Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel is correct you don't look at any Links Posted. You are a smart guy, doesn't it make sense that Adaptive Streaming needs two way communication? With the CDN two way communication is vital to set up the proper Streaming Content. CDN Servers rely on this communication to set everything up. The Server will set up like a Local one.

The answer is No, Yes, irrelevant.

Let me explain. let's say there is a video player, the video player get's the data and keeps statistics if the stats are bad, it can send "degrade quality" if the stats are too good and it can go higher it can send "push up the quality". So if you are in sweet spot there is no reason to send back feedback, if on the other hand it needs to lower or up the quality it needs to send a signal but we are still taking just a few bits. nothing compared to me typing this post. the simple fact that you were able to pick something to watch is proof that you have way more BW then is needed for the adaptive streaming signal. It is not like the data that is sent to you needs to be sent back so the guy there can see if the playback quality is good enough so he can decided to change it or not.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

The answer is No, Yes, irrelevant.

Let me explain. let's say there is a video player, the video player get's the data and keeps statistics if the stats are bad, it can send "degrade quality" if the stats are too good and it can go higher it can send "push up the quality". So if you are in sweet spot there is no reason to send back feedback, if on the other hand it needs to lower or up the quality it needs to send a signal but we are still taking just a few bits. nothing compared to me typing this post. the simple fact that you were able to pick something to watch is proof that you have way more BW then is needed for the adaptive streaming signal. It is not like the data that is sent to you needs to be sent back so the guy there can see if the playback quality is good enough so he can decided to change it or not.

If he can't read and grasp the simple chart that Wendell provided, twice, he won't get your analogy, either. All you have done is to add your name to the long list of those whom he believes to be wrong. Welcome to the club. We have cookies!

[The_Donster]

Is everyone happy now I thought not

[Vilya]

My internet and home theater usage throughout the year is fairly constant. Below is a graph that shows my power usage over the past year:

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Notice that my power usage peaks, more than doubles even, during the coldest months of the year.

My total expenditure on electricity over the past year was $1818.17. The energy star rating on a typical 65" LG LED TV states that the annual operating cost is $21 PER YEAR. That is 1.16% of my entire annual electricity expenditure. Reducing my TV viewing time clearly is not going to do much to lessen my carbon footprint and I won't save much money in the bargain, either.

You can find the energy star rating of any make and model of TV online. Best Buy's website, for one example, provides this information on every TV that they sell.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

My internet and home theater usage throughout the year is fairly constant. Below is a graph that shows my power usage over the past year:

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Notice that my power usage peaks, more than doubles even, during the coldest months of the year.

My total expenditure on electricity over the past year was $1818.17. The energy star rating on a typical 65" LG LED TV states that the annual operating cost is $21 PER YEAR. That is 1.16% of my entire annual electricity expenditure. Reducing my TV viewing time clearly is not going to do much to lessen my carbon footprint and I won't save much money in the bargain, either.

You can find the energy star rating of any make and model of TV online. Best Buy's website, for one example, provides this information on every TV that they sell.

Video demand on the net is growing at a scary rate every year. Think of all the millions who are streaming video. It’s a very heavy burden and as the population increases it’s going to be gigantic.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Doesn't it make sense that Adaptive Streaming needs two way communication? With the CDN two way communication is vital to set up the proper Streaming Content. CDN Servers rely on this communication to set everything up. The Server will set up like a Local one.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

The answer is No, Yes, irrelevant.

Let me explain. let's say there is a video player, the video player get's the data and keeps statistics if the stats are bad, it can send "degrade quality" if the stats are too good and it can go higher it can send "push up the quality". So if you are in sweet spot there is no reason to send back feedback, if on the other hand it needs to lower or up the quality it needs to send a signal but we are still taking just a few bits. nothing compared to me typing this post. the simple fact that you were able to pick something to watch is proof that you have way more BW then is needed for the adaptive streaming signal. It is not like the data that is sent to you needs to be sent back so the guy there can see if the playback quality is good enough so he can decided to change it or not.

I know you don't need that much BW up, but having Symmetrical doesn't hurt. I Retired from the Telco Industry, and worked my way up from running jumpers to a Service Manager setting up a lot of those Fiber Muxes so I know Data travels in Packets with Addressing. I'm not having the Streaming problems like you guys. Can you Stream from all of your Providers with no problems? If you can't then something is wrong. Do you think it might be communication? I have 85Mbps Symmetrical, but when it fell below 50Mbps up I had problems. I usually Stream in HD, and to me it's Disc Quality. So if you are not getting this them something is wrong with your Streaming Access!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I know you don't need that much BW up, but having Symmetrical doesn't hurt. I Retired from the Telco Industry, and worked my way up from running jumpers to a Service Manager setting up a lot of those Fiber Muxes so I know Data travels in Packets with Addressing. I'm not having the Streaming problems like you guys. Can you Stream from all of your Providers with no problems? If you can't then something is wrong. Do you think it might be communication? I have 85Mbps Symmetrical, but when it fell below 50Mbps up I had problems. I usually Stream in HD, and to me it's Disc Quality. So if you are not getting this them something is wrong with your Streaming Access!

