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Why is it that kids can sit for HOURS at a time watching idiotic YouTube videos, but yet, would groan and moan when you are trying to have them sit and watch one of the great classics such as Citizen Kane, The General, Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, etc.? Question to you...did you preorder the regular edition (which AMZ now has for $39.99), or the special edition that has the Ambersons' DVD (which I have preordered)?? I'm thinking of just ordering the regular version. I don't wanna wait since I thought about waiting when Ten Commandments was released hoping it would go down in price but that hasn't happened (and I doubt it will). |
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![]() http://www.criterion.com/current/pos...cent-ambersons Everytime I read about RKO cutting the film and subsequently burning the original negatives of footage it makes me want blood. RKO Blood! |
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But now that the gap between the two editions is up to ten bucks I'm thinking about cancelling and reordering. I'll wait a bit to see if the Ambersons version drops as well. |
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While I agree that it may be harder for unenlightened people to relate to older films, that doesn't make those films any less valuable from an artistic perspective any more than a novel about the Civil War is less valuable than a modern novel about teenaged vampires. You can't compare those older films to TV shows like Dick Van Dyke and Leave It To Beaver, which were low budget shows shot in a few days. You ask what family is like that today. Well no family was actually like that then either. Those shows were there to demonstrate a middle class ideal of living so that sponsors could sell the "American dream" to a public ready to consume. They had nothing to do with real life. They had to do with corporate America. Since movies weren't sponsored, they weren't made with those intentions or limitations. (They had different intentions and limitations.) |
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#128 |
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John Huston John Ford Howard Hawks Sam Fuller Micheal Curtiz Orson Welles Preston Sturges Otto Preminger Sam Peckinpah David Lean All real men of the world. Now: Brett Ratner Zack Synder Christopher Nolan David Fincher Darren Aronofski All boy men of film "school". |
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I'm always wondering why people make Citizen Kane as the film about ths significance, when it was really a total condemnation of the uber rich, often considered a promotion to socialist propaganda. This was a fictionalized story of William Randolph Hearst, who was the richest and most powerful man at the time. He started out being a writer of a pretty sleazy paper, then became an empire that fooled the nation. Hearst himself wanted to buy the film for Welles and burn it. Historians often distort the fact about Citizen Kane by calling it the greatest film; it was yes a revolutionary tour de force in film making, and one of my favorite films, but it was very strong socialist propaganda. I bring this up to remind people why some of these films were made at the time. Many spat at the thought of the rich because many of them pretty obviously take advantage of them. Since the 50's and 60's, now it's ok to make a serious monopolization and expect people to follow. People did like shows like the Brady bunch and Leave it to Beaver because it was a way to escape into the fantasy of the "middle class" lifestyle. Most people couldn't even touch such a lifestyle. Now we got shows like Family Guy and Two and a Half Men, which aren't at all much different from the fantasy shows of the Brady Bunch, just a little more mean spirited. |
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Well of course they do. So do most new movies. And so do most books and so does most music. That's why people who can do even a half-assed job at those things can get rich and famous.
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The Hustler? The Apartment? Double Indemnity? The Wizard of Oz? And lest you be tempted to respond 'well, sure, there are a few exceptions' allow me to offer in advance... There are quite a bit more than a few. The classic films you see as exceptions were every bit as much a product of their respective eras as were the pretty good ones and the mediocre ones and the just plain bad ones. |
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But calling "Citizen Kane" socialist propaganda is a huge stretch, regardless. To reduce it to a smear campaign on Hearst (who was the film's inspiration, not its subject) or a screed against the "uber-rich" is to, at the very least, greatly oversimplify the film. The movie and the character of Kane are both far too complex and multi-faceted to function as propaganda for anything. |
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Most are shallow state of the art CGI firework shows that require little intelligence and are as far removed from cinema as an art form then paintings made of dung. Quote:
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I think the fact that Citizen Kane has been number 1 on AFI's 100 greatest American movies list for so long is a joke. I say this for 2 reasons.
1. No matter how many great technical achievements and new processes were created during the making of this film it does not make this film better. This film is deserving of its historical significance in the world of film making. But lets not confuse the technical significance of the film and the film itself. 2. Shouldn't the greatest American film be timeless? Personally I think so. I honestly don't understand Citizen Kane. The story device used to tell the story is clumsy at best. The acting is at times grating and pulls me out of the movie. The story is not easily accessible to me or most people I know. I think largely due to both the period the film was made as well as the stories main character. How many of us are ultra rich media moguls? I could never invest myself into this film and frankly I think it is perhaps one of the most over rated films of all time. If we wanted to pick an older film as the greatest film of all time I would vote Casablanca. For the simple fact that that film is still enjoyable to this day. The story revolved around fairly normal people, they could be anyone you or I know. The main character dealing with something everyone has had to deal with at some point. A broken heart. It doesn't get more universal than that and that movie is a far superior film than Citizen Kane in my estimation. Last edited by AFightingPanda; 08-19-2011 at 08:37 PM. |
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I dont care if a movie won 100 awards, is in 100's of top 10 list,etc. That doesnt make it a fact that the movie is great. The only fact is, a lot of people thought the movie was great. Maybe I misunderstood this part I quoted you on. If I did, I am sorry. But thats how I understood it. |
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Since Amazon reduced the price of Citizen Kane Ultimate edition they should reduce the Amazon Exclusive edition by the same amount unless they want a lot of pre-orders to jump ship. At a $5.00 difference it was worth it for The Magnificant Ambersons DVD. At $10.00 I'm not so sure given its a DVD and there has been no mention of what else is on the disc.
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1) The best of today would have a hard time stacking up against the best of the past, especially in numbers. The majority of what's made now aims low -- tons of action, CGI, little thought to character or quality writing. So, while today's best films would compare favorable with the best films of the past, there aren't nearly as many quality films being produced . . . largely because: 2) Movies in general have become much more juvenile. Robots, aliens, superheros -- generally (with exceptions of course) those subjects were serials, kids films or B movie filler. Now ALL the top money making films are nothing but that. How many more superhero films can they make?! Name 5 great dramas from the last year or 2 that are about regular people of the non-flying variety. For every King's Speech there are dozens of Thors. Nothing against popcorn movies, but a little more variety would sure be nice. Anyone like the poster who said that "old movies suck" is merely displaying his own lack of film knowledge . . . and probably the effect of years of no-attention-span, FX-laden movies. Last edited by charlieray1; 08-19-2011 at 08:41 PM. |
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Re: your second point, as previously stated I can't understand the need to identify with the character or milieu of a film, but even if I could, the comparison to Casablanca seems strange. The story of Casablanca, and the characters in it, are far more extraordinary than those of Citizen Kane. Apart from his wealth and status, Kane is very clearly a normal human being (and one who, in his own way, is also dealing with "a broken heart," albeit one derived from the loss of his childhood and family life rather than a romantic love). Perhaps the reason you have trouble relating to him is simply because the film keeps him from being entirely accessible -- there are depths to him that remain hidden or obscured, as signified by the bookending shots of the "No Trespassing" sign on the fence outside Xanadu. But this is part of the design (and, frankly, part of the point) of Kane, not a shortcoming of it. |
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