People's irrational fear of the PS3

[kingofgrills]

Good grief! This thread is still going?

There are people who love the PS3 as a Blu-ray player and those who don't. That's it. Let it go already, and agree to disagree.

[zor]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

Irrational (ie. no specific reason given)

I don't want a PS3 as my blu-ray player because it's also a game machine.

Rational (ie. specific reason given)

I don't want a PS3 as my blu-ray player ....

Because it is also a game machine I might get addicted to Civilization and waste my life away - again. Better not to be tempted in the first place.

I don't believe video games are healthy for my kids.

It can make more fan noise than a standalone.

The game console design vs standard A/V component design doesn't fit or look good in my audio/video rack.

I need analog outs for lossless sound on my HDMI-less receiver.

I don't want or care about using the PS3 for Folding@Home, Home, downloading movies, tv shows, family photos, family videos or music .. because one of the items previously listed still has greater importance to me than these non-gaming features.

. Everyone was right.

I agree 100% Great post!

[GORT]

Originally Posted by zor

Did you even read my post? there are GAMES for STAND-ALONE players too! Including one that is an ARCADE game (Dragon's Lair). Check this link out:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=434

now I guess you'll have to not buy a stand-alone either! O no!

And by your reasoning I guess computers are "game consoles" since there are games for computers too!

I own a stand alone player slick and its people like you that give game consoles like the PS3 a bad name tone down the Fanboy and you might get people to listen and did you even read my post it looks like you missed some of it

[HDPlasma]

The PS3 is not a bad Blu-ray player and I was considering getting the new 80g but couldn't justify getting it due to these reasons.

1. PS3 can NOT have any AV component stacked on top of it due to it's shape.
2. Most people have complained about the loud fan noise when the high-speed fan kicks in when the PS3 gets hot during a Blu-ray movie playback.
3. Need to buy special equipment to allow the PS3 to be navigated by a standard/universal IR remote.
4. High power consumption = more heat generated

BD30: player uses 25W energy while playing a Blu Ray disc.

PS3 40go: Consumes 135W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc
PS3 60&80go: Consumes 180W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc

PS3 max power consumption:
-------------------------------
40GB - 280W
60GB & 80GB - 380W

5. Due to it's excessive heat disappation, the PS3 can not be installed in an enclosed or confined AV rack/shelf since it requires 'open air' ventalation so it doesn't heat up or heat up other AV components.

6. Pinch roller disc grabber instead of disc tray that doesn't physically touch the disc surface.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by HDPlasma

The PS3 is not a bad Blu-ray player and I was considering getting the new 80g but couldn't justify getting it due to these reasons.

1. PS3 can NOT have any AV component stacked on top of it due to it's shape.
2. Most people have complained about the loud fan noise when the high-speed fan kicks in when the PS3 gets hot during a Blu-ray movie playback.
3. Need to buy special equipment to allow the PS3 to be navigated by a standard/universal IR remote.
4. High power consumption = more heat generated

BD30: player uses 25W energy while playing a Blu Ray disc.

PS3 40go: Consumes 135W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc
PS3 60&80go: Consumes 180W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc

PS3 max power consumption:
-------------------------------
40GB - 280W
60GB & 80GB - 380W

5. Due to it's excessive heat disappation, the PS3 can not be installed in an enclosed or confined AV rack/shelf since it requires 'open air' ventalation so it doesn't heat up or heat up other AV components.

6. Pinch roller disc grabber instead of disc tray that doesn't physically touch the disc surface.

+10

7. I want a stand-alone unit that matches all the other pieces in my HT setup.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by HDPlasma

BD30: player uses 25W energy while playing a Blu Ray disc.

PS3 40go: Consumes 135W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc
PS3 60&80go: Consumes 180W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc

If we want to stay green, save the earth, cut down on oil consumption, stop the terrorist, etc.
Say no to the PS3!

[GOL!]

Originally Posted by zor

Some are not open to the PS3 because they say it plays games and want a "stand alone." What diffference does it make? If you don't want to play games, just don't and it functions just the same as a stand alone (except with better MP3 and other media playing capabilities).

Also I have news for all those folks. Guess what? Your stand alone plays games too! First there are both DVD and BD titles that include minigames as a special feature. .... some may say, "O well that's different; those are just minigames." Well, I have some more bad news for you! Guess what? Your stand alone plays whole-disc games too! There are DVD and BD titles that are interactive movies (like Choose your own adventure books or Fighting Fantasy books or even some computer games) ... some may be stubborn and say, "Those are different too; those are not real games like you would see in an arcade for example." O oh, triple whammy! Guess what? Your stand alone plays ARCADE whole disc games too! Such as .... Dragon's Lair which is a game that is in arcades or at least was and was quite popular. It was also on various computer systems (including "game" systems like the Amiga).

Maybe Sony needs to include a Blu-ray edition of the PS3 (or PS4) to attract more buyers

honestly, my dad is in his mid-fifties and is a caveman. I love him to death, but he would have better luck pounding the controller with a club then getting anything to work on a ps3...