I retired from the railroad and I invented the choo-choo.

With that "logic" it wouldn't hurt to have 10 Gbps internet service, either. No one said that having symmetrical internet speeds "hurt" anything; it is just not necessary for streaming videos. Your career background only makes your inability to understand this all the more confounding.

If I have no problems streaming from 9 out of 10 sources, where do you the think the problem most likely lies? With my ISP, my home network, or with the one problematic provider? Receiving a reliable video stream depends on far more than just how good of an internet service/ connection I have. You ought to know this, but it seems to escape you every time.

If you want to incorrectly think that a 3.5 Mbps HD stream is equivalent to a blu-ray disc that can reach a maximum bitrate of 48 Mbps, then be as delusional as you wanna be; no one really cares if you can not tell the difference between them. Everyone else here can.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Video demand on the net is growing at a scary rate every year. Think of all the millions who are streaming video. It’s a very heavy burden and as the population increases it’s going to be gigantic.

Population growth will strain the power grid and many others things besides like food production, to name just one.

If I had a household of 10 with each person using a 65" LED 4K TV all running for the same amount of time they would still only represent 10.5% of my annual power expenditure assuming that these squatters did not also increase the power consumption anywhere else, which of course they would, and that would make that percentage far lower.

[The_Donster]

Can we please stop with the outdated employment history alchav21? Clearly you haven’t been keeping up with things or you’d know what you were actually talking about.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Can we please stop with the outdated employment history alchav21? Clearly you haven’t been keeping up with things or you’d know what you were actually talking about.

He lacks ‘real life experiences’ , that's The problem.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

He lacks ‘real life experiences’ , that's The problem.

Aren't you the catty one?

The irony is that he retired in 1996 well before the internet even existed for many people, yet magically his work experience somehow applies here and now 23 years later. It's actually worse if it did apply as he is still wrong virtually every time that he posts on the subject.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Aren't you the catty one?

The irony is that he retired long before the internet was much more than a concept, yet magically his work experience somehow applies here.

Holy shit! Steedeel dropping some actual knowledge, Vilya

[The_Donster]

Oh, forgot to thank you for the digital codes Vilya. Thanks to you I have The Doors and The Big Lebowski in my digital library

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Oh, forgot to thank you for the digital codes Vilya. Thanks to you I have The Doors and The Big Lebowski in my digital library

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

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Oh, forgot to thank you for the digital codes Vilya. Thanks to you I have The Doors and The Big Lebowski in my digital library

You're welcome.

Notice how I put your large gif behind spoiler tags in my reply? It's just my small way of saving movies, TVs, and the environment. ^Unlike the Prophet of Doom above me.

I have video games that need playing, so away I go. I hope the world doesn't end while I'm gone.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Is my generosity and his gratitude somehow a problem for you, little Padawan?

[The_Donster]

I’m killing time before I head out on a 2 hour drive to Dallas to pick The Mrs up.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Aren't you the catty one?

The irony is that he retired in 1996 well before the internet even existed for many people, yet magically his work experience somehow applies here and now 23 years later. It's actually worse if it did apply as he is still wrong virtually every time that he posts on the subject.

The Internet was well under way in 1996, and Packet Switching was in development. The basics for the Railroad is the Rails right, so the basics for the Internet is the Data. Packet Switching relies on Packet Addressing, and the CDN uses this Addressing to deliver it's content. The Telco's controlled the Fiber Backbone, so having access to this would give you Streaming stability. You guys haven't answered my question, if you are having problems then something is wrong. If you're not then things are okay!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The basics for the Railroad is the Rails right, so the basics for the Internet is the Data.

Are you implying that the railroad industry hasn't changed since the 1700s?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Internet was well under way in 1996, and Packet Switching was in development. The basics for the Railroad is the Rails right, so the basics for the Internet is the Data. Packet Switching relies on Packet Addressing, and the CDN uses this Addressing to deliver it's content. The Telco's controlled the Fiber Backbone, so having access to this would give you Streaming stability. You guys haven't answered my question, if you are having problems then something is wrong. If you're not then things are okay!

As of December 1996, only 36 million people worldwide had internet service; that was just 0.9% of the Earth's population at the time. It was still in its infancy. It was nowhere near to being "well under way." I had internet service then; very, very, very few others did.

You continually demonstrate your lack of knowledge, lack of memory, or both.

https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm

I did answer your previous question even though your current wording of it is not only NOT an actual question, it is a nonsensically obvious statement. "If blah blah, then nyuck nyuck" is a conditional statement, not a question.

If there is a problem, something is wrong. It's an epiphany!

You failed to answer my questions, so I will give you another shot at it:

If I can stream perfectly with 9 out of 10 streaming sources, where does the problem most likely exist? My ISP, my home network, or the ONE problematic provider? Here's a hint: it is not the first two.