Cannibal Holocaust - Grindhouse (US) Blu-ray

[JLaw1719]

Originally Posted by TucoStrangelove

I just read some descriptions online...I'm not sure if I can handle some of them. It was painful enough to watch the chicken scene in Pink Flamingos (I would have skipped if it I knew about it). I might end up watching the cut version.

There's no sugar coating it. It's a rough watch, especially if you're an animal lover. I can't imagine anyone not being disturbed by what goes on in those scenes, even if they didn't know it was actually real.

As a lover of innocent animals myself, I couldn't really tell you if it was the right call to watch it uncut or cut. My only viewing so far was the uncut version because in the end, it just bugs me to watch edited versions of films. But there's no doubt it disturbed me and in general, I felt filthy after watching the movie. It's a commonly used phrase, feeling so dirty that you have to take a shower, but this is the actual film to do it.

I am unsure if I had opted to watch the censored version first, that it would have changed the experience I had with the movie. I feel like it might have and despite how miserable I felt, it might not have been for the better. I don't necessarily agree with the stance that the animal killings were senseless in the context of the movie itself.

It's definitely an experience.

[lolwut]

Received my copy from Blowitoutahere yesterday, but I'm trying to get a replacement. They shipped it in a mailer with no padding whatsoever and most of the corners are dented

Edit: They said I can return it but they can't replace it since they're out of stock. Sigh.

[TucoStrangelove]

Originally Posted by JLaw1719

There's no sugar coating it. It's a rough watch, especially if you're an animal lover. I can't imagine anyone not being disturbed by what goes on in those scenes, even if they didn't know it was actually real.

As a lover of innocent animals myself, I couldn't really tell you if it was the right call to watch it uncut or cut. My only viewing so far was the uncut version because in the end, it just bugs me to watch edited versions of films. But there's no doubt it disturbed me and in general, I felt filthy after watching the movie. It's a commonly used phrase, feeling so dirty that you have to take a shower, but this is the actual film to do it.

I am unsure if I had opted to watch the censored version first, that it would have changed the experience I had with the movie. I feel like it might have and despite how miserable I felt, it might not have been for the better. I don't necessarily agree with the stance that the animal killings were senseless in the context of the movie itself.

It's definitely an experience.

See, that's why I can't decide. The whole experience thing. I would feel a hell of a lot better watching it if I knew for sure the animals didn't go to waste and were eaten later. Art itself isn't a good enough reason for me.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by lolwut

Received my copy from Blowitoutahere yesterday, but I'm trying to get a replacement. They shipped it in a mailer with no padding whatsoever and most of the corners are dented

Ouch. Never had any damage to any of my shipments from them, which is surprising considering the flimsy envelopes they use. Everything is so tightly packed without padding, it's just a matter of time before I get a damaged item.

[JLaw1719]

Originally Posted by TucoStrangelove

See, that's why I can't decide. The whole experience thing. I would feel a hell of a lot better watching it if I knew for sure the animals didn't go to waste and were eaten later. Art itself isn't a good enough reason for me.

I'm unsure about that. I feel like at some point I heard they were eaten by the tribe after, but it could have been the director just offering up an excuse. I wouldn't be surprised to see this massive release shed some light.

[nymets24]

Originally Posted by JLaw1719

There's no sugar coating it. It's a rough watch, especially if you're an animal lover. I can't imagine anyone not being disturbed by what goes on in those scenes, even if they didn't know it was actually real.

As a lover of innocent animals myself, I couldn't really tell you if it was the right call to watch it uncut or cut. My only viewing so far was the uncut version because in the end, it just bugs me to watch edited versions of films. But there's no doubt it disturbed me and in general, I felt filthy after watching the movie. It's a commonly used phrase, feeling so dirty that you have to take a shower, but this is the actual film to do it.

I am unsure if I had opted to watch the censored version first, that it would have changed the experience I had with the movie. I feel like it might have and despite how miserable I felt, it might not have been for the better. I don't necessarily agree with the stance that the animal killings were senseless in the context of the movie itself.

It's definitely an experience.

