Yeah well Incognito is just a douche. Has anyone heard of the golf club story?
We'll probably never learn anything more than what is in the police report. The alleged victim can't speak because of a confidentiality agreement, which means he paid her off.
Some good insight into why Martin might have gone to the media instead of the league....
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The Los Angeles Times catches up with former tight end Cam Cleeland, an eight-year veteran who retired in 2005. Cleeland was the victim of one of the NFL's most notorious military-style hazing scandals. As a Saints rookie in 1998, Cleeland was forced to "run the gantlet"—go through a hallway with a pillowcase over his head as players lined up on either side to take their shots.
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"You tried to make it through, and they literally just beat the ever-loving crap out of you as you tried to get through. Everything you can imagine, from kicking, punching, scrapping. I remember my ankle was sore and I had missed two days of practice because I had rolled my ankle. Guys were like, 'He's got a bum ankle! We don't care!' And as I got to the end, I got punched in the nose, so my nose was bleeding. As I rolled my head, I got kicked in the leg and my ankle rolled. I brought my head up …"
And that's when the fateful blow came, one that not only changed Cleeland's life but turned a spotlight on the dark underbelly of professional football. Cleeland was clubbed in the face by a sock filled with coins, coins that free-agent linebacker Andre Royal had spent all day collecting from teammates. Nobody knew what he planned to do with them, but they had donated them by the fistful. Royal would later say he was aiming for the ribs. Instead, the shot shattered Cleeland's eye socket and nearly cost him his eye, which now provides him only with partial vision. He also suffered a badly broken nose.
It was just as bad for other players. Jeff Danish crashed through a glass window at the end of the gantlet and nearly fell three stories. Chris Naeole was on crutches, but was forced to go through anyway. Kyle Turley, who seriously injured his kneecap during his run, remembers that it was basically mandatory:
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"The guys who chose not to participate and locked themselves in their room, got buckets of water thrown under their doors. The water didn't come from the sink, but from toilets, with urine. Guys that decided not to show up, their belongings were trashed, pissed on, their beds, all their clothes."
(It's worth noting that Mike Ditka, who said Sunday, "When this would happen in my time, you take the bully and you kick his butt," is probably a liar. He was the head coach of the Saints from 1997-1999.)
This wasn't by any means confined to the Saints. But Cleeland's eye was so damaged he was forced to sit out the next preseason game, and reporters spotted his black eye and began poking around. The NFL quickly cracked down on violent hazing practices, both because of the fear of lawsuits—Danish sued six players and the team, and settled for an undisclosed amount—and terrible PR.
That, then, is one reason why Jonathan Martin is registering his grievances through the media rather than handling things in-house. Though it upset many of his teammates to have the Dolphins' dirty laundry aired out, Martin clearly believed the situation wouldn't have been handled if he had, as GM Jeff Ireland suggested, simply punched Incognito. Cleeland said it was unlikely that complaining to higher-ups would have effected any change either.
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"What happens if you go to your coach and say, 'This guy's bothering me.' He's going to look at you and go, 'Are you crazy? You wuss. You're not tough. Get out of my office.' I'm not saying that's what would happen with Joe Philbin, because I don't know, but that's what's going to happen with 95 percent of coaches."
It's a perception deeply rooted in football, perhaps even more than in other sports, that seeking help isn't a masculine way of doing things. But that's not a universally shared sentiment. On Wednesday Terrelle Pryor briefly touched on the Miami situation. "Hats off to [Martin] for standing up and being a man," he said.
Cleeland's career would overlap briefly with Incognito's, on the 2005 Rams. Without claiming he knows what went on in Miami, Cleeland has strong memories of Incognito as a teammate:
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"I'm not afraid to say that he was an immature, unrealistic scumbag," Cleeland said. "When it came down to it, he had no personality, he was a locker-room cancer, and he just wanted to fight everybody all the time. It was bizarre beyond belief."
This type of behavior is unacceptable in the NFL, on Wall Street, in the Armed Forces, in schools, and in reality everywhere. Incognito is completely wrong, and Martin ultimately did the right thing. This story ended as best as possible and not with Incognito or Martin in a body bag, which is the case in many of these type of stories.
I knew Richie briefly in high school, he was kind of a jerk back then. This would have been in the late 1990's. I think he was also spoiled heavily by his parents. Not really surprised by his behavior now.
The Bills are finally getting healthy. We just need to take it one game at a time. Win the next two, and we head into the bye right in the wildcard hunt.
The Bills are finally getting healthy. We just need to take it one game at a time. Win the next two, and we head into the bye right in the wildcard hunt.
Is it good insight? Or just noise? First off, I am a life long Dolphin fan. The only games I missed in the last twenty years were the hurricane games that were moved and I wasn't able to see. When this first hit, I like most people at the first news I was on the anti Richie bandwagon. Which may, or may not be factual. I like and respect Joe Philbin. But if some of the reports I've read are true, then that would obviously change. I also am one that has not understood the hatred that Ireland has received. Most of it seemed to be just plain nonsense. But if he played any part in a cover up, or approved of any offensive action than I will be the first one rooting for his dismissal.
This situation has expanded from a single NFL team to a national platform. TO jump to a conclusion without all the information is foolish. That includes myself earlier in this discussion. While I may proved to be correct, it was still a shot in the dark at the time.
This week is looking to be the most watchable week in the season so far, in terms of games that'll be entertaining [and potentially important come post season time]
One of the biggest questions that has gone unanswered in the Richie Incognito-Jonathan Martin saga is what did Dolphins coach Joe Philbin know and when did he know it. He met with the media twice last week and both times said he wouldn't comment on the NFL's ongoing investigation into the bully allegations against Incognito.
Meanwhile, general manager Jeff Ireland, who reportedly suggested Martin "punch" Incognito, again faces scrutiny for how he goes about his job. (He once asked Dez Bryant whether Bryant's mother was a prostitute.)
Now, according to NFL.com's Mike Silver, neither Philbin nor Ireland "are expected to survive this."
Scandals always have scapegoats and the coach and GM could be just that in Miami. But it's also fair to ask why Philbin didn't have a better handle on the day-to-day goings-on of his team. One league source told CBSSports.com that even if Philbin didn't know the particulars of Incognito's relationship with Martin, the assistant coaches certainly did.
For now, the Dolphins are remaining tight-lipped while the NFL conducts its investigation.
I'll take the Bills all day. I don't care about that odd week automatic win crap. Idk how you guys are 5-4, but I don't see it lasting - unless you get an easy schedule the rest of the way. Glad we have tiebreakers on you guys and the Chargers.
I'll take the Bills all day. I don't care about that odd week automatic win crap. Idk how you guys are 5-4, but I don't see it lasting - unless you get an easy schedule the rest of the way. Glad we have tiebreakers on you guys and the Chargers.
We're going to beat them down next week. We easily played our worst game of the season against them in Week 3, and they still only beat us by 7. We're a much healthier team now, and our young kids have more games under their belts.
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