Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[NexusVerbal]

Originally Posted by 42041

There are no reputable sources to suggest anything was destroyed. These days, no one is going to throw away irreplaceable material from one of the most important films the artform has seen.

You might be right, though. I mean the film is, after all, being preserved by the National Film Registry. Does anyone know if their print is the Original or Altered version, though?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by TheStorm

If you loved those, then maybe you should watch the RiffTrax on Episode I, II, and III....you'll never watch those the same way.

I own all of the Star Wars Rifftrax. They're well worth the investment.

Or watch RedLetterMedia's reviews on em, you'll never look at them the same way either.

No thanks. I'm not going to waste my time watching these whiny fanboys crying and "trying" to be funny.

[42041]

Originally Posted by ckocher

Honestly, it's not like these films are unwatchable. They are great. Just because he adds things in doesn't make them less great.

Lots of directors put out longer cuts of their movies. They can do that, since they made them. No one complains when they do that. The director/producer/writer of the star wars films feels that the original cuts are inferior to the new versions and those are the ones he wants to put out. This really isn't a big deal.

I pre-ordered in January. I'm not canceling anything.

How many times has an new cut completely replaced the original one as the "canonical" version of a film, especially when a very significant number of people thought it inferior?

[Stlsports]

The thing that bugs me about the changes is George never completes his damn movie. I never know what version is the last. If only he would say "I'm completely done making changes on Star Wars. What we have now is what will be there til the end of time" He just finds new things. Next he'll probably go back and re dub all of Alec G's lines with Ewan McGregor to better match the prequels. I hope he realizes the Vader no's are stupid like he realized Luke screaming like the Emperor was stupid too.

[NexusVerbal]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

How dare you put inception in the same category as avatar and predator.

Just saying, man. These films, as great as they may be, just didn't make the same cultural impact Star Wars made in '77.

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Inception is better than both of those crappy movies, and probably better than star wars.

You're right, as a Film, it is leagues better. I am simply referring to how Star Wars has impacted not only lives, but the American Culture in general, and other cultures as well.

[Mr. Movie Fan]

both actually.

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by nmycon

NEWSFLASH:

List of Empire Changes: (from milleniumfalcon.com)

Still not fixed....

The Empire Strikes Back

01. Garbage mattes around Star Destroyer and probe droids still there.
02. Star Destroyer's movement still flickers while panning with the probe.
03. Wampa arm, while "fixed", is not done properly. A black "blotch" has been added to the bottom left corner of the screen.
04. SE 1997 attempts to fix Tauntaun effects still there.
05. SE 1997 Wampa still added, sound is still invasive and does not "blend" the new footage in.
06. Lightsaber retracting sound is still there as Luke leaves Wampa cave. His saber is clearly still activated.
07. Shield doors still begin to close behind Chewbacca, then are open, then are closing again.
08. Han still says "shelter UP" from a different take than "shelter BUILT."
09. Still no shadow from Rogue 2 Snowspeeder as Han waves to the pilot.
10. Garbage mattes still in Imperial Fleet during "The Imperial March."
11. Garbage mattes still prevalent as Imperial Fleet approaches Hoth, especially the TIE's.
12. Piett's image still shows outside of Vader's monitor screen.
13. Transparent Snowspeeder cockpits still there.
14. Shadow is under Wedge's Speeder and tow cable when Janson makes the shot, but then disappears.
15. Shield generator explosion still looks very fake.
16. Luke watching the Millennium Falcon depart is still mis-timed.
17. Red text on Luke's screen in the X-Wing is still mis-aligned with the monitor.
18. Garbage mattes still prevalent throughout the entire asteroid field sequence.
19. TIE Fighter collision and explosion on the asteroid are still very fake.
20. Millennium Falcon engines lose blue hue during asteroid sequence.
21. Aboard the Falcon in the "cave", a piece still falls off of C-3PO's arm when he says "Sir, sir!"
22. In the next scene when the asteroid collides with the Star Destroyer's tower, the tower still just faintly disappears behind a transparent
explosion.
23. The lightsaber blades are NOT consistently fixed for the Bespin duel. That's right. They change from shot to shot.
24. The stage hand giving Luke his saber hilt on the top of the carbon freezing chamber can still be seen.
25. In the same scene, when Luke jumps down, the impact sound of him landing is still too late.


