Disney+'s - WandaVision (Season 1)

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Of course there is someone manipulating her. She has no.power over the boys or Agnes.

Exactly.

And Agnes has been very sus so far. She is definitely involved with this whole thing. Lets take a look at the clues:

-She keeps mentioning a husband that hasn't appeared anywhere on the show.

-Herb was acting pretty strange (cutting through the wall) and was about to tell Vision that they are all (fill in blank). But Agnes pretty much stopped him from saying what he was going to say.

-Agnes flat out asked Wanda if she wanted to "re-do the scene" again.

-Agnes wants the kids to keep growing for some reason and the fact that everything kept changing right in front of her, and she did not seem to care is very weird.

-Agnes said she was going to give the kids liquor, the camera moves away from her and when the camera turns back the kids start growing again.

- Agnes miraculously finds the kids dead dog. (I think she killed it on purpose to try and get the kids to grow even more)

There is definitely something more going on than just Wanda.

I would be shocked if Mephisto isn't the villain. It just makes so much more sense given everything thats been going on.

[JayTL]

I kinda hope Agnes is a red herring as well. It's a little too obvious at this point.

Maybe that's the point.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Exactly.

And Agnes has been very sus so far. She is definitely involved with this whole thing. Lets take a look at the clues:

-She keeps mentioning a husband that hasn't appeared anywhere on the show.

-Herb was acting pretty strange (cutting through the wall) and was about to tell Vision that they are all (fill in blank). But Agnes pretty much stopped him from saying what he was going to say.

-Agnes flat out asked Wanda if she wanted to "re-do the scene" again.

-Agnes wants the kids to keep growing for some reason and the fact that everything kept changing right in front of her, and she did not seem to care is very weird.

-Agnes said she was going to give the kids liquor, the camera moves away from her and when the camera turns back the kids start growing again.

- Agnes miraculously finds the kids dead dog. (I think she killed it on purpose to try and get the kids to grow even more)

There is definitely something more going on than just Wanda.

I would be shocked if Mephisto isn't the villain. It just makes so much more sense given everything thats been going on.

A lot of this, makes a lot of sense. But I think Mephisto’s reveal will be in a season finale end credits scene. Setting up the next Dr. Strange film.

Also, not sure if this has been pointed out. If you subtract a few letters from the name Agatha Harkness, you’d be left with Agnes.

[JeffTheMovieGuy]

Originally Posted by spanky87

I think Marvel will be cowards if it’s revealed someone else is behind all this, and it’ll take away the most fascinating aspect of this storyline. The last two episodes were the most brilliantly messed up thing the MCU has done because of the implication that Wanda’s inability to deal with grief is causing her to use her powers in amoral ways. They need to double down on that and explore it more.

She can have a redemption arc later on.

I think it'll be interesting if it's both: Wanda's inability to deal with grief would make her perfect to manipulate plus there's no real way to stop her once the cat is out of the bag.

Plus if they have a Saw-like reveal on who really is manipulating her and then

[Show spoiler]use her children and Vision against her to control her

that's the true villain I've waited 13 years to finally show up in one of these flicks.

[JayTL]

The villain is a combo of:
1. Mephisto- I guess, I really don't know the character too well
2. Agnes, same as above
3. Cyberpunk, influencing Wanda to keep the Fox-Men alive.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by JayTL

The villain is a combo of:
1. Mephisto- I guess, I really don't know the character too well
2. Agnes, same as above
3. Cyberpunk, influencing Wanda to keep the Fox-Men alive.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by JayTL

The villain is a combo of:
1. Mephisto- I guess, I really don't know the character too well
2. Agnes, same as above
3. Cyberpunk, influencing Wanda to keep the Fox-Men alive.

Mephisto is pretty much the Devil.

He is the one that made people forget Peter was Spider-man. With him it is a favor for a price.

Agatha Harkness is the person that trained Wanda to use her powers, and was unable to do so because Wanda was so powerful.

[Show spoiler]In the comics the boys were fragments of Mephisto's soul.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Mephisto is pretty much the Devil.

He is the one that made people forget Peter was Spider-man. With him it is a favor for a price.

Agatha Harkness is the person that trained Wanda to use her powers, and was unable to do so because Wanda was so powerful.

[Show spoiler]In the comics the boys were fragments of Mephisto's soul.

And what of option 3?

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by JayTL

And what of option 3?

We still have not seen Agnes' husband right?

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by mwynn

We still have not seen Agnes' husband right?

Have we seen Cyber and Mephisto in the same room before?

[Chaotic]

[JohnAV]

Kinda interesting to relate to who died and who got disintegrated (blipped) during Infinity War. WandaVision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki are examples of characters impacted by death or blip that are returning to life after that.

[JohnAV]

WandaVision Showrunner Talks SPOILER’s Introduction to the MCU - ComingSoon.net 2/9/2020

Following the debut of WandaVision’s fifth episode last week, Marvel fans are still losing their minds over the surprise appearance of Evan Peters as Pietro and the implication it has on the future of the MCU. For those who aren’t familiar with Fox’s X-Men films, Peters previously portrayed Quicksilver in three of those including 2014’s Days of Future Past, 2016’s Apocalypse, and 2019’s Dark Phoenix. His portrayal was received well by fans due to his memorable solo scenes.

Now in a recent interview with Marvel.com, WandaVision showrunner Jac Schaeffer has finally opened up about Peters’ introduction to the MCU, revealing that the idea of the character’s inclusion came early on from her and executive producer Mary Livanos with Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige also on board. However, Schaeffer admitted that the process of making their mind-blowing idea into a reality was difficult as they need to make sure that Evan Peters’ arrival made sense.

