The Incredibles 4K UHD (2004)

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

The Incredibles (2004) 4K UHD Blu-ray


https://www.bestbuy.com/site/the-inc...?skuId=6219605

I would personally hesitate to pre-order from Amazon. They still seem to be having “issues” with Disney pre-orders. They eventually get them but if you want to receive them on release date then you might get disappointed. It happened twice to me so I just get them from Best Buy now.

[JohnnyFontane]

only pixar movies i'd upgrade for are "Up" and "Ratatouille". Incredibles' elitist tone annoys me. Only Disney animated I'd upgrade for are Lion King and Beauty & the Beast.

[obriensg1]

Elitist? Haha

[JohnnyFontane]

Originally Posted by obriensg1

Elitist? Haha

yeah, google search "incredibles elitist". the message that some people are simply "better" than others isn't incorrect, but it's presented in an elitist way

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFontane

yeah, google search "incredibles elitist". the message that some people are simply "better" than others isn't incorrect, but that doesnt mean it's a pleasant message.

"When EVERYONE is special - NO ONE will be" is a true and somewhat politically incorrect. It's a message that bothers the SJWs and the safe space generation who's mommies and daddies told them they were special, even when they ate Tide Pods.

[aetherhole]

I'm sorry... what?!

A movie about super heroes struggling to fit in as normal people is elitist?? Where, as PeterTHX pointed out, the antagonist is trying to make EVERYONE as super as the 'Supers' to make them even just normal? This screams elitist?

The only underlying tone I really saw from this film is "embrace yourself and your differences."

[weberrygt]

To me, the story line has always been about family.

[JohnnyFontane]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

"When EVERYONE is special - NO ONE will be" is a true and somewhat politically incorrect. It's a message that bothers the SJWs and the safe space generation who's mommies and daddies told them they were special, even when they ate Tide Pods.

In case you have trouble reading, I said the message was true. However, it's presented in an elitist way. Is the inventive villain presented as special? What about the superhero outfit designer? Is the fast kid's face not smug after he effortlessly gets second place in his school race? Is the short insurance agency boss not better at running a business than Mr. Incredible? So why is he not presented as special?

"The Incredibles argued that some people are just naturally better than others. Ratatouille re-affirms that, but it's not by birthright, like The Incredibles accidentally implied. Remy is a damn rat and he's a better chef than the son of a master. It's Brad Bird making sure that his respect for natural talents doesn't get misconstrued as classism of any kind." -https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd

[JohnnyFontane]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

I'm sorry... what?!

A movie about super heroes struggling to fit in as normal people is elitist?? Where, as PeterTHX pointed out, the antagonist is trying to make EVERYONE as super as the 'Supers' to make them even just normal? This screams elitist?

The only underlying tone I really saw from this film is "embrace yourself and your differences."

"embrace yourself and your differences" is what I get from Fantastic Mr. Fox.

[aetherhole]

Brad Bird helmed both Ratatouille and The Incredibles. The Supers were different from the rest of the population. They were even shunned and forced into hiding. That's not exactly what I call elitist. They all had their faults. They couldn't deny what abilities they had, and when the time came to fight, they had to embrace who they were, especially Violet and Dash.

Maybe it's just the difference that they were super heroes and not rats, but I see a lot of similarities. Both Remy and the Supers had ability beyond what they "should" have. In both instances they struggle to want to be able to use their abilities, but have to do so in hiding.

Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree. You did not like the movie, we liked the movie. We just don't agree with your reasoning for not liking the movie.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFontane

In case you have trouble reading, I said the message was true. However, it's presented in an elitist way. Is the inventive villain presented as special? What about the superhero outfit designer? Is the fast kid's face not smug after he effortlessly gets second place in his school race? Is the short insurance agency boss not better at running a business than Mr. Incredible? So why is he not presented as special?

"The Incredibles argued that some people are just naturally better than others. Ratatouille re-affirms that, but it's not by birthright, like The Incredibles accidentally implied. Remy is a damn rat and he's a better chef than the son of a master. It's Brad Bird making sure that his respect for natural talents doesn't get misconstrued as classism of any kind." -https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd

The inventive villain is presented as special (he’s obviously very smart to the point that he almost kills superheroes with no superpowers), but you know, he’s still trying to kill them...

The outfit designer is special too but I don’t get what she has to do with anything. She’s also very smart when she develops the special outfits to protect them, not something that everyone can do.

The fast kid’s face is smug when he gets second place but it’s still second place, not first.

The short insurance agency boss was taking advantage of his customers by making it incredibly hard for them to make claims when they had the absolute right to do so given what it covers. That’s why Mr. Incredible gets so pissed off at him. He didn’t want to help the old lady when in fact her insurance was able to help her. Plus, combined that with the fact that he kept him from helping the guy that was getting mugged in the alley made him lose it for a bit. So maybe he was good at running a business but he was doing it the despicable way. Maybe that’s why he wasn’t presented as special in the first place.

If you’re good at something use it for something good, not something evil.

Edit- all main characters are special (even the villain and boss). What sets them apart is their personal choices on how they use what makes them special. The villain and boss use it for bad, and the superheroes and outfit designer use it for good. I really don’t see how that’s being elitist.

[JohnnyFontane]

Originally Posted by samlop10

The inventive villain is presented as special (he’s obviously very smart to the point that he almost kills superheroes with no superpowers), but you know, he’s still trying to kill them...

The outfit designer is special too but I don’t get what she has to do with anything. She’s also very smart when she develops the special outfits to protect them, not something that everyone can do.

The fast kid’s face is smug when he gets second place but it’s still second place, not first.

The short insurance agency boss was taking advantage of his customers by making it incredibly hard for them to make claims when they had the absolute right to do so given what it covers. That’s why Mr. Incredible gets so pissed off at him. He didn’t want to help the old lady when in fact her insurance