First Blood / Rambo: First Blood Part II / Rambo III 4K UHDs (1982-1988) - Page 111 - Blu-ray Forum

Abdrewes · 02-02-2022, 04:02 PM

I just tried to place an order for Pt. 2 4K at best Buy via instacart (needed a third item). Wouldn't let me, went with Scream 4K instead. Maybe somebody is looking after me...

Nlandeh · 02-08-2022, 08:27 PM

So apparently this monstrosity is getting released in the nordic countries...and look it's limited to 1000

Samu_ · 02-08-2022, 11:33 PM

Does anyone know how the Japanese release fares against the U.K., U.S., and Italian ones?

Brian81 · 02-09-2022, 09:07 PM

Threw on the original UK Optimum/Studio Canal BD (the HD DVD port?) and the UK 4K.

There is so much more detail with the 4K but the funny thing is that this ancient BD is still watchable to me. The opening credits look a bit funky but even though the detail isn't great, I could EASILY watch the film like it is on here. It is soft, but not ugly. The 4K, watching bits, I think the colors on this look alright to me except for the greenish blacks. I think most colors look better than the old masters, but there is this.

Brian81 · 02-12-2022, 08:40 PM

... also, dug out the LG 4Ks and the menus are designed almost identically to the SC, just regional difference as far as audio and sub options. I watched with subs on and noticed how awful the subs are on the SC. Checked the LG and they're also awful. I wish all these people doing sub tracks like these would lose their jobs. Is it that hard to type out what they are actually saying? They add vulgarities that aren't even there, and rephrase just about every line of text with different words. I understand when it comes to language translatiom, changes will need to be made due to flow, but this is something different altogether. If I were to lose my hearing, I couldn't ever watch these again. Same goes with the older BD edition as well.

Leterface · 02-12-2022, 09:13 PM

^The Nordic release (atleast Finnish language) is also a disaster regarding translation. Worst is Fist Blood the rest are atleast acceptable.

Markgway · 02-13-2022, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Leterface

^The Nordic release (atleast Finnish language) is also a disaster regarding translation. Worst is Fist Blood the rest are atleast acceptable.

Is that the Nordic title?

Hardback247 · 03-08-2022, 10:12 PM

I'm a bit confused. Is it really worth getting rid of the US 4K Blu-Rays I own in favor of either the UK or Italians ones?

Brian81 · 03-08-2022, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardback247

I'm a bit confused. Is it really worth getting rid of the US 4K Blu-Rays I own in favor of either the UK or Italians ones?

I went ahead and picked up the first two after following this thread. I already owned the three Lionsgate 4Ks. Skipping the UK III as I am under the impression that the horsefall was cut.

I prefer A to B being in NA, so I am putting the UK UHDs (of 1 & 2) with the US BDs.

Biniaris · 03-08-2022, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardback247

I'm a bit confused. Is it really worth getting rid of the US 4K Blu-Rays I own in favor of either the UK or Italians ones?

just look at the caps and choose for yourself?

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=16844&d2=16843&c=6323

it's probably a combination of how tolerant you are over this stuff and how big your screen is.

HeavyHitter · 03-08-2022, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Biniaris

just look at the caps and choose for yourself?

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=16844&d2=16843&c=6323

it's probably a combination of how tolerant you are over this stuff and how big your screen is.

Wow. Another group of titles I will need to upgrade thanks to sh*tty compression.

Hardback247 · 03-09-2022, 12:49 AM

Which is probably better, the Italian discs, or the UK discs? I can't decide for myself.

Biniaris · 03-09-2022, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Which is probably better, the Italian discs, or the UK discs? I can't decide for myself.

IT disc doesn't have english subtitles and it has a lower bitrate audio option.

Hardback247 · 03-09-2022, 01:28 AM

I've always kind of felt that the US versions didn't look crisp enough. This explains why.

Law212 · 03-09-2022, 01:31 AM

I've been a Rambo fan since i can remember. I have the original 3 on DVD and rambo 4 both cuts on blu ray but didnt buy rambo 5 yet.

Im looking to get the first 3 on 4K are I cant really tell from the comparison people posted above , is the north american 4K set good ? I initially wanted the steelbook collection but ill settle for the regular editions

Brian81 · 03-09-2022, 01:53 AM

I received the FB Part II UK yesterday and this is a significant improvement over the US 4K. It isn't perfect but it looks so much better than the alternative. I went back and forth between the two discs and US disc is a mess. The UK II is a larger improvement over the US disc than was the case with the first film. Where the UK II has tight grain the US disc looks like mosquito noise. The UK ends up looking more detailed. Notice it right from the beginning..the UK makes the US look like it was a TV broadcast.

batman2000 · 03-09-2022, 02:16 AM

Why is it that even though Italy release of Rambo 3 has a better bitrate it’s really hard to tell a difference between it and the usa uhd?

Geoff D · 03-09-2022, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by batman2000

Why is it that even though Italy release of Rambo 3 has a better bitrate it’s really hard to tell a difference between it and the usa uhd?

Because Rambo III had a very decent encode to begin with and that will get you to a certain level of transparency to the master, where piling on more bits is a case of rapidly diminishing returns i.e. bitrate ain't everything. Look at the first two movies when comparing the average bitrates between the US and UK versions, those averages are almost identical yet the UK encodes take a great steaming dump on the US ones.

How did this happen? Look at those bitrate graphs, see how the US ones are almost at a constant level of bitrate while the UK one dips and peaks regularly throughout the film? The former is like a constant bitrate (CBR) encode that someone's just put on 'set and forget', what I mean is that there's no competent management of the compression, no accounting for variances for one scene to the next, from one shot to the next. They think that just throwing those bits at it means that it'll be fine, well it's not! It's like they didn't even analyse the source before encoding it. But the UK discs are proper variable bitrate (VBR) that alter the level of bitrate according to what each scene/shot demands, it's a much more efficient allocation of the available bits. Still not perfick by itself as people still need to be twiddling the knobs and can still make mistakes (dat StudioCanal difference), but in this case it works fine.

