Suspiria (1977) (Remastered)

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by confusedcrystal

IFC claims they show UNCUT films but this looked edited as a mother****er

To be fair, it's Fox that did the editing back in 1977. Fox still holds broadcast rights to SUSPIRIA so whenever it airs on TV or cable it will always be their version.

And Lyle is correct, SUSPIRIA was shot anamorphically so it was cropped/pan-and-scanned to 1.78:1 from the original 2.35:1 frame.

Chris

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

If I'm not mistaken, it was shot in Panavision, so there is no frame to open up.

Technovision.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Technovision.

Technovision is a company that makes anamorphic lenses. I'm not sure that qualifies it as a full-fledged "format". That would be like saying a movie was filmed "in Arriflex".

[Ray Jackson]

Would anyone mind catching me up to speed.

...is this happening or what?

...ETA?

[tylergfoster]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

Would anyone mind catching me up to speed.

...is this happening or what?

...ETA?

From the day it was announced, it was not going to arrive until 2015. They're doing a whole new scan of the original negative, so the disc was not on the immediate horizon. The OP still has all the relevant details.

[zbinks]

As of Halloween:

Originally Posted by Synapse Films

Argento update: TENEBRAE - Still working on the master, as it is something we were given and not something we had control over. There are things about it I'm working on just like our releases of DEMONS and DEMONS 2. PHENOMENA - Was working on this, but my father died, so work had to held up for a while. Hopefully, we'll continue in December. SUSPIRIA - 4K scan of the original negative has been done but we cannot start until January or possibly right after we get done with PHENOMENA.

https://www.facebook.com/synapsefilm...al_comments=77

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

Technovision is a company that makes anamorphic lenses. I'm not sure that qualifies it as a full-fledged "format". That would be like saying a movie was filmed "in Arriflex".

It's both a company and a format.

http://www.cinematographers.nl/FORMA...l#technovision

[MikeMyers]

I just ordered the blu ray from kimchidvd, while I wait on Synapse
Anybody have pics of it in hand??..I'm just curious to see what it looks like in person..Is it a slipcover or more of a slipbox??

[Brian81]

Since the German BD was worked on by the cinematographer, is there any chance this would be used as a loose reference for the Synapse, ignoring the inherent faults in the master that the German BD used, of course. I'm curious as to what they are using for a reference. I know they're using the original negs here, but what about changes that were done in post? The colors on the old Anchor Bay DVD were better than the BDs in a lot of ways, but even then, the colors are kind of sickly looking viewing that disc today. All of those old AB discs seem to look odd nowadays. Or are they using a theatrical print as a reference?

[phelings]

Originally Posted by Brian81

Since the German BD was worked on by the cinematographer, is there any chance this would be used as a loose reference for the Synapse, ignoring the inherent faults in the master that the German BD used, of course. I'm curious as to what they are using for a reference. I know they're using the original negs here, but what about changes that were done in post? The colors on the old Anchor Bay DVD were better than the BDs in a lot of ways, but even then, the colors are kind of sickly looking viewing that disc today. All of those old AB discs seem to look odd nowadays. Or are they using a theatrical print as a reference?

Thanks to the cinematographer of The Bird With the Crystal Plumage working on the UK Bluray , Arrow ended up releasing a cropped worthless mess .
Hopefully its not the same idiot who worked on Suspiria

[Mansinthe]

Originally Posted by MikeMyers

I just ordered the blu ray from kimchidvd, while I wait on Synapse
Anybody have pics of it in hand??..I'm just curious to see what it looks like in person..Is it a slipcover or more of a slipbox??

pretty sure its a slipbox. but they used the same old master for this release that has already been used for the UK release.
should have gotten the "german" mediabook. its currently the "best" release before synapse does their release.

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by Brian81

Since the German BD was worked on by the cinematographer, is there any chance this would be used as a loose reference for the Synapse, ignoring the inherent faults in the master that the German BD used, of course. I'm curious as to what they are using for a reference. I know they're using the original negs here, but what about changes that were done in post? The colors on the old Anchor Bay DVD were better than the BDs in a lot of ways, but even then, the colors are kind of sickly looking viewing that disc today. All of those old AB discs seem to look odd nowadays. Or are they using a theatrical print as a reference?

