Predator (1987) (Ultimate Hunter Edition)

[Daunty]

I've seen a few minutes of this new edition and can confirm it's as bad as it looks. Some scénes look wonderfull and some look awful... Plain awful... Unnatural colors for humans and they look just like old CGI-characters. This is not the way Predator should look. Orange Arnold is not what I wanted. I'll be picking the old disc up instead of this!

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Daunty

I've seen a few minutes of this new edition and can confirm it's as bad as it looks. Some scénes look wonderfull and some look awful... Plain awful... Unnatural colors for humans and they look just like old CGI-characters. This is not the way Predator should look. Orange Arnold is not what I wanted. I'll be picking the old disc up instead of this!

I'm gonna wait for the reviews before I decide either way. It seems to me at this point that all of us are going to be dissatisfied with the way things are going to be, one way or the other. We either get the bare-bones, grain-heavy original release, or the feature-packed, glossed-up disk.

Pick your lesser of two evils...

[ScuseMe]

Originally Posted by Home Th3atre

Video noise is what most of you are seeing in the original bluray. You are simply confusing it for grain. The remastered version has a proper encode that shows the film how it was meant to be seen without the added noise.

<cough>bull$hit<cough>

[Deadset]

I still have my original release bluray, plus the extra features from the dvd set. I'm good. Pass.

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by Daunty

I've seen a few minutes of this new edition and can confirm it's as bad as it looks. Some scénes look wonderfull and some look awful... Plain awful... Unnatural colors for humans and they look just like old CGI-characters. This is not the way Predator should look. Orange Arnold is not what I wanted. I'll be picking the old disc up instead of this!

Sorry but a few mins isn't enough. We already know the first few mins are the worst looking parts on BOTH versions.

[Peerless]

Originally Posted by Malice

what i'd like to know is how you got it 2 weeks in advance

Discs don't arrive to retailers on the same day they are released...

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by Peerless

Discs don't arrive to retailers on the same day they are released...

pics please

[SpotOn]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Studios are not afraid of their directors, and Cameron has all but said over the years that he is through doing anything with ALIENS.

One word: Kubrick

Kubrick flopped with Barry Lyndon, WB still gave him carte blanche for the remainder of his life and even bowed to his request of 4:3 transfers after he died!

And yes, WB was corporate that whole time.

[Jarfa]

Got my copy today

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Predator-Blu-ray/12880/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Preda...0/#UserReviews

The specs are different from german release (2.35 ratio) for example... polish edition got original 1.85 ratio.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by SpotOn

One word: Kubrick

Kubrick flopped with Barry Lyndon, WB still gave him carte blanche for the remainder of his life and even bowed to his request of 4:3 transfers after he died!

And yes, WB was corporate that whole time.

Kubrick never invested a half-billion dollars into anything. Big deal that BL flopped. What was the budget on it? Three mill? That would be--oh what, twenty-five mill in today's Hollywood dollars? There are indie films from first time directors getting made for that much these days.

Look, you don't have to believe me. The corporate beast is a slave to the dollar, and that's that. The bean counters that run Hollywood are the same kind of bean counters that run Pepsi Co, BP, Kaiser Permente, Starbucks, Wal Mart, and the like. They don't care about the consumers and they don't care about their producers unless both of those groups are making them money--shitloads of money. Cameron is the current golden boy, that's all. They're not afraid of him; they're just kissing his ass until the next mother load comes in from the next hot director. The moment one of his overinflated budgets goes to hell in the box-office is the moment his influence in HollyCash will end.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Then you have no understanding whatsoever about how big corporations work. And Pixar won't be able to keep up their quality forever. Everything has a golden age, every artist has a 'peak' in their career, and big business only cares about you so long as you can remain in that sweet spot for them. If you think otherwise, then you're not living on the same planet.

What are you blathering about?

You commented that nobody is perfect, and I pointed out you don't have to be perfect to exert control as Spielberg and Cameron do.

And for now, Pixar has been 1.000 and Toy Story 3 is unlikely to break that streak. Did I indicate they'd be perfect forever?

[Daredevil666]

Hahaha, I guess that why Spielberg was out of work the moment 1941 flopped. Wait...

[drtre81]

Predator discussion please.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by dvdvision

Hahaha, I guess that why Spielberg was out of work the moment 1941 flopped. Wait...

Again, explain how the paltry budget on that film had any kind of impact on ANYTHING.

I'm not trying to compare Cameron to Kubrick or Spielberg or anyone else, because none of those guys have ever spent as much money as Cameron has with Avatar. And with each subsequent outing, the 'King of the World' spends more and more money.