It absolutely is an experience. I also don't like edited films, however with something like this I can't recommend watching the full version to those who like animals. The problem with this is that since I've already seen the full version, it's easy to not recommend it and for those that have never seen it to just watch the animal-free version instead. But that does dilute the experience, so it is a tough call. Guaranteed that once you do watch the full version, those scenes will never leave your mind and they'll be there when you watch the edited version.

Very tough call.

[JLaw1719]

Originally Posted by nymets24

It absolutely is an experience. I also don't like edited films, however with something like this I can't recommend watching the full version to those who like animals. The problem with this is that since I've already seen the full version, it's easy to not recommend it and for those that have never seen it to just watch the animal-free version instead. But that does dilute the experience, so it is a tough call. Guaranteed that once you do watch the full version, those scenes will never leave your mind and they'll be there when you watch the edited version.

Very tough call.

Diluting the experience is definitely the way to put it.

In the end, I think people just have to make that final call for themselves. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. I remember my friend lent me the Grindhousing 25th Anniversary release I believe it was and I seriously sat on it for at least 10 days trying to make up my mind how I wanted to watch it and also because you just have to get into a particular mind frame to want to watch it. And make sure no one else is home.

[nymets24]

Originally Posted by Phantasia

What is the cruelty free version like? Does it remove any trace that animals were killed or does it show them being eaten but not being killed?

The only thing that's shown is the guide's helper

[Show spoiler]holding the furry creature after he had killed it

. Nothing else is shown, but the pig is

[Show spoiler]kicked

.

[JoeBuck]

Originally Posted by JLaw1719

I'm unsure about that. I feel like at some point I heard they were eaten by the tribe after, but it could have been the director just offering up an excuse. I wouldn't be surprised to see this massive release shed some light.

Every animal was not only eaten but requested to be killed by someone for that exact reason.
The turtle was killed because they heard that they could sell it to the locals for food, the pig was killed because one of the ladies on the crew was sick of eating fish all the time and so they ate that later, the monkey was killed because monkey brains were a delicacy to the natives, they actually had two fake monkies ready to go but were convinced by the natives to use a real one, and the coatimundi was killed because they were supposedly one of the most commonly hunted things around. In the interviews Ruggero states that the natives would burn down trees to get them out.
Honestly, outside of the coatimundis death I never found them to be that shocking. The turtle is gross as you see them butcher it but you gotta do that to eat it.
I say go for the full experience for the first time. Gotta do it at least once.

[nymets24]

Originally Posted by JoeBuck

Every animal was not only eaten but requested to be killed by someone for that exact reason.
The turtle was killed because they heard that they could sell it to the locals for food, the pig was killed because one of the ladies on the crew was sick of eating fish all the time and so they ate that later, the monkey was killed because monkey brains were a delicacy to the natives, they actually had two fake monkies ready to go but were convinced by the natives to use a real one, and the coatimundi was killed because they were supposedly one of the most commonly hunted things around. In the interviews Ruggero states that the natives would burn down trees to get them out.
Honestly, outside of the coatimundis death I never found them to be that shocking. The turtle is gross as you see them butcher it but you gotta do that to eat it.
I say go for the full experience for the first time. Gotta do it at least once.

The coatimundi's

[Show spoiler]scream

sticks with you forever.

[JLaw1719]

Originally Posted by JoeBuck

Every animal was not only eaten but requested to be killed by someone for that exact reason.
The turtle was killed because they heard that they could sell it to the locals for food, the pig was killed because one of the ladies on the crew was sick of eating fish all the time and so they ate that later, the monkey was killed because monkey brains were a delicacy to the natives, they actually had two fake monkies ready to go but were convinced by the natives to use a real one, and the coatimundi was killed because they were supposedly one of the most commonly hunted things around. In the interviews Ruggero states that the natives would burn down trees to get them out.
Honestly, outside of the coatimundis death I never found them to be that shocking. The turtle is gross as you see them butcher it but you gotta do that to eat it.
I say go for the full experience for the first time. Gotta do it at least once.

Interesting. Thanks for filling me in. Some of this even rings a few distant bells, so it's easy to take your word for it.

[JoeBuck]

Originally Posted by JLaw1719

Interesting. Thanks for filling me in. Some of this even rings a few distant bells, so it's easy to take your word for it.