Actually, cinematographer Luciano Tovoli supervised the atrocious 2007 color timing, not the color timing on the new German Blu-ray. All that work was done by Torsten Kaiser working from the 2007 HDCAM-SR master tape. Torsten used an I.B. Technicolor print on loan from the BFI as a guide, and I believe Synapse Films is also working on getting access to an I.B. Technicolor print for reference.

Chris

[phelings]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Actually, cinematographer Luciano Tovoli supervised the atrocious 2007 color timing, not the color timing on the new German Blu-ray. All that work was done by Torsten Kaiser working from the 2007 HDCAM-SR master tape. Torsten used an I.B. Technicolor print on loan from the BFI as a guide, and I believe Synapse Films is also working on getting access to an I.B. Technicolor print for reference.

Chris

So it seems best that if directors cannot be obtained then leave the film alone and just release it without tweaking anything

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by phelings

So it seems best that if directors cannot be obtained then leave the film alone and just release it without tweaking anything

Well, if you just scan a negative and release it with no tweaking the result will also be a mess, because negatives are not the final word, they always go through a color timing/grading process. I think it's generally best to work with a reference film copy, i.e. an I.B. Technicolor print. Tovoli was likely going by memory back in 2007, or perhaps he felt like a kid in a candy store with all the knobs and controls at his fingertips into the digital color timing suite and went way, WAY overboard with the color tweaking and contrast boosting.

Chris

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by phelings

Thanks to the cinematographer of The Bird With the Crystal Plumage working on the UK Bluray , Arrow ended up releasing a cropped worthless mess .
Hopefully its not the same idiot who worked on Suspiria

I don't think Storaro worked on any other Argento films...

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Actually, cinematographer Luciano Tovoli supervised the atrocious 2007 color timing, not the color timing on the new German Blu-ray. All that work was done by Torsten Kaiser working from the 2007 HDCAM-SR master tape. Torsten used an I.B. Technicolor print on loan from the BFI as a guide, and I believe Synapse Films is also working on getting access to an I.B. Technicolor print for reference.

Chris

Thanks!

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by Brian81

I don't think Storaro worked on any other Argento films...

Yeah, BIRD was the only one he shot.

Chris

[takeasneededforpain]

What's the verdict on this limited edition 4 disk mediabook version??

http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/World-Cinema-(Browse)/Italy/Suspiria-(LE-4-Disc-Import-DVD-[sl]-Blu~Ray-Combo-Region-B).html

Good audio and video quality?? Or a waste of nearly $60

[Mr. Thomsen]

Originally Posted by takeasneededforpain

What's the verdict on this limited edition 4 disk mediabook version??

http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/World-Cinema-(Browse)/Italy/Suspiria-(LE-4-Disc-Import-DVD-[sl]-Blu~Ray-Combo-Region-B).html

Good audio and video quality?? Or a waste of nearly $60

It's the best currently available. They have corrected the colors as much as possible, though some problems remain because their are baked into the master, but it's the best it has looked on BD so far.

You only get the original English theatrical track in mono, though. The 2.0 English Stereo track is a later remix.

Unless you are a hardcore fan or just really want to see it now, I would wait for Synapse's release next year.

[Vinyl]

Originally Posted by takeasneededforpain

What's the verdict on this limited edition 4 disk mediabook version??

http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/World-Cinema-(Browse)/Italy/Suspiria-(LE-4-Disc-Import-DVD-[sl]-Blu~Ray-Combo-Region-B).html

Good audio and video quality?? Or a waste of nearly $60

well for $60 I wouldn't jump. For me, I have been waiting since the 2 disc limited edition DVD to jump because I have always heard of bad color timing, etc. so waiting a few months for the possibility of getting something much better and at least much less expensive seems the way to go.

I would be kicking myself if I spent the money on an OOP dvd or import and have something just as good or better come along for less money and hassle.