Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

Yes - this has already happened with older films. I was re-watching 1985's The Breakfast Club for the first time on Blu recently, and noticed a very obvious bump/mole on someone's face; I hadn't noticed this on previous releases.

And, over in the X-files thread (Wish list), there is a recent HD screen shot of Scully; for the first time, I noticed some light freckles on her nose & face - however, this wasn't something I minded seeing...

A lady with freckles is my type of lady. Very nice!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Agreed. I love having the best there is for a movie I enjoy, but still have a huge kick watching it in less than stellar fashion on late late night movies. The day that also goes away we'll know how far we've gotten

I get a far bigger kick seeing how stunning the remastered twilight zone b&w series looks on bluray. Talk about clean!

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I get a far bigger kick seeing how stunning the remastered twilight zone b&w series looks on bluray. Talk about clean!

Oh Steed, I know, having access to such good quality is truly amazing and such a small step where we seem to be heading. But the nostalgic in me also loves watching the Holiday Marathons for example and I like it on TV as it's not a question of PQ for me, it's a tradition that I love. We don't even need to suffer 20 mins commercials anymore hehe.

Not everything needs to be PQ perfect to enjoy, i.e. the "B-movies" are great because of their lack of PQ and AQ, and cheesy will always have its place

[The_Donster]

Alright gang, can you just start another thread or post in a existing thread? You all saw left field and kept on going. This thread is about why studios insist on including DVD's in combo packs, I think

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Oh Steed, I know, having access to such good quality is truly amazing and such a small step where we seem to be heading. But the nostalgic in me also loves watching the Holiday Marathons for example and I like it on TV as it's not a question of PQ for me, it's a tradition that I love. We don't even need to suffer 20 mins commercials anymore hehe.

Not everything needs to be PQ perfect to enjoy, i.e. the "B-movies" are great because of their lack of PQ and AQ, and cheesy will always have its place

Don't get me wrong pentatonic, I have fond memories of the VHS era and of course dvd but I will have fond memories of bluray when 8k makes it (hopefully to market)

DVD introduced me to The Wicker man which I am ashamed to say I hadn't seen at that point. Obviously, the quality of the print lent itself pretty well to DVD as it was hard to spot the compression artefacts amongst so much grain, print damage etc..

DVD will always have a place in my heart. From the very first DVD (Twister) to my last purchase on the format (Band of brothers)

[Tok]

Whoa there Steedeel.

Let's let 4K run it's course before we talk about 8K.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tok

Whoa there Steedeel.

Let's let 4K run it's course before we talk about 8K.

Bu we need progress is the point Tok. I know when DVD was at its height I was always well aware that I was watching a flawed picture. Bluray is fantastic and a true blessing for all of us A/V fans. Having said that, I'm guessing when 4k comes out bluray will start to look a little less pristine. It will happen.

[Tok]

I don't know about that Steedeel.

Most Digital Cinemas are using 2K projectors. Heck most of the fake IMAX screens in the states are equipped with 2K units.

So on a 100-in screen 2K looks pretty darn good.

Unless the studios put a lot of effort into extreme resolution scans for archival purposes I just don't have the hope that we will get that quality.

I mean some studios are releasing films on BD that have been so heavily filtered that they don't seem to be huge upgrade over their DVD counterparts.

The old saying comes to mind
Garbage in... Garbage out.

Higher resolution is not going to guarantee that 4K disc are the best they can be.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tok

I don't know about that Steedeel.

Most Digital Cinemas are using 2K projectors. Heck most of the fake IMAX screens in the states are equipped with 2K units.

So on a 100-in screen 2K looks pretty darn good.

Unless the studios put a lot of effort into extreme resolution scans for archival purposes I just don't have the hope that we will get that quality.

I mean some studios are releasing films on BD that have been so heavily filtered that they don't seem to be huge upgrade over their DVD counterparts.

The old saying comes to mind
Garbage in... Garbage out.

Higher resolution is not going to guarantee that 4K disc are the best they can be.

Stand still and nothing is guaranteed except a downward slope.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

DVDs are still around for one reason and one reason only. The world is full of cheap people. Just take a look around here. Thread after thread, post after post filled with stories of how someone called Amazon's customer service and demanded to price match Wal Mart in order to save 4 pennies. What do you expect?