No worries duuude, I spent the entire other day watching all the extras and it all made it a thousand times easier to handle them after hearing it all, as a meat eater I really feel like I have no right to complain about them.

Originally Posted by nymets24

The coatimundi's

[Show spoiler]scream

sticks with you forever.

Agree, this is the one exception and is pretty brutal. Poor little thing.

[welcometothepartypal]

You guys are making me want to get this just to see it at least once. I'm a somewhat big Horror fan compared to most people I know. I love slashers ie. HALLOWEEN and some of the sequels, same with FRIDAY THE 13 etc...AMERICAN PSYCHO is also a favorite(but that's kind of a comedy). I actually really liked the first P.ACTIVITY, I don't mind gore and violence. WAKE IN FREIGHT had some authentic Kangaroo killings that surprised me but was fine with. Rape does bother me for some reason even though I know it's fake. For instance I had to turn off IRREVERSIBLE during that rape scene and never finished the movie. I also did not care for the original LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT and I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE was okay for a one time view.
Is CH comparable at all to any of these? I know it's probably above and beyond everything I mentioned but I'm just so damn curious know.

[TucoStrangelove]

Thanks for the info! I will be watching the uncut version when I get home.

[welcometothepartypal]

Originally Posted by Phantasia

There are a few explicit and gory rapes as well as a gang rape. It can be quite difficult to watch.

Ok. hmmm thanks.

[nymets24]

Originally Posted by welcometothepartypal

You guys are making me want to get this just to see it at least once. I'm a somewhat big Horror fan compared to most people I know. I love slashers ie. HALLOWEEN and some of the sequels, same with FRIDAY THE 13 etc...AMERICAN PSYCHO is also a favorite(but that's kind of a comedy). I actually really liked the first P.ACTIVITY, I don't mind gore and violence. WAKE IN FREIGHT had some authentic Kangaroo killings that surprised me but was fine with. Rape does bother me for some reason even though I know it's fake. For instance I had to turn off IRREVERSIBLE during that rape scene and never finished the movie. I also did not care for the original LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT and I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE was okay for a one time view.
Is CH comparable at all to any of these? I know it's probably above and beyond everything I mentioned but I'm just so damn curious know.

Nothing like "Halloween", Friday the 13th", etc. Not a slasher movie. If rape scenes bother you, beware of this movie. However, you should still see this just so you can experience it.

[welcometothepartypal]

Originally Posted by nymets24

Nothing like "Halloween", Friday the 13th", etc. Not a slasher movie. If rape scenes bother you, beware of this movie. However, you should still see this just so you can experience it.

I'm thinking you're right, and I do like supporting these companies. I can always sell it.

[KrugStillo]

Originally Posted by welcometothepartypal

You guys are making me want to get this just to see it at least once. I'm a somewhat big Horror fan compared to most people I know. I love slashers ie. HALLOWEEN and some of the sequels, same with FRIDAY THE 13 etc...AMERICAN PSYCHO is also a favorite(but that's kind of a comedy). I actually really liked the first P.ACTIVITY, I don't mind gore and violence. WAKE IN FREIGHT had some authentic Kangaroo killings that surprised me but was fine with. Rape does bother me for some reason even though I know it's fake. For instance I had to turn off IRREVERSIBLE during that rape scene and never finished the movie. I also did not care for the original LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT and I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE was okay for a one time view.
Is CH comparable at all to any of these? I know it's probably above and beyond everything I mentioned but I'm just so damn curious know.

It's interesting that you mentioned Wake in Fright. I personally can handle the animal violence in CH, I don't like it but I can handle it. However, I felt that the kangaroo sequences in WIF were too much for me. That to me was worse than this because they were just doing it for sport and they were leaving the kangaroos for dead and not eating them. That made it worse plus it was just so disturbing to me. At least in CH all animals were eaten after killed, this doesn't make it OK to do but softens the blow a bit. Tonally if you liked WIF you would probably like CH. They do share a similar cinematic tone in some ways. Maybe it's just that they are both foreign imports from a certain era. I can't speak for the rape thing though. There are some rough rape sequences but I feel that because of the tribal aspect in certain scenes it does lessen the impact than say I Spit on Your Grave or something of that style. CH is definitely worth a viewing if only for it's place in horror in general but approach with caution.

