Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Notice that one of his powers as a wizard is the ability to deceive with his voice; he could have just been freaking us out.

I think he was using a jedi mind trick on me.

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl

It is still a no

Then you don't need a 3rd option

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by jwbbud

thats probably a good thing


Anyways, should be fixed now

I think you just "extended" the life of this thread by 5k posts.

[Q?]

Still undecided here...

[jw]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I think you just "extended" the life of this thread by 5k posts.

After reading the excessive bickering..we need a icebreaker I bought it from Canada...Cost me about 23.00 after taxes thanks to FS's messup I will say with ease, I got my money's worth

[mredman]

Originally Posted by deeman54

those same lines where in CRANK, but it still got a 5.0 for PQ, check it out, white vertical lines.

Odd and still nobody talked about this for 100 of pages

[Parasite68]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I have seen/read enough from sources that have proven to be VERY reliable over the months/years in comparison to my own experiences (Dave, Ken, Xylon, etc.....) that I would be absolutely floored to find my own experience considerably different when I finaly rent these. Of course I will let my own eyes be the judge, but my hopes are all but gone for this initial release from a transfer standpoint with everything we know up to this point.

Even by that small chance that I do find these "good", the fact remains that they should and could have been considerably better with a proper transfer and that is something that I cant let go

Interesting quote from Alan Gouger (AVS owner) over on AVS who has viewed both the blu ray and HDTV versions................

if you get a chance to grab the Mpeg2 recordings off HBO from anyone they have no DNR and are superior. Shame someone went joystick happy on these.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...237167&page=18 post #536

I respect your opinion and your passion, but you've admitted that you're basing you're opinion on other people's views and not your own. Youre so passionate about these movies and yet you're just going to rent them??? Oh, Please!!! Where's the credibility in that?

[Chordata]

I'll be picking it up tomorrow morning on my way to work. This thread has had no impact on my decision; I'll decide for myself if it's good or not.

[jw]

Originally Posted by mredman

Odd and still nobody talked about this for 100 of pages

Amy Smart was a wonderful Distraction

[Show spoiler]
From the set of Crank 2

[Parasite68]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

I've detected a problem with the LotR blu-ray:

there are 1920 microscopic vertical lines through the whole presentation. If I sit 10" away, they are noticeable. I spent thousands of dollars on my HT setup, this is unacceptable. What an awful transfer.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Parasite68

I respect your opinion and your passion, but you've admitted that you're basing you're opinion on other people's views and not your own. Youre so passionate about these movies and yet you're just going to rent them??? Oh, Please!!! Where's the credibility in that?

I was NEVER planning on buying the TEs.

I STRONGLY prefer the EEs. Combine that with this lackluster release as far as PQ (yes I am basing my opinion on other peoples reviews/impressions, but when multiple people I have come to know and trust over the years come to the SAME conclusion, it is a VERY safe bet that I most likely will feel VERY similar), and renting instead of buying is a very easy decision for me. What is so hard to understand about that? Going back to the TEs for me is a BIG step backwards. I do want to rent them though so I can do 2 things which are make a final judgment on the PQ with my own eyes, and the second which is to hear these lossless audio tracks which should be awesome As much as I love these films, they are usually only a 1 time a year watch for me which is usually around Christmas so a rental will do just fine all things considered until the EEs come out.

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Then you don't need a 3rd option

Sure I do it implies this thread helped make the choice and it had nothing to do with it.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Diesel

I think he was using a jedi mind trick on me.

Now the important question: how did liv tyler look?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by jwbbud

Amy Smart was a wonderful Distraction

[Show spoiler]
From the set of Crank 2

he he good one. But still

[aimforsilence]

Waiting for the Extended. Plus who puts special features on a DVD in a blu-ray set? That kinda sucks?

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

People exaggerate.

