Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[JCRW82]

Originally Posted by mad_max2000

I would say HII & HIII are fine. Seeing as they're with Universal it's likely their respective Mags are well preserved and have never changed hands between companies the way H1, H4 & H5 have over the years.

All I can say is that whatever source Scream has for H1 it's safe to say they'll present it as best they can. After all the comments they've been getting about the mixes for 4&5, it wouldn't surprise me if they looked for better sources for the original as well. I know there was a comment on social media (fb or twitter) from Scream saying they're using the same source they had for the 2014 disc but we don't know if anything has changed between then and now. Nor do we know if the person who left that reply was even directly working on the release, for all we know it could have been just a marketing person that wasn't totally in the loop.

SF has had their history with Universal as well, especially for H2. They have been given incorrect sources for the original Stereo mix until the steelbook release. And they have been denied access to use the OCN for a picture source until this new 4K release. All you can do is ask what the sources are that SF are using and see if they will confirm. I'm fairly certain they are aware of the H1 mono mix debacle, it's up to them whether they want to announce the provenance of the audio source used for this release to the public.

[KidA]

I’ve already given Shout my money for the H1-5 + vinyl bundle. I just want to know the source for the mono track on H1. Either way it’s not a dealbreaker, but I would certainly prefer the best available source and I’m hopeful that what we end up getting will be the best AVAILABLE. It would be disappointing if it all boiled down to a licensing issue.

[Kyle15]

The horribly compressed mono is no surprise, that's an industry wide thing that's been happening to various degrees for a long time.
Criterion is guilty of instating it on audio themselves that wasn't already nuked to hell and back.
It's ironic the best home video source for it is their laserdisc of all things.

[JediJones77]

The laserdisc definitely sounds clearer to me in these YouTube comparisons.

[flash.over]

It'd be nice if Cliff came on to put the speculation to rest. I doubt anyone is going to cancel their order over it if it is the 2014 mono, but still lol

[d3nt0n]

Originally Posted by flash.over

It'd be nice if Cliff came on to put the speculation to rest. I doubt anyone is going to cancel their order over it if it is the 2014 mono, but still lol

I mean..if I didn't already pre-order all 5 and was on the fence, this would probably make me hold off.

[Croweyes1121]

I’m actually rather curious about the new Atmos mix. I wonder if there’s any chance in hell that it’ll be based on the original sound effects for a change and not just some upmix of the lousy 5.1 revisionist mixes we’ve gotten for years.

[BillieCassin]

There should not be a rights issue to the actual film soundtrack. Criterion has the rights to the extras they produced (like the commentary). The original soundtrack would not fall within that realm. As the current rights holder for home video, Shout should not have any legal issue with using any existing source - no matter where it came from.

I also could see them not wanting to admit/advertise that fact, so I won't be surprised should they not wish to confirm the source, should they have gone that route.

[JCRW82]

Originally Posted by flash.over

It'd be nice if Cliff came on to put the speculation to rest. I doubt anyone is going to cancel their order over it if it is the 2014 mono, but still lol

If Cliff happens to chime into the thread to confirm the audio source used then that would be great. For now I will be holding off on purchasing H1 until we get some reviews at release date. The rest I will gladly keep my pre-order in place.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

I’m actually rather curious about the new Atmos mix. I wonder if there’s any chance in hell that it’ll be based on the original sound effects for a change and not just some upmix of the lousy 5.1 revisionist mixes we’ve gotten for years.

If the original mag elements really are missing, that would be pretty difficult. But I guess we'll see.

I hope SF has been able to use the best available elements for all these releases, but if the mono for H1 is the same track as was in the 2014 box, then I'm okay with that.

For me, the biggest audio issue of all of these was H4. The remix we've had for the past 20 years is a complete botch that defies explanation, so I'm very happy that has finally been addressed.

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

There should not be a rights issue to the actual film soundtrack. Criterion has the rights to the extras they produced (like the commentary). The original soundtrack would not fall within that realm. As the current rights holder for home video, Shout should not have any legal issue with using any existing source - no matter where it came from.

I don't know for sure, but there still might have to be a license agreement for the actual physical asset being used (i.e. the laserdisc audio).

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by BNex99

If the original mag elements really are missing, that would be pretty difficult. But I guess we'll see.

I hope SF has been able to use the best available elements for all these releases, but if the mono for H1 is the same track as was in the 2014 box, then I'm okay with that.

For me, the biggest audio issue of all of these was H4. The remix we've had for the past 20 years is a complete botch that defies explanation, so I'm very happy that has finally been addressed.



I don't know for sure, but there still might have to be a license agreement for the actual physical asset being used (i.e. the laserdisc audio).

Same the mono from the boxed set sounded great on my set up. Happy I can finally watch in 4K with the mono track.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Why would anyone want Mono sound when you can have 10 speakers on your ceiling? Progress sonny boy!

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Why would anyone want Mono sound when you can have 10 speakers on your ceiling? Progress sonny boy!

Because I dont want crap sound effects that were added years after the movie came out.

[Kyle15]

Well they will be NEW sound effects and NEW is a BETTER and FRESH interpretation!

Sorry, but Utilitarianism WINS because it sells.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Because I dont want crap sound effects that were added years after the movie came out.

Amen. IF - and it's a BIG if - Shout has actually produced a new Atmos track from the ground up and the sound effects are faithful to what was there on the original track, I'd be thrilled to give it a chance. Sadly, though, every surround mix of this movie has always been terrible, with a ton of effects that are just altogether wrong. And it's not even the effects that are wrong. What I'd consider the music is impacted, too. The missing chime in the sting when Michael's head raises up in the car, for example. It just takes me RIGHT out of the movie every time. If they'd go back to the original sound and jus increase the subtle ambience, I'd be far less of a hard-lined purist. I feel the same about Superman and Jaws. I just can't stomach any of the 5.1 remixes (thankfully, the saving grace of the Superman 4K is the inclusion of the original 70mm mix, which is terrific).

[King Crimson]

Someone needs to get that LD Mono track over to Shout ASAP

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Because I dont want crap sound effects that were added years after the movie came out.

My work is done for the day. cya 2morrow guyz!

[dcx4610]

Wait...so we are NOT getting the original mono mix after all? It's lost? Another downmix? I mean I'll live if I have to settle for Atmos but I love for this to be the ultimate/final version if possible.

[dtyndall]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Someone needs to get that LD Mono track over to Shout ASAP

I’m pretty sure the discs are already done. I watched a YouTube interview w/ Cliff where he talks about the discs being complete in August.

[happydood]

Jaws was what sent me firmly into the original audio whenever possible camp. After comparing the original mono to the thin 7.1 remix, I wondered what I was missing on every title I own that includes an OG audio track so now I always choose them and I haven't once found a remix more satisfying.

Ironically, the only 5.1 I don't mind is Halloween II, but unironically, it's because the original stereo track on that first disc is messed up. I'll look forward to hearing the for realz mix on that upcoming disc.