Let me put it to you like this. You loan a sibling a thousand dollars and they don't pay it back. That sucks, but you move on with life. You loan another sibling everything you own, plus X dollars from additional loans you take out, and cash in a ton of favors you have from people who owe them to you...and you don't get paid back. Now, who are you more likely to take another risk on in the future?

And yes, it's time to get back to Predator.

[Jarfa]

If you bleed, you can kill him

I mean the Ultimate Edition. It bleeds, so you can kill it. Just don't kill the player (reviewer) ... kill the Game

From the cinematic side Predator is still a banger and not without reason he is considered a classic of the genre. The story - although the basic idea here is not too deep - it works, and it offers just the mix of classic 80's action, science fiction and horror. The "Ultimate Edition" is the proverbial icing on the cake.

The image shows in large extent a tremendous lot of detail and sharpness, and shines with a balanced contrast-color ratio. Although, has slight motion blurs in individual close-ups. 20th Century Fox have been really hard for this new release and show a Predator as he has never seen before.

It has been worth it, that the publisher has a new HD master used for this publication. Acoustically Predator makes it and really produces a more than acceptable listening pleasure.

Extras
- Announcing a new production - "Predators"
- Predator - the evolution of species: the perfect hunter
- Director Commentary - John McTiernan
- Film Historian Commentary - Eric Lichtenfeld
- If you bleed, you can kill him - a reportage about the film
- Seven features abouts characters of Predator from backstage
- Special Effects
- Short Takes
- Unused scenes and failed
- Trailers cinema-gallery
- Profile of the Predator
Offers an abundance of background information on all areas of interest to the movie and the Predator. However, while they are the older extras in SD, there are also a few HD-elements and new commentary and interviews. "Predator: Evolution of a race," reports - partly in HD - a good 12 minutes about the making of the film and how it developed the Predator and the franchise. Robert Rodriguez, who is known to be the director of the new "Predators" coming to theathers, offers his knowledge here. A brief but very interesting Preview (HD, 2 minutes) to the new "Predator" movie.

[Daunty]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I'm gonna wait for the reviews before I decide either way. It seems to me at this point that all of us are going to be dissatisfied with the way things are going to be, one way or the other. We either get the bare-bones, grain-heavy original release, or the feature-packed, glossed-up disk.

Pick your lesser of two evils...

Yes, I think it's the only option people have. Wait for the reviews. I did it to, but then I got the chance to see some scénes and it convinced me Fox just screwed us over. I'll take the grain-heavy original release over this abomination anyday.

Originally Posted by drtre81

Sorry but a few mins isn't enough. We already know the first few mins are the worst looking parts on BOTH versions.

I didn't only see the first few minutes. I saw the part when they set a trap to capture the predator, a couple of minutes of the end battle (wich looked nice in some parts) and a couple of minutes when they try to rescue the other team. Those minutes I saw switched from being perfect to being absolutly butchered because of their used tools to fix the image. If 10-15 minutes isn't enough to give me some idea of the PQ then I don't know...

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Daunty

Yes, I think it's the only option people have. Wait for the reviews. I did it to, but then I got the chance to see some scénes and it convinced me Fox just screwed us over. I'll take the grain-heavy original release over this abomination anyday.

Maybe if Ridley Scott's two new Alien films do well after the new Predator films (hopefully) do well that we will all finally get a well-balanced release of the original Predator.

[Daunty]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Maybe if Ridley Scott's two new Alien films do well after the new Predator films (hopefully) do well that we will all finally get a well-balanced release of the original Predator.

I really hope so. Just hope they don't do this to the Alien-movies.

[SpotOn]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Maybe if Ridley Scott's two new Alien films do well after the new Predator films (hopefully) do well that we will all finally get a well-balanced release of the original Predator.

We did, it's called the 2008 release. And unlike most everyone else here posting, I have seen 35MM prints of Predator repeatedly over the last decade and can attest to the fact that every print I saw was darker and grainier than the mpeg-2 release.

This re-release is Fox cowtowing to the ignoramuses out there who know nothing about high speed film stocks and want every movie to look like it would on the sales floor at Best Buy.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by SpotOn

This re-release is Fox cowtowing to the ignoramuses out there who know nothing about high speed film stocks and want every movie to look like it would on the sales floor at Best Buy.

LOL That is kinda the sense I am getting right now, but I'm still gonna wait to compare the two once the new master is out. Right now I am having slight inclinations towards the first release.

We'll see.