Like (if this was Facebook)

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by honeylatte

To me it feels like they put that extra stuff in there to inflate the price. Instead of selling a $10 blu-ray, they want to sell a $30 combo pack.

They do sell plain DVD editions for cheaper, so we should get a barebones blu-ray release too. But of course they don't want to give us that.

I end up throwing all those DVDs away or give them to family members.

Good points

[Tok]

I'm all for 4K an higher at commercial theaters, but I just don't anticipate a perceivable increase in quality with the exception of perhaps the extremely large home theater projection installations.

I am sure the big reason they are going to include object based audio is because the video quality is going to lost on most. I think I'm more excited about that but again it come down to content and there's most likely a small amount of content here also.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tok

I'm all for 4K an higher at commercial theaters, but I just don't anticipate a perceivable increase in quality with the exception of perhaps the extremely large home theater projection installations.

I am sure the big reason they are going to include object based audio is because the video quality is going to lost on most. I think I'm more excited about that but again it come down to content and there's most likely a small amount of content here also.

It will build Tok.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So is Avatar the same experience in SD? Will you be watching the new Star Wars films in SD? Films are a visual experience. Do I want to watch every movie on bluray? You bet your bottom dollar I do! Think about the joker's make up in the dark Knight or the crisp inky blackness in Gravity. In SD or dvd that just becomes a murky blocky mess. The story is enhanced by the visuals. Even black and white movies look delightful on bluray (check out the White Ribbon)

Finally, the attention to detail you mention is enhanced by the resolution. Think of the fabrics in a costume drama or the make up in a horror movie.

Just to play devil's advocate; I know these new movies and makeup benefit from the detail from high def... But, what about old films? Sometimes, rescanned and super clear isn't always beneficial to the makeup and effects of older films. Too clear, now that old makeup shows lines... Strings that weren't supposed to be seen in flying things...etc
The filmmakers back then probably never expected shit to look this clear.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Just to play devil's advocate; I know these new movies and makeup benefit from the detail from high def... But, what about old films? Sometimes, rescanned and super clear isn't always beneficial to the makeup and effects of older films. Too clear, now that old makeup shows lines... Strings that weren't supposed to be seen in flying things...etc
The filmmakers back then probably never expected shit to look this clear.

Most old films benefit, absolutely they do.

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Just to play devil's advocate; I know these new movies and makeup benefit from the detail from high def... But, what about old films? Sometimes, rescanned and super clear isn't always beneficial to the makeup and effects of older films. Too clear, now that old makeup shows lines... Strings that weren't supposed to be seen in flying things...etc
The filmmakers back then probably never expected shit to look this clear.

100% accurate. I re-watched all of the original 5 Planet of the Apes films last Fall - for the first time on my HD set. And, the make-up/hair on the Apes looked extremely fake; you could really tell this was artificial. Note that I didn't notice this as much (if at all) in previous viewings of these films, which were primarily on an old CRT....Also note that these were just the regular DVD's, not the Blu's...

[Penton-Man]

4K BD rollout timeline predictions - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...226203&page=16

[octagon]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Just to play devil's advocate; I know these new movies and makeup benefit from the detail from high def... But, what about old films? Sometimes, rescanned and super clear isn't always beneficial to the makeup and effects of older films. Too clear, now that old makeup shows lines... Strings that weren't supposed to be seen in flying things...etc
The filmmakers back then probably never expected shit to look this clear.

HD scans are no more or less harmful to makeup or effects than the original film stocks were. Film stores a lot of information. Granted, some of that information is lost with each generation/copy but by and large we don't see things in HD images that audiences didn't see on theater screens fifty or sixty or however many years ago.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by octagon

HD scans are no more or less harmful to makeup or effects than the original film stocks were. Film stores a lot of information. Granted, some of that information is lost with each generation/copy but by and large we don't see things in HD images that audiences didn't see on theater screens fifty or sixty or however many years ago.

Unless you do some selective painting ....
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post4496527

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

100% accurate. I re-watched all of the original 5 Planet of the Apes films last Fall - for the first time on my HD set. And, the make-up/hair on the Apes looked extremely fake; you could really tell this was artificial. Note that I didn't notice this as much (if at all) in previous viewings of these films, which were primarily on an old CRT....Also note that these were just the regular DVD's, not the Blu's...

They looked fake back in the 60's!