleaned up the iPhone images significantly better than any of the 4K TVs.

Unquestionably, the 8K TVs are scaling low resolution images far better then the best 4K TVs can do.

Quantify significant image quality improvement? iPhone image quality is not great with their optics, actually so so compared to a good megapixel camera. I think you are stressing the 8K sets are capable of miracles.

[Robert Zohn]

I was very suprised to see the significantly cleaner pictures from my iPhone on the 8K TVs vs. the best 4K TVs. The images has much reduced artifacts, less ringing, less noise and curves objects were not jagged.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I was very suprised to see the significantly cleaner pictures from my iPhone on the 8K TVs vs. the best 4K TVs. The images has much reduced artifacts, less ringing, less noise and curves objects were not jagged.

Most photography tools such as Apple Photos 5.0 yield superior image quality from raw images imported into that environment. Try comparing images on a good computer display used for photography versus non-8K content on a 8K TV. I get that the 8K display makes a wonderful image presentation whether its significantly better or marginally better I would have to see. Apple still implements HDR on only certain gear which is a pity.

[Robert Zohn]

Hope you will visit NY and stop by our store to see how we have our showroom set-up.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I was very suprised to see the significantly cleaner pictures from my iPhone on the 8K TVs vs. the best 4K TVs. The images has much reduced artifacts, less ringing, less noise and curves objects were not jagged.

The source is still...average at best.


Try some phones with better optics.

[Robert Zohn]

Yes, which makes the point even more important that low grade video can be so greatly imporved with latest processing technics and powerful well tuned chip sets.

I reported exactly what I saw and was a suprised any anyone would be at the results.