Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Penguin with his new found sense of humour. Not funny like but never mind.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Was that supposed to be a sentence?

Yes! It’s north east of England dialogue.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by veritas

I have a feeling the theater industry is going to have its worst year in a couple of decades this year. With social distancing and lack of cleaning in theaters concessions are going to be be none existent this year. Also foot traffic will probably be way down and theaters will either close or have minimized occupancy if Italy is any guide.


I wonder if it could get bad enough that companies just skip the theaters or most will simply try to push their releases to next year.

man looking at fandango... theaters are actually totally empty already around me not as much risk I suppose if your the only one in the theater.

What about skip the Theaters, skip Disc, go straight to Streaming, what a novel idea. The Studios could keep their Timeline on Movie Distribution. People could just stay home and watch their Movies and TV Shows!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What about skip the Theaters, skip Disc, go straight to Streaming, what a novel idea. The Studios could keep their Timeline on Movie Distribution. People could just stay home and watch their Movies and TV Shows!

Actually, I think you could be

[Show spoiler]wrong

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What about skip the Theaters, skip Disc, go straight to Streaming, what a novel idea. The Studios could keep their Timeline on Movie Distribution. People could just stay home and watch their Movies and TV Shows!

Wow! what an astoundingly bad idea! That alone makes it novel, alright. The studios should forego billions in box office receipts and just put all of their expensive new movies on streaming because $10 per month subscription streaming fees combined with all of those non-paying users on shared accounts are more lucrative than charging $10-$20 per person per viewing per movie.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What about skip the Theaters, skip Disc, go straight to Streaming, what a novel idea. The Studios could keep their Timeline on Movie Distribution. People could just stay home and watch their Movies and TV Shows!

Do you ever think any of this stupid crap through before actually posting it?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Do you ever think any of this stupid crap through before actually posting it?

The following may apply to that poster:

Mark Twain quote:

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

I have dealt with a lot of people with tunnel vision but none had it as bad as the poster in question.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I have dealt with a lot of people with tunnel vision but none had it as bad as the poster in question.

Talk about tunnel vision, at least some of you guys are ready to access various Source Content. I have said that Copper is Obsolete as an Infrastructure, so we are headed for a Fiber Network where we can access any Content. These Multimedia Servers could be placed anywhere, on your Local Network, ISP, or Remote Location. Welcome to The Future!

[Steedeel]

I bet Vilya is dying to answer!

Not too long to wait until you back with us, hang in there!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You have nothing else to say about your horrendously bad idea for studios to skip theatrical releases and give up on billions of dollars of revenue? You're just going to pretend you never said it?

Here again you guys are very narrow minded, some people's Home Theater are equal to or better than Theaters. So the Studios could charge appropriately for First Run Movies, and Distribute them for Home Theaters over the Fiber Network. I think this day could come soon and the Studios will be in the chips again making their Billions!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Here again you guys are very narrow minded, some people's Home Theater are equal to or better than Theaters. So the Studios could charge appropriately for First Run Movies, and Distribute them for Home Theaters over the Fiber Network. I think this day could come soon and the Studios will be in the chips again making their Billions!

We want to own our films in HQ. We can already watch cinema quality with UHD on our projectors. I’m considering getting a laser projector in the next couple of years. Why pay a one off large amount when we can buy the film and enjoy it multiple times.

As for the masses, they don’t care enough about films to do that. They just wait for them to drop on Netflix or Amazon.

[cheez avenger]

Disney has just released Rise of Skywalker early via Digital. They're going to release Frozen 2 tomorrow on Disney+.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Disney has just released Rise of Skywalker early via Digital. They're going to release Frozen 2 tomorrow on Disney+.

Rejoice!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So the Studios could charge appropriately for First Run Movies, and Distribute them for Home Theaters over the Fiber Network.

Been under that rock again? The studios, don’t remember which ones, have already tried that. Must have not have gone over very well.

I have already pointed out to you that many last mile copper served users get their data via fiber, its called FTTN. I am one of those, my speed > 3 times your fiber speed.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Watched the fist episode of Seven Worlds, One Planet (UHD Blu-ray) last night. The Dolby Atmos audio track was a delight, the picture quality was top notch and Roger Deakins would probably approve of the cinematography.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Once a high quality version is available to watch at home it will immediately be pirated. If the only version available to rent is high priced then most people will pirate instead.