I think most people in their 50's and older don't want a ps3 because they're afraid of it. A standalone makes sense to them. I may eventually buy them a ps3 remote control.... I bought that frickin' dark lite one when it first came out... what a dud... thing looks awesome but doesn't even work for blu-rays... pos... anyways... Older people are afraid of the ps3... simple as that.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by bootman

If we want to stay green, save the earth, cut down on oil consumption, stop the terrorist, etc.
Say no to the PS3!

That's awesome

[GOL!]

Originally Posted by bootman

If we want to stay green, save the earth, cut down on oil consumption, stop the terrorist, etc.
Say no to the PS3!

HA! I know you were kidding... but seriously I'll take the extra power consumption for the awesome power of folding. I'm an avid folder on my ps3... I mean that's saving the people... not the earth...

It's not like the earth needs saving anyways.... I mean we're all gonna die off way the hell before the earth does... yeah, the surface may change, but she tends to find a way to cope...

the dino's seemed to do a lot of destruction, but guess what? The earth survived....

It should be SAVE THE HUMANS before we kill ourselves...

again this is not a rant directed at the person I quoted.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by GOL!

HA! I know you were kidding... but seriously I'll take the extra power consumption for the awesome power of folding. I'm an avid folder on my ps3... I mean that's saving the people... not the earth...

It's not like the earth needs saving anyways.... I mean we're all gonna die off way the hell before the earth does... yeah, the surface may change, but she tends to find a way to cope...

the dino's seemed to do a lot of destruction, but guess what? The earth survived....

It should be SAVE THE HUMANS before we kill ourselves...

again this is not a rant directed at the person I quoted.

You could save a lot of energy by running programs like that on your PC. I use BOINC to run SETI@home and einstein@home. I know that my PCs have a hell of a lot more horsepower than a PS3, and my laptop will use less energy to get that horsepower.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by GOL!

HA! I know you were kidding... but seriously I'll take the extra power consumption for the awesome power of folding. I'm an avid folder on my ps3... I mean that's saving the people... not the earth...

It's not like the earth needs saving anyways.... I mean we're all gonna die off way the hell before the earth does... yeah, the surface may change, but she tends to find a way to cope...

the dino's seemed to do a lot of destruction, but guess what? The earth survived....

It should be SAVE THE HUMANS before we kill ourselves...

again this is not a rant directed at the person I quoted.

No offense taken.
This thread needed a little levity.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by arush5268d

You could save a lot of energy by running programs like that on your PC. I use BOINC to run SETI@home and einstein@home. I know that my PCs have a hell of a lot more horsepower than a PS3, and my laptop will use less energy to get that horsepower.

That is not true.
For folding, the cell runs rings around any currently available x86 processor.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by bootman

That is not true.
For folding, the cell runs rings around any currently available x86 processor.

Are you telling me that a PS3 has more computing power than my dual-core Sony AR laptop?

[bootman]

Originally Posted by arush5268d

Are you telling me that a PS3 has more computing power than my dual-core Sony AR laptop?

yes.

Much more so.

since we are talking about folding, have you read the FAQ on F@H?

http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-PS3

With a 40G PS3 @ 115W is actually more efficient (calculating # FLOPs per watt) than any PC currently available.

Heck, the current crop of GPU (yes video cards) have more computing power than the fastest Intel CPU.
So much so that software is being developed to use them to encode HD video since they are leaps and bounds much better at it than the current CPUs due the the untapped power.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3339

[surfdude12]

as far as no bitstream of DTS/TrueHD: My Onkyo 604 can only process PCM, can't process DTS/TrueHD..so guess what?? the PS3 is perfect!! and a standalone would send my receiver DTS/TrueHD that it couldn't process!!

as far as the gaming, i agree that FOR ME its addicting, and a standalone would alleviate that. not talking about anyone else.

[GOL!]

Originally Posted by arush5268d

You could save a lot of energy by running programs like that on your PC. I use BOINC to run SETI@home and einstein@home. I know that my PCs have a hell of a lot more horsepower than a PS3, and my laptop will use less energy to get that horsepower.

okay... but i have a laptop... and it has far less horsepower than my ps3... but if it accomplishes the same thing... then I couldn't care less. I carpool to work. So energy can be saved.... I think in 30 years we'll all have solar panels on our roofs... we'll be wondering why we weren't always doing that...

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by HDPlasma

The PS3 is not a bad Blu-ray player and I was considering getting the new 80g but couldn't justify getting it due to these reasons.

1. PS3 can NOT have any AV component stacked on top of it due to it's shape.
2. Most people have complained about the loud fan noise when the high-speed fan kicks in when the PS3 gets hot during a Blu-ray movie playback.
3. Need to buy special equipment to allow the PS3 to be navigated by a standard/universal IR remote.
4. High power consumption = more heat generated

BD30: player uses 25W energy while playing a Blu Ray disc.