Changes noticed:

01. Flames added to probe droid "crater."
02. Most of the blue tint on Hoth is gone. I said MOST.
03. Wampa arm is fixed, but not properly (See number 03 above).
04. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke, he can be seen better than before.
05. Snowspeeders look better against white snow than blue!
06. Garbage matte appears to be gone when the Rebel Transport and escort X-Wings leave Hoth.
07. Hamill's "The first transport is away" is still there.
08. SE 1997 Luke goes up the grappling hook under the Imperial Walker.
09. R2-D2's black panels in space are blue.
10. C-3PO still says "There's nowhere to go" after saying "Oh this is suicide."
11. On Dagobah, Luke still tells R2 "You were lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
12. When Vader contacts the Emperor, it is still the altered 2004 version.
13. In the cave on Dagobah, the lightsaber blades are brilliantly colored red and blue and bright with white cores.
14. Boba Fett's voice is still the 2004 "Kiwi" accent from Temuera Morrison.
15. When Yoda raises the X-Wing, the model shot is still the 2004 version with an attempted shadow under the vehicle.
16. Inside the Falcon cockpit while approaching Cloud City is no longer zoomed in.
17. All Cloud City 1997 and 2004 changes are still there, and still look out of place.
18. Shadows still removed from Han's shirt as he goes into carbon freeze.
19. Vader's "Alert my Star Destroyer...." crap is still there, unchanged. lol
20. The Imperial Shuttle leaving Bespin is still there, and the sunlight can still be seen through it.
21. The "double" top hatch on the Falcon is still there.
22. The alternate take of Vader's arrival on the second Death Star in ROTJ is still used as his Star Destroyer.

I'm just gonna repost this... since it never got noticed last page

[Beast]

Originally Posted by nmycon

NEWSFLASH:

List of Empire Changes: (from milleniumfalcon.com)

Still not fixed....

The Empire Strikes Back

01. Garbage mattes around Star Destroyer and probe droids still there.
02. Star Destroyer's movement still flickers while panning with the probe.
03. Wampa arm, while "fixed", is not done properly. A black "blotch" has been added to the bottom left corner of the screen.
04. SE 1997 attempts to fix Tauntaun effects still there.
05. SE 1997 Wampa still added, sound is still invasive and does not "blend" the new footage in.
06. Lightsaber retracting sound is still there as Luke leaves Wampa cave. His saber is clearly still activated.
07. Shield doors still begin to close behind Chewbacca, then are open, then are closing again.
08. Han still says "shelter UP" from a different take than "shelter BUILT."
09. Still no shadow from Rogue 2 Snowspeeder as Han waves to the pilot.
10. Garbage mattes still in Imperial Fleet during "The Imperial March."
11. Garbage mattes still prevalent as Imperial Fleet approaches Hoth, especially the TIE's.
12. Piett's image still shows outside of Vader's monitor screen.
13. Transparent Snowspeeder cockpits still there.
14. Shadow is under Wedge's Speeder and tow cable when Janson makes the shot, but then disappears.
15. Shield generator explosion still looks very fake.
16. Luke watching the Millennium Falcon depart is still mis-timed.
17. Red text on Luke's screen in the X-Wing is still mis-aligned with the monitor.
18. Garbage mattes still prevalent throughout the entire asteroid field sequence.
19. TIE Fighter collision and explosion on the asteroid are still very fake.
20. Millennium Falcon engines lose blue hue during asteroid sequence.
21. Aboard the Falcon in the "cave", a piece still falls off of C-3PO's arm when he says "Sir, sir!"
22. In the next scene when the asteroid collides with the Star Destroyer's tower, the tower still just faintly disappears behind a transparent
explosion.
23. The lightsaber blades are NOT consistently fixed for the Bespin duel. That's right. They change from shot to shot.
24. The stage hand giving Luke his saber hilt on the top of the carbon freezing chamber can still be seen.
25. In the same scene, when Luke jumps down, the impact sound of him landing is still too late.


