Zack Snyder's 'Man of Steel'

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

Oh cool! I've been wondering about the runtime...

So you don't think my seven year old will be bored at all when we see this on Thursday?

No, I think they will LOVE it. The kids around me loved it, and weren't typical annoying kids, by being distracting and such.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Bolty

How about this............

[Show spoiler]How many people here, who if they heard a story on the news about a group of tornado survivors in kansas who claim that a local teenager from their community was an alien because he apparently saved his dad from a tornado would believe them?

But there's more---- he's been an odd kid since he was a boy. They also say he pulled a bus out of a river when he was 10 and he heated up a doorknob!

And what is your proof the media asks? Any video?

"No he ran so fast all he was was a blur." "No he was several hundred feet away and there was all this dust flying"

And on the basis of those accounts what would happen? Would the govt take a child from his parents and do experiments to see if the stories were true? Would the media hound the family for info?

No pa kent would give an interview and say he's anguished that his son who was a quiet and shy boy is being harrased by locals and the media and the 99% of people who heard him wouild sympathize and the story would fade.


I HOPE there is alien life. I hope we get visited in my lifetime, but would i ever for 1 second believe a story like that without really solid proof? No Way.

And since clark was at that point nearly grown Jonathan would have told his son, "move away start a new life, get a job and keep your secret as best you can unless it's to save lives they cant be saved by any other way."

The movie is trying to be 'real'---pretending his identity would be truly blown and he exposed by the act of finding some way to save his dad in that situation is NOT realistic.

It's convienient, heart rending, but lame, melodrama.

It simply could have been written far better.

If you think it couldn't have written any better--you have no imagination.

It was performed great--it was written weak.

I agree, it was written poorly, but if you leave enough breadcrumbs someone will see them and see that there is a special boy. It doesn't mean that people will immediately think that he was an alien, but a special boy with unique abilities. We see how Lois Lane finds out what Clark's secret was, that this man had extraordinarily gifts, I doubt that she thought this man was an alien until he mentioned it, if he did (I can't remember). Even if he did use his powers to save his dad form the tornado, I don't think that he would have learned to keep his abilities a secret until he was ready. That is the main thing they were trying to accomplish with this scene. While the scene was poorly written, I understood what they were doing and just let it be. It isn't like they will redo that scene to appease the fans.

[Tony208]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Batman is revenge ---too young to save his parents
Spider-Man is guilt---could have but did the wrong thing
Superman---super but not god

So

MOS - Indecision

[Show spoiler]

he doesn't know whether he should save his dad or not, whether he should follow either dads advice, he asks Lois what she thinks, and doesn't know if he should make himself known(went to a priest in a church for that)

I guess the only decision he made for himself was killing Zod

[Drewbee87]

Originally Posted by unsung122212

I agree, it was written poorly, but if you leave enough breadcrumbs someone will see them and see that there is a special boy. It doesn't mean that people will immediately think that he was an alien, but a special boy with unique abilities. We see how Lois Lane finds out what Clark's secret was, that this man had extraordinarily gifts, I doubt that she thought this man was an alien until he mentioned it, if he did (I can't remember). Even if he did use his powers to save his dad form the tornado, I don't think that he would have learned to keep his abilities a secret until he was ready. That is the main thing they were trying to accomplish with this scene. While the scene was poorly written, I understood what they were doing and just let it be. It isn't like they will redo that scene to appease the fans.

[Bolty]

Originally Posted by unsung122212

I agree, it was written poorly, but if you leave enough breadcrumbs someone will see them and see that there is a special boy. It doesn't mean that people will immediately think that he was an alien, but a special boy with unique abilities. We see how Lois Lane finds out what Clark's secret was, that this man had extraordinarily gifts, I doubt that she thought this man was an alien until he mentioned it, if he did (I can't remember). Even if he did use his powers to save his dad form the tornado, I don't think that he would have learned to keep his abilities a secret until he was ready. That is the main thing they were trying to accomplish with this scene. While the scene was poorly written, I understood what they were doing and just let it be. It isn't like they will redo that scene to appease the fans.