Detecting DNR doesn't necessarily equal zero grain or zero fine detail. DNR is an application of degree, there can be a lot, a little, too much, etc., and it serves a perfectly valid purpose.
'Dark City' and 'Pan's Labyrinth' are spectacular examples of people being full of crap. Yes, both titles have a noticeable degree of DNR, but if you say the PQ is "terrible", then you are full of baloney... I can see every hair in Jennifer Connelly's mustache in 'Dark City', just how much "fine detail" do I need? How much more should I expect from 1080p? Does a title have to be reference-grade to avoid being labeled as "terrible"? Based on what I'm reading in this thread and all the WB-hate threads, that seems to be the case, though it also looks like other studios are being cut a lot more slack.

What really concerns me, is that given enough pressure, what if home video producers actually cave to a loud minority, and start adding digital noise to BDs just because a bunch of blowhard ignorami think they are seeing film grain on HDTV, when they are really just seeing noise.

The unfiltered European version of Pan's Labyrinth shows a dramatic improvement in real picture detail over the US release. DNR removes real picture detail, not just "grain".

The only noise reduction that doesn't remove real detail is the $$$ hand-tuned algorithms used by LOWRY.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Yep, once for 2 seconds, once for about 20 seconds and once more for just under a minute.
If you are watching on a television with over scan, you won't see it. But otherwise, you will.


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Finished the movie.

I thought the movie looked fine

Yes the lines were annoying for however brief a time they were there (which no matter how brief, its inexcusable that they didn't catch that), and then there was the DNR and other such detriments (which as I said, I'm not very sensitive to, so I picked up on it MUCH less than someone like Ken would). But there was also scenes like the Moria sequence and the final part of the movie where they fight the Uruk-hai (spelling?) that looked great. And then there is the rest of the film which didn't look as good as those two, but also didn't look as bad as parts like in Bilbo's house.


My opinion on the PQ is a 4/5.

Well, my score is actually about a 3.75/5, but I only score in .5 intervals, so I just rounded up.

The AQ was very good. The Nazgul screeches =

What's your viewing distance in relationship to your screen width?

[Jeremiah]

It's 12:00 AM on release day! Open the flood gates!

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

The unfiltered European version of Pan's Labyrinth shows a dramatic improvement in real picture detail over the US release. DNR removes real picture detail, not just "grain".

The only noise reduction that doesn't remove real detail is the $$$ hand-tuned algorithms used by LOWRY.

Indeed, grain is the picture, remove it and you remove part of the picture. I'm not sure how Lowry do what they do, but there transfers are most impressive.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Now the important question: how did liv tyler look?

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

What's your viewing distance in relationship to your screen width?

Originally Posted by Diesel

40"


I'm sitting 6.5 feet, or 1.95 screen lengths, (eye ball to screen) away.

[Parasite68]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I was NEVER planning on buying the TEs.

I STRONGLY prefer the EEs. Combine that with this lackluster release as far as PQ (yes I am basing my opinion on other peoples reviews/impressions, but when multiple people I have come to know and trust over the years come to the SAME conclusion, it is a VERY safe bet that I most likely will feel VERY similar), and renting instead of buying is a very easy decision for me. What is so hard to understand about that? Going back to the TEs for me is a BIG step backwards. I do want to rent them though so I can do 2 things which are make a final judgment on the PQ with my own eyes, and the second which is to hear these lossless audio tracks which should be awesome As much as I love these films, they are usually only a 1 time a year watch for me which is usually around Christmas so a rental will do just fine all things considered until the EEs come out.

Fair enough! I felt the same way as you about taking a step backwards with the TE's... I have a lot of friends that were severely confused after viewing the TE's, even said it was a bad movie... I totally converted them into diehard fans with the EE's! I had no plans to get these, but I finally caved in over the weekend. My reason is that this will be, regardless of the final transfer verdict, the best these films will look on our home theatres to date! (the free steelbook at best buy didn't hurt either) God knows when they will release the extended editions, too!!! (probably this November since I've just committed to these!)

Talk with you soon! This was fun!