PS3 40go: Consumes 135W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc
PS3 60&80go: Consumes 180W of energy while playing a Blu Ray disc

PS3 max power consumption:
-------------------------------
40GB - 280W
60GB & 80GB - 380W

5. Due to it's excessive heat disappation, the PS3 can not be installed in an enclosed or confined AV rack/shelf since it requires 'open air' ventalation so it doesn't heat up or heat up other AV components.

6. Pinch roller disc grabber instead of disc tray that doesn't physically touch the disc surface.

Your #5 is probably the reason for #1. I'm betting Sony purposefully made the sloped top so people would not stack anything on top of the PS3 causing an overheating problem. I have a whole shelf in my entertainment center dedicated solely to the PS3 as it needs the open-air to "breathe". Totally logical reasons why people would choose to stand alone over the PS3. I'm not going to argue with anyone over personal prefrences. Oh, BTW the PS3 uses MUCH less power than my PC as my PC has a 480W power supply. The next PC I build will probably have a 1,000W or 1,200W power supply. As I don't keep it running 24/7 (Nor does the PS3 run 24/7), I - personally - am not too awfully concerned by power usage.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by bootman

That is not true.
For folding, the cell runs rings around any currently available x86 processor.

Question for Bootman (since he seems knowledgeable about this stuff).

Right now the PS3 with Cell arguably outperforms any standalone for Blu-ray playback. At some point, probably next year or the year after, dedicated standalone hardware will pull ahead and deliver still better PQ. (The details such as 12-bit video processing or what-have-you are beyond my grasp.)

But can PS4 in turn (with a rumoured 32 SPE Uber-Cell) be expected to implement in software whatever the next round of standalones will do in hardware? Is it conceivable that Blu playback on PS4 will be so good that I will never have to buy a standalone but can stick to Playstations from now on? Or will there eventually be no replacement for dedicated video playback hardware?

[bootman]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Question for Bootman (since he seems knowledgeable about this stuff).

Right now the PS3 with Cell arguably outperforms any standalone for Blu-ray playback. At some point, probably next year or the year after, dedicated standalone hardware will pull ahead and deliver still better PQ. (The details such as 12-bit video processing or what-have-you are beyond my grasp.)

But can PS4 in turn (with a rumoured 32 SPE Uber-Cell) be expected to implement in software whatever the next round of standalones will do in hardware? Is it conceivable that Blu playback on PS4 will be so good that I will never have to buy a standalone but can stick to Playstations from now on? Or will there eventually be no replacement for dedicated video playback hardware?

The PS4 will concentrate on improving gaming performance.
There will be little to be gained on the bluray front as far as playback.
Actually the cell is overkill for bluray playback purposes only.

IMO it will be a bad thing for Bluray in general if the PS3/4/5/x continues to become the only recommended choice for bluray players.
Just like the PS3 was the Trojan horse for Bluray, we do not want it to become the very thing that brings down the empire.
The time is now for Sony (and others) to offer standalones just as capable as the PS3 and for a much cheaper price.
That will propel Bluray into the mainstream one and for all.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by zor

Dude, you do know that WAV files (as well as FLAC and other lossless compression -- WAV does not compress at all) are a one-to-one exact digital copy of the original data on the CD, don't you? And you DO know that music that is stored as WAV and music stored as FLAC sound exactly the same don't you? FLAC is to WAV as ZIP is to any regular file. In fact, the way FLAC encoders work is by working from a WAV source.

And I was talking of profile 3.0, NOT profile 2.0. Profile 2.0 is a movie profile. Profile 3.0 is for music (like DVD-Audio was for music, not movies -- this does not refer to the audio in DVD movies!). So your HTPC will not support profile 3.0 as it doesn't exist yet! It may be profile 3.0 ready, but who knows.

As for vinyl, there may be debate about the technical and practical merits between CDs and vinyl, but there will be no debate about the technical superiority of BD Profile 3.0 versus vinyl. Trust me on this. It's going to rock this world. And the PS3 can play vinyl anyway (not within the player of course but you can get it hooked up ... PS3 really is -- I"m serious though it is a cliche and used sarcastically by many -- the greatest thing since sliced bread!

3.0 doesn't exist yet - true, but trust me - if it comes out...a PC will be able to do it (oh and my PC will support DVD-Audio also ) And exactly how can the ps3 play true vinyl or how do you "get it hooked up"? It still won't sound like vinyl (I'm talking vinyl with a quality platter, arm, and cartridge/stylus). I also know that FLAC and WAV are sonically identical - I was just stating that the PS3 can't do it yet (FLAC is much smaller than WAV - its like the LPCM vs DTS-HD Master/Dolby TrueHD thing). The PS3 is a good machine, but not the best thing since sliced bread.

P.S. and you are still missing the point - Audiophiles are hobbist, we like to fiddle and tweek - you can't do that with a PS3, no fun in it unless you're playing a game. (pun intended)