In a 'realistic' world no amount of breadcrumbs or even loafs of bread would make the world believe in an alien without SOLID proof. If the tornado was whipping down main street of a fairly big city and there were security cameras all around and he was unable to take anything other than a straight line route to save his dad or it was a split second thing instead of all the painfully long waiting while his dad struggled to get free I could forgive it, but they wrote it so it was in an open field from far away and nobody could ever prove anything, that ruined it for me.


I want a sequel, I don't want it to flop, I don't hate Superman because i love marvel and I'm not trying to make you say, "uncle, you're right' because i know nobody does that.

I guess i'm just stubborn with my opinion like most folks---go see it again, buy the blu-ray, let's have another one and debate it. 3:20 EST holy cow! good night.

[RyanPom]

Wow. another thread turned into a Batman thread. Yippie.

[Bolty]

You agree it's written poorly.

At last consensus!



Just kidding, good night!

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Bolty

In a 'realistic' world no amount of breadcrumbs or even loafs of bread would make the world believe in an alien without SOLID proof. If the tornado was whipping down main street of a fairly big city and there were security cameras all around and he was unable to take anything other than a straight line route to save his dad or it was a split second thing instead of all the painfully long waiting while his dad struggled to get free I could forgive it, but they wrote it so it was in an open field from far away and nobody could ever prove anything, that ruined it for me.


I want a sequel, I don't want it to flop, I don't hate Superman because i love marvel and I'm not trying to make you say, "uncle, you're right' because i know nobody does that.

I guess i'm just stubborn with my opinion like most folks---go see it again, buy the blu-ray, let's have another one and debate it. 3:20 EST holy cow! good night.

You seem to be stuck about them finding out he is an alien directly from that scene. It isn't about people finding out about him being an alien, but finding out about his abilities. He could have become a lab rat if someone or the govt found out he had super speed or invulnerability. There is something that would be easy to prove to the world and that would be his abilities. This would be the main thing. Then, you have his space ship that brought him here in the barn. Also, if they left enough breadcrumbs, it might have had led to the spaceship, that would definitely get the attention of the military and govt. I understand the scene was poorly written, but it wasn't about people finding out that he is an alien, but it was about his abilities that could have been the attraction towards certain people. In trying to do this, they left it opened for people to not like it or believe it to be realistic at the moment when Jonathan gave up and signal Clark to stay and such.

[toddly6666]

This must be an awesome movie because usual blockbusters (Men in Black 3, Fast and Furious 6) dont get this much nitpicked.

[remake]

I never seen a Superman film before in my life but this one was amazing. My only complaint was the shaky cam during the flashback scenes. They were beautiful scenes and not incredibly shaky like that of found footage, but I saw this on my theatre's biggest screen and those scenes gave me a bit of a headache. I loved everything about the film. The ending put a giant smile on my face. I wanted more.

[rikraq]

When the fellow fisherman knocks Clark out of the way of the falling rigging, wouldn't that have hurt the guy? He ran into the Man of Steel. I would think he would not have been able to knock Clark down.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Dispatch Ninja

Still haven't seen watchmen, need to get on that. As of now my list would be:

1 - Batman begins
2 - Mos
3 - The dark knight rises
4 - The dark knight

Mine top 5 of all time superhero flicks:

1. MoS
2. Batman Begins
3. TDKR
4. TDK
5. Spider-Man

After seing MoS 2 times i can't wait to see what will happen in the sequels. There are so many cool ways they cold go and so many cool villians in the superman Universe

[mredman]

Originally Posted by rikraq

When the fellow fisherman knocks Clark out of the way of the falling rigging, wouldn't that have hurt the guy? He ran into the Man of Steel. I would think he would not have been able to knock Clark down.

I dont think he feels like steel otherwise anyone would notice something is really wrong with him. Plus he caught him off guard. But yeah it might have hurt him but i dont think anyone would notice in such a situation.

[Another_Dude]

The tornado scene needs its own thread.

[indianajmb]

Originally Posted by wormraper

oh yeah, already decided this is my last post. The fanaticism has gotten ridiculous. I've been pming with MULTIPLE people who are fed up with the ways the apologists have hijacked this thread

I am not a fanboy or an apologist. I am just a 38 year old man who loves to get out of the house to see a good movie. And this was one of the best superhero movies I have seen in a long time.