“We loved the idea of [bringing him back],” Schaeffer said. “And then we were like, how in the world are we going to make this make logical sense? Like, how do we justify this? Because that’s the thing, you can hatch a million great ideas, but to make them land, to make them be grounded, to make them feel organic to the larger story.”

“We thought like, how do we give him this entrance, and then enjoy that, and then make it crazy? And we had long had the idea of the trope of the brother, or the relative, or whoever comes to town and like, stirs things up with the family — that sitcom trope,” She continued. “Everybody was really excited. I think Kevin [Feige, Marvel Studios president] wanted to make sure that there was a reason for it, that it made sense. And I hope that’s what we did.”

Schaeffer also went on to praise Evan Peters’ commitment and willingness to try anything for the series, “We were rooting for it for so long, and didn’t know if it would be possible. It was complicated to make happen. Evan was always up for it — like, always, always, always. He is a comic book fan, and a Marvel fan. He is always up for the absolute weirdest option. And he’s a pleasure — truly a pleasure to work with.”

[The Fallen Deity]

It's Mephisto guys. The twins are the biggest giveaway. If you know your comic lore, you'll know what I'm on about.

Also Agnes is Agatha Harkness, calling it now. It all fits.

My theory is that we'll get him, then once he's defeated and the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom are introduced, Galactus will be the next big bad.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

It's Mephisto guys. The twins are the biggest giveaway. If you know your comic lore, you'll know what I'm on about.

Also Agnes is Agatha Harkness, calling it now. It all fits.

My theory is that we'll get him, then once he's defeated and the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom are introduced, Galactus will be the next big bad.

Another discussion concerning who's the big bad running things.
The show went out of its way to point out that to bring Vision back she had to steal his remains. Sparky’s death was necessary to show that Wanda isn’t in full control of Westview and what happens there.

So Peters’ Quicksilver lands on her doorstep and is he really him? How she could bring him back if Pietro died years ago and thus she would have no access to his body.

If she doesn’t really have the power of bringing people back from the dead then is that really Peters’ Quicksilver or someone else?

How about if Lord Chaos is the big bad?

Agatha fights alongside Wanda and the spirit of her biological mother, Natalya Maximoff against a physical manifestation of Chaos which is attempting to destroy witchcraft. The two spirits channel their magic through Wanda and, after Quicksilver is summoned, they manage to defeat the being once and for all although this has gravely wounded Order, the Goddess of Witchcraft. Natalya sacrifices herself to restore Order and, in doing so, also returns Agatha to life. Despite noting that hers and Wanda's paths are intertwined, Agatha chooses to have some time to herself to enjoy being alive again, opting to visit a nude beach, much to Wanda's chagrin. (Scarlet Witch Vol 2 #14)

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Another discussion concerning who's the big bad running things.
The show went out of its way to point out that to bring Vision back she had to steal his remains. Sparky’s death was necessary to show that Wanda isn’t in full control of Westview and what happens there.

So Peters’ Quicksilver lands on her doorstep and is he really him? How she could bring him back if Pietro died years ago and thus she would have no access to his body.

If she doesn’t really have the power of bringing people back from the dead then is that really Peters’ Quicksilver or someone else?

How about if Lord Chaos is the big bad?

Ooooo that's possible. I didn't think of that.

The twins make me think it'll be Mephisto though. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

[AnimalCMan]

https://youtu.be/r4xC9qXKcL8

This might be the most solid theory I’ve seen yet. Sharing for anyone interested.

[spanky87]

“Mephisto“

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

So Peters’ Quicksilver lands on her doorstep and is he really him? How she could bring him back if Pietro died years ago and thus she would have no access to his body.

The entire point of this is to introduce the multiverse.

The Quicksilver in the MCU is dead. He cannot be brought back. So whomever brought back Quicksilver plucked the live one out of the X-Men movie universe.

At this point, I believe Wanda that she had nothing to do with him appearing on the doorstep. Who/whatever is pulling the strings did so, likely to give Wanda more incentive to keep the Hex going by bringing her dead brother back. She was pretty clearly confused by the situation (and that he looked different).

[SlayersCouncil]

Unpopular opinion here and probably completely wrong:
I'm holding out hope that Evan Peters' addition as Wanda's brother "recast" is just a nod to fans and is not the Quicksilver from the Fox-Men universe. Movies have done these kind of meta things before. Examples would be Danny Glover's appearance in Maverick (for fans of Lethal Weapon) or the cameos of the original Murdock and "Face" in the A-Team remake. Most recently,

[Show spoiler]Linda Carter's

post-credits scene in WW84, albeit in a different role.

I am willing to concede that I'm most likely completely wrong. I am a fan of the Fox-Men movies even X-Men Origins: Wolverine (well, maybe just the first half of that one) but I really do think that the introduction of X-Men/mutants into the MCU should be a fresh start like they did with the MCU/Sony Peter Parker. That is not to say that the multi-verse shouldn't come into play with the introduction. I always kind of assumed they would follow in the footsteps of the big merger of the 616 universe with the Ultimate universe in the comics (minus the IMHO awful BattleWorld stories). In the comics, Ultimate Miles Morales (including some family and friends) became a part of the 616 as if he had always been there. My theory would be the same for the introduction of mutants in the MCU; Merged with another universe that has always had mutants and the soft retcon of some events in the MCU (nothing too big or that would pull any of the previous movies, shows, or shorts out of canon).

Again, I am more than likely completely wrong, but that is how I'd do it if I were part of the decision making team.

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