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by KrugStillo

It's interesting that you mentioned Wake in Fright. I personally can handle the animal violence in CH, I don't like it but I can handle it. However, I felt that the kangaroo sequences in WIF were too much for me. That to me was worse than this because they were just doing it for sport and they were leaving the kangaroos for dead and not eating them. That made it worse plus it was just so disturbing to me. At least in CH all animals were eaten after killed, this doesn't make it OK to do but softens the blow a bit. Tonally if you liked WIF you would probably like CH. They do share a similar cinematic tone in some ways. Maybe it's just that they are both foreign imports from a certain era. I can't speak for the rape thing though. There are some rough rape sequences but I feel that because of the tribal aspect in certain scenes it does lessen the impact than say I Spit on Your Grave or something of that style. CH is definitely worth a viewing if only for it's place in horror in general but approach with caution.

That's not true, as is explained in the extras, and here's the director's statement :

WAKE IN FRIGHT Director's Statement

The very first thing I want to make clear that absolutely no kangaroo was injured or killed for my film, WAKE IN FRIGHT. When we shot the scenes with the kangaroos, there was always a representative of the Royal Australian Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals present on the set. In fact they strongly wanted the scenes of the massacre of the kangaroos to be as disturbing as possible for reasons I will specify later.

Sixty years ago, I saw a French film about World War I veterans. To show how degraded and dehumanized they had become as a result of their experiences of that nasty war, they pour gasoline over a dog and ignite it. It was clear it wasn’t faked, the director did it for real. I thought to myself: the film’s director was the degraded and dehumanized one--to commit such an act of wanton cruelty for the sake of a film. Hurting animals is morally indefensible.

Well, when I was faced with the kangaroo hunt in WAKE IN FRIGHT, a climactic scene demonstrating the depths to which the school teacher had sunk, I was totally perplexed about what to do.

Then, hearing of my dilemma, a member of the crew approached and informed me that every night, hundreds of kangaroos are slaughtered in the outback. Huge refrigerator transport trucks stand by as 6 or 8 pairs of hunters go off in different directions in stake trucks in search of kangaroos. As in the film, they use a spotlight on top of their cabin controlled by them inside. The spotlight hypnotizes the kangaroos, freezing them, making them easy targets. After killing a dozen or so, they skin them and return to the refrigerator truck where the carcasses are immediately stored in the cold. Then the hunters go back out in pursuit of more animals.

Why do they kill the kangaroos? What do they do with them? The skins are valuable as they are used to make those cuddly animals dolls, like koala bears, for your children. The carcasses are shipped to the pet food industry in Australia and North America. Think about that next time you feed your cat or dog!

So, one night, I mounted a camera on the back of one of these stake trucks and went out with a pair of hunters. I made it clear to the hunters that they should do nothing out of the ordinary for me and just go about their grisly business as they did every night.

This was how I got the hunt footage for my film. Repellent as some of the footage was that I obtained and used in my film, it was the least upsetting of what I shot. I did not use 75% of what I filmed that night as it was too bloody and horrifying. The Royal Australian Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals kept urging me to use this footage because they wanted Australians and the world to see what was being done to the kangaroos in the outback, the wholesale slaughter and carnage being committed every night. But I used only the mildest of the documentary footage that I shot. I also used visual tricks like zooming into a close-up of a kangaroo: it would jump out of the frame leading you to think it had been struck by a bullet when, of course, it hadn’t.

I loved the kangaroos. I spent a lot of time with them, intimately close: they would lie around my director’s chair, waiting, like extras to be asked to do something. They are the most anthropomorphic creatures I have ever encountered. Nothing on earth would persuade me to hurt them or any other animal for any reason whatsoever.

Ted Kotcheff
August 12, 2012

[TucoStrangelove]

I just watched it and...wow. I am really impressed. It was not nearly as disturbing as I thought it was going to be, though. I could see myself watching it again and showing it to some of my friends. I haven't checked out all of the extras yet, but I loved the midnight showing easter egg!