Changes noticed:

01. Flames added to probe droid "crater."
02. Most of the blue tint on Hoth is gone. I said MOST.
03. Wampa arm is fixed, but not properly (See number 03 above).
04. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke, he can be seen better than before.
05. Snowspeeders look better against white snow than blue!
06. Garbage matte appears to be gone when the Rebel Transport and escort X-Wings leave Hoth.
07. Hamill's "The first transport is away" is still there.
08. SE 1997 Luke goes up the grappling hook under the Imperial Walker.
09. R2-D2's black panels in space are blue.
10. C-3PO still says "There's nowhere to go" after saying "Oh this is suicide."
11. On Dagobah, Luke still tells R2 "You were lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
12. When Vader contacts the Emperor, it is still the altered 2004 version.
13. In the cave on Dagobah, the lightsaber blades are brilliantly colored red and blue and bright with white cores.
14. Boba Fett's voice is still the 2004 "Kiwi" accent from Temuera Morrison.
15. When Yoda raises the X-Wing, the model shot is still the 2004 version with an attempted shadow under the vehicle.
16. Inside the Falcon cockpit while approaching Cloud City is no longer zoomed in.
17. All Cloud City 1997 and 2004 changes are still there, and still look out of place.
18. Shadows still removed from Han's shirt as he goes into carbon freeze.
19. Vader's "Alert my Star Destroyer...." crap is still there, unchanged. lol
20. The Imperial Shuttle leaving Bespin is still there, and the sunlight can still be seen through it.
21. The "double" top hatch on the Falcon is still there.
22. The alternate take of Vader's arrival on the second Death Star in ROTJ is still used as his Star Destroyer.

Some of those go far beyond anal it's not even funny. Most of the "Still Not Changed" stuff is nitpickery at it's best.
People really actually want that small bit that falls off C-3PO's arm fixed for the Blu-Ray? Or stuff that looks "fake"?

Wow... just wow.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Beast

No thanks. I'm not going to waste my time watching these whiny fanboys crying and "trying" to be funny.

There you go again, judging those reviews as nothing but whiny fanboy ravings when you've never even actually watched them. How many friggin' times have people called you out on this already?

[TheStorm]

Originally Posted by Beast

I own all of the Star Wars Rifftrax. They're well worth the investment.

No thanks. I'm not going to waste my time watching these whiny fanboys crying and "trying" to be funny.

So you say people should watch the Rifftrax on Inception to see supposed flaws the lesser of MST3K host (Mike...Joel was way better) thinks of the film. But you don't want to watch Redlettermedia's flaws? How do you know it's him crying and whinning and trying to be funny if you've never seen it? Is it because your afraid you may agree with him?

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by earmullet

....and Simon Pegg is still ranting on twitter. Seriously.

Lets go and invite him over here to show his views on this subject. We can always use another opinion here.



.

[42041]

Originally Posted by NexusVerbal

You might be right, though. I mean the film is, after all, being preserved by the National Film Registry. Does anyone know if their print is the Original or Altered version, though?

Even if chunks of the negative are missing or unusable (note that most of the non-SE live action shots are still the originals), there are at least two known sources for the complete, unfaded original film (other than what's in the National Film Registry, I don't know what they have): the color separations made in '77 specifically for long-term archival, and Lucas's personal dye transfer print. They might provide questionable quality but certainly better than any existing video version.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Beast

He needs a hobby. Maybe he should quit crying about what everyone elses does and get back to making movies.

I thought that's what he did for a living. But I guess it's easier for him to moan about what someone else does.

Simon Pegg is about as big a star wars nerd as they come. I would be more suprised if he wasn't ranting.

And I agree we should invite him here. He would probably come over here too. If he isn't already on here lol. Simon if your out there come join the rebellion.

[ckocher]

Originally Posted by nmycon

NEWSFLASH:

List of Empire Changes: (from milleniumfalcon.com)

Weird... Millenniumfalcon.com takes you to starwars.com

I say it's fake.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by nmycon

NEWSFLASH:

List of Empire Changes: (from milleniumfalcon.com)

Still not fixed....