[indianajmb]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You REALLY need to visit the STAR WARS threads.

It's just ironic some of the folks getting upset with those who don't like MOS have driven out the people who like the SW Prequels and Special Editions. Needless to say it's hipocrasy at its finest.

Go to IMDB.com and check out Kingdom of the Crystal Skull thread. There is a guy on there that complains about the movie restating the same opinion over and over and over and has been doing so since 2008.

[MyBlu-rayBrotherEd]

Originally Posted by indianajmb

I am not a fanboy or an apologist. I am just a 38 year old man who loves to get out of the house to see a good movie. And this was one of the best superhero movies I have seen in a long time.

Maybe one day he will realize that the problem is actually the person staring back at him in the mirror.....

[slainery]

The first flight scene was probably the messiest scene of the movie. It should have been a landmark in Clark's development yet it was a done deal in less than a minute, really.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Bolty

In a 'realistic' world no amount of breadcrumbs or even loafs of bread would make the world believe ininan alien without SOLID proof. If the tornado was whipping down main street of a fairly big city and there were security cameras all around and he was unable to take anything other than a straight line route to save his dad or it was a split second thing instead of all the painfully long waiting while his dad struggled to get free I could forgive it, but they wrote it so it was in an open field from far away and nobody could ever prove anything, that ruined it for me.


I want a sequel, I don't want it to flop, I don't hate Superman because i love marvel and I'm not trying to make you say, "uncle, you're right' because i know nobody does that.

I guess i'm just stubborn with my opinion like most folks---go see it again, buy the blu-ray, let's have another one and debate it. 3:20 EST holy cow! good night.

Upon further consideration, I think the failure of the scene is in the editing. The time line should have been tighter. As in, Clark turns around, and sees his dad and

[Show spoiler]its to late. The way it's shown now, Clark gets people to safety, the turns around ans watches from a safe place while his dad is in danger. Even without super powers, I would have rushed to help my dad. Clark sits and watches til it's too late. If they had made it so he turned around and saw his dad about to die, it would have been more believable and had more impact.

As written/edited now, it just looks like a people making dumb choices that almost no one would make, and Clark being less heroic than most people would have been in a similar situation.

But hey, if others feel the moment was some beautiful moment of Zen movie makers then cool. Unfortunately, it makes me cringe. Editing could have changed a lot.

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Nobody throws their life away to prove a point to their son----which then leaves the son (and wife) alone--it is a nonsense scene that only works when only your emotions are involved but not your brain.

Thought the movie was superb in parts but this scene was ridiculous.


And it assumes his true nature would have to be revealed by the act of saving his father---it did not.

He can run fast enough that he could have run a huge circular route around the landscape and rescued his father from the other side without the other people knowing who he was or even hardly seeing what happened.

The writers wanted to pretend the only option he had to save his dad was to run straight at him at 'super speed'

If you note in later scenes all the Kryptonians move at such bursts of speed that they almost disappear from one spot and appear in another---such as when Faora was moving from soldier to soldier in the Smallville battle.

If they can move that fast he could have gotten to his father without being detected.

[Show spoiler]The point he was proving was that Clark must keep his identity a secret, as he believed the world wasn't ready. Remember when Johnathan Kent told Clark he might have to let kids die in order to keep his power a secret? That line actually got me upset, but when John Kent let himself die in the tornado to keep Clark's identity a secret he practiced what he preached.

As for him using super speed to get his father and get back without being noticed, even if that was possible I dont think Johnathan wanted Kent him to risk being exposed.

Im sure when pressed Snyder or Goyer could come up with a million excuses as to why the scene cold possibly happen in the real world.

Or they could have just gone the Donner route and had Superman fly around the world and reverse time

Originally Posted by rikraq

When the fellow fisherman knocks Clark out of the way of the falling rigging, wouldn't that have hurt the guy? He ran into the Man of Steel. I would think he would not have been able to knock Clark down.

I think it has to due with bracing yourself. Clark Kent/Cavill in this movie is what, 6'2 220 lbs? The fisherman guy wasnt much smaller if at all and if Clark wasn't expecting it he would get knocked down just as easily as any other human.