Additionally people will compare prices to other similar products: many people are willing to pay $10-$20 per person per viewing at the theater because that's the standard price for all movies. But hardly anyone is going to rent a movie for $20 or more when lots of other movies are available to rent for $3-$6. There is also no way for studios to charge per person at home.

Don't worry Penguin the Movie or Show will come out on Disc later in the Format which is Cost Effective and Market Driven. Prices are all determined by the Market. If the Market for that Disc meets the Profit Margin, it will continue.

[cgpublic]

I don't know about you, but when I read about things remaining the way as they were after a major disruption, e.g., a global pandemic and the associated changes to societal perceptions and related behavior, the skeptic in me always treats such statements as wishful thinking.

Which is perfectly understandable. All of us wish things could go back to the way we were, before a cough or sneeze in a movie theater was a potential harbinger of illness or death.

That said, there are going to be winners and losers after COVID-19 shakes out and creates a 'new normal.'

While it is true that studios derive revenue from multiple channels, not only are all channels not created equal relative to profit and risk, not every channel offers the benefit of increasing and maximizing shareholder value for the 'new normal.'

The question one needs to ask in the context of the present pandemic is simply which channels are the least dependent on external variables which lead to greater risk, e.g., theater chains, brick and mortar POS, etc., and which are not, e.g., streaming.

So, now would be a good time to consider the 'new normal' as we self quarantine, practice our social distancing skills and movie theaters begin to close.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

I don't know about you, but when I read about things remaining the way as they were after a major disruption, e.g., a global pandemic and the associated changes to societal perceptions and related behavior, the skeptic in me always treats such statements as wishful thinking.

Which is perfectly understandable. All of us wish things could go back to the way we were, before a cough or sneeze in a movie theater was a potential harbinger of illness or death.

That said, there are going to be winners and losers after COVID-19 shakes out and creates a 'new normal.'

While it is true that studios derive revenue from multiple channels, not only are all channels not created equal relative to profit and risk, not every channel offers the benefit of increasing and maximizing shareholder value for the 'new normal.'

The question one needs to ask in the context of the present pandemic is simply which channels are the least dependent on external variables which lead to greater risk, e.g., theater chains, brick and mortar POS, etc., and which are not, e.g., streaming.

So, now would be a good time to consider the 'new normal' as we self quarantine, practice our social distancing skills and movie theaters begin to close.

Have a word with yourself mate. At the very least, people like to go out and socialise. People are not going to just stop all that stuff when things go back to normal.

Pretty sure I can tell where you are going with this conversation though if other threads are any indication.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Do you not understand how viruses work? People get sick, their immune system kills the virus, and then they can't get sick from the same virus again.

close but not exactly. When a new virus comes into you
1) your body does not recognize it as a threat and let's it to do its thing.
2) it realizes there is something wrong and tries to find the key to stop it
3) it finds the key and starts mass producing it to fight that virus
4) you get well.

Now

a) if you get that exact same virus again when in step 3 or soon after 4 your body has a lot of left over keys and there is no time for you to get sick again. (but you can spread it)
b) If it has been a long time then step 1 & 2 are skipped and it starts mass producing the keys to stop that virus and you don't get as sick
c) if the virus has slightly mutated then you start of in step 2 and with a bit head start (i.e. the new key will be close to the old key and so needs some minor tweaks). For example https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid...ains-1.5487672 there are already two strains of Covid-19. That is why vaccines work you get a bit of cowpox that won't make you very sick and when you get chickenpox your body has a head start and you get to step 3 faster.

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Then why do I get the common flu again and again? (Seriously asking)

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

The "common flu" is actually millions of different viruses. You can't get the same flu multiple times.

yup. There are many they are also separated in 4 genera (A,B,C,D- with the first three having been found in humans) And A is subdivided into many serotypes (for example H1N1 - swine flu or H5N1 - avian flu ) that is why there is also so much varying success with the flu shot, if they gamble on the wrong type in the vaccine the vaccine won't be as effective (i.e. to go back to my analogy your body will need to do a lot more work to make the right key

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Once a high quality version is available to watch at home it will immediately be pirated. If the only version available to rent is high priced then most people will pirate instead.

Additionally people will compare prices to other similar products: many people are willing to pay $10-$20 per person per viewing at the theater because that's the standard price for all movies. But hardly anyone is going to rent a movie for $20 or more when lots of other movies are available to rent for $3-$6. There is also no way for studios to charge per person at home.

exactly