And if you look at the bitrate graph for the US UHD of Rambo III you can see that it's already got that same style of VBR encode as the UK UHDs of the first two films have, one that's properly allocating the data to where it's needed, unlike those dodgy-ass US UHDs of 1 and 2. Funnily enough, Shout's recent Halloween UHDs seem to use this exact type of rubbish CBR encode as well...

aviosis · 03-09-2022, 04:48 AM

“Upgraded” my US 4K to the UK 4K… night and day difference on my OLED. It finally looks naturally filmic, I give the UK a 4.5 for video and the US a 3 at best.

Not upgrading the other two, well not yet at least. I almost always find myself returning to the first one for repeat viewings.

batman2000 · 03-09-2022, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Because Rambo III had a very decent encode to begin with and that will get you to a certain level of transparency to the master, where piling on more bits is a case of rapidly diminishing returns i.e. bitrate ain't everything. Look at the first two movies when comparing the average bitrates between the US and UK versions, those averages are almost identical yet the UK encodes take a great steaming dump on the US ones.

Did the better encode and higher bit rate import releases improve the hdr as well?

03-09-2022, 01:53 AM	#2216
Brian81 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Trading Score:4	I received the FB Part II UK yesterday and this is a significant improvement over the US 4K. It isn't perfect but it looks so much better than the alternative. I went back and forth between the two discs and US disc is a mess. The UK II is a larger improvement over the US disc than was the case with the first film. Where the UK II has tight grain the US disc looks like mosquito noise. The UK ends up looking more detailed. Notice it right from the beginning..the UK makes the US look like it was a TV broadcast. Last edited by Brian81; 03-09-2022 at 02:27 AM.

02-02-2022, 04:02 PM	#2201
Abdrewes Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:May 2011 Location:Texas 4K collection:767 Blu-ray collection:9831 DVD collection:523 Digital collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:362	I just tried to place an order for Pt. 2 4K at best Buy via instacart (needed a third item). Wouldn't let me, went with Scream 4K instead. Maybe somebody is looking after me...

02-08-2022, 08:27 PM	#2202
Nlandeh Member Member since:Mar 2012	So apparently this monstrosity is getting released in the nordic countries...and look it's limited to 1000

02-08-2022, 11:33 PM	#2203
Samu_ Active Member Member since:Jun 2021	Does anyone know how the Japanese release fares against the U.K., U.S., and Italian ones?

02-09-2022, 09:07 PM	#2204
Brian81 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Trading Score:4	Threw on the original UK Optimum/Studio Canal BD (the HD DVD port?) and the UK 4K. There is so much more detail with the 4K but the funny thing is that this ancient BD is still watchable to me. The opening credits look a bit funky but even though the detail isn't great, I could EASILY watch the film like it is on here. It is soft, but not ugly. The 4K, watching bits, I think the colors on this look alright to me except for the greenish blacks. I think most colors look better than the old masters, but there is this.

02-12-2022, 08:40 PM	#2205
Brian81 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Trading Score:4	... also, dug out the LG 4Ks and the menus are designed almost identically to the SC, just regional difference as far as audio and sub options. I watched with subs on and noticed how awful the subs are on the SC. Checked the LG and they're also awful. I wish all these people doing sub tracks like these would lose their jobs. Is it that hard to type out what they are actually saying? They add vulgarities that aren't even there, and rephrase just about every line of text with different words. I understand when it comes to language translatiom, changes will need to be made due to flow, but this is something different altogether. If I were to lose my hearing, I couldn't ever watch these again. Same goes with the older BD edition as well.

02-12-2022, 09:13 PM	#2206
Leterface Power Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:92 Blu-ray reviews:1	^The Nordic release (atleast Finnish language) is also a disaster regarding translation. Worst is Fist Blood the rest are atleast acceptable.

03-08-2022, 10:12 PM	#2208
Hardback247 Banned Member since:Mar 2013 Trading Score:5	I'm a bit confused. Is it really worth getting rid of the US 4K Blu-Rays I own in favor of either the UK or Italians ones?

03-09-2022, 12:49 AM	#2212
Hardback247 Banned Member since:Mar 2013 Trading Score:5	Which is probably better, the Italian discs, or the UK discs? I can't decide for myself.

03-09-2022, 01:28 AM	#2214
Hardback247 Banned Member since:Mar 2013 Trading Score:5	I've always kind of felt that the US versions didn't look crisp enough. This explains why.

03-09-2022, 01:31 AM	#2215
Law212 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2017 Location:Ajax, Ontario Canada 4K collection:345 Blu-ray collection:892 DVD collection:34	I've been a Rambo fan since i can remember. I have the original 3 on DVD and rambo 4 both cuts on blu ray but didnt buy rambo 5 yet. Im looking to get the first 3 on 4K are I cant really tell from the comparison people posted above , is the north american 4K set good ? I initially wanted the steelbook collection but ill settle for the regular editions

03-09-2022, 02:16 AM	#2217
batman2000 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	Why is it that even though Italy release of Rambo 3 has a better bitrate it’s really hard to tell a difference between it and the usa uhd?

03-09-2022, 04:48 AM	#2219
aviosis Special Member Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Burbank, California 4K collection:1081 Blu-ray collection:2071 Trading Score:130	“Upgraded” my US 4K to the UK 4K… night and day difference on my OLED. It finally looks naturally filmic, I give the UK a 4.5 for video and the US a 3 at best. Not upgrading the other two, well not yet at least. I almost always find myself returning to the first one for repeat viewings.

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