The Empire Strikes Back

[Show spoiler]01. Garbage mattes around Star Destroyer and probe droids still there.
02. Star Destroyer's movement still flickers while panning with the probe.
03. Wampa arm, while "fixed", is not done properly. A black "blotch" has been added to the bottom left corner of the screen.
04. SE 1997 attempts to fix Tauntaun effects still there.
05. SE 1997 Wampa still added, sound is still invasive and does not "blend" the new footage in.
06. Lightsaber retracting sound is still there as Luke leaves Wampa cave. His saber is clearly still activated.
07. Shield doors still begin to close behind Chewbacca, then are open, then are closing again.
08. Han still says "shelter UP" from a different take than "shelter BUILT."
09. Still no shadow from Rogue 2 Snowspeeder as Han waves to the pilot.
10. Garbage mattes still in Imperial Fleet during "The Imperial March."
11. Garbage mattes still prevalent as Imperial Fleet approaches Hoth, especially the TIE's.
12. Piett's image still shows outside of Vader's monitor screen.
13. Transparent Snowspeeder cockpits still there.
14. Shadow is under Wedge's Speeder and tow cable when Janson makes the shot, but then disappears.
15. Shield generator explosion still looks very fake.
16. Luke watching the Millennium Falcon depart is still mis-timed.
17. Red text on Luke's screen in the X-Wing is still mis-aligned with the monitor.
18. Garbage mattes still prevalent throughout the entire asteroid field sequence.
19. TIE Fighter collision and explosion on the asteroid are still very fake.
20. Millennium Falcon engines lose blue hue during asteroid sequence.
21. Aboard the Falcon in the "cave", a piece still falls off of C-3PO's arm when he says "Sir, sir!"
22. In the next scene when the asteroid collides with the Star Destroyer's tower, the tower still just faintly disappears behind a transparent
explosion.
23. The lightsaber blades are NOT consistently fixed for the Bespin duel. That's right. They change from shot to shot.
24. The stage hand giving Luke his saber hilt on the top of the carbon freezing chamber can still be seen.
25. In the same scene, when Luke jumps down, the impact sound of him landing is still too late.


Changes noticed:

01. Flames added to probe droid "crater."
02. Most of the blue tint on Hoth is gone. I said MOST.
03. Wampa arm is fixed, but not properly (See number 03 above).
04. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke, he can be seen better than before.
05. Snowspeeders look better against white snow than blue!
06. Garbage matte appears to be gone when the Rebel Transport and escort X-Wings leave Hoth.
07. Hamill's "The first transport is away" is still there.
08. SE 1997 Luke goes up the grappling hook under the Imperial Walker.
09. R2-D2's black panels in space are blue.
10. C-3PO still says "There's nowhere to go" after saying "Oh this is suicide."
11. On Dagobah, Luke still tells R2 "You were lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
12. When Vader contacts the Emperor, it is still the altered 2004 version.
13. In the cave on Dagobah, the lightsaber blades are brilliantly colored red and blue and bright with white cores.
14. Boba Fett's voice is still the 2004 "Kiwi" accent from Temuera Morrison.
15. When Yoda raises the X-Wing, the model shot is still the 2004 version with an attempted shadow under the vehicle.
16. Inside the Falcon cockpit while approaching Cloud City is no longer zoomed in.
17. All Cloud City 1997 and 2004 changes are still there, and still look out of place.
18. Shadows still removed from Han's shirt as he goes into carbon freeze.
19. Vader's "Alert my Star Destroyer...." crap is still there, unchanged. lol

20. The Imperial Shuttle leaving Bespin is still there, and the sunlight can still be seen through it.

[Show spoiler]


21. The "double" top hatch on the Falcon is still there.
22. The alternate take of Vader's arrival on the second Death Star in ROTJ is still used as his Star Destroyer.

You might as well add that 'Moff Jerjerrod' is still in that scene as confirmed by Adywan.



.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

There you go again, judging those reviews as nothing but whiny fanboy ravings when you've never even actually watched them. How many friggin' times have people called you out on this already?

I watched a few moments. The level of hammy overracting makes Harrison Ford's ANH performance seem subtle.

[anomynous]

Originally Posted by Beast

He needs a hobby. Maybe he should quit crying about what everyone elses does and get back to making movies.

I thought that's what he did for a living. But I guess it's easier for him to moan about what someone else does.

So why is it ok for us to whine about absolutely anything in a movie, but somebody that makes movies can't?


Especially a big SW nerd/fan like Pegg

[Cook]

Originally Posted by ckocher

Weird... Millenniumfalcon.com takes you to starwars.com

I say it's fake.

What's fake? The changes are coming from the rips which were confirmed real.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

You have to have taste, before you have different tastes.

[ckocher]

Originally Posted by Cook

What's fake? The changes are coming from the rips which were confirmed real.

What I'm saying is that the post says the list is from the above website, which re-directs to starwars.com

There's no way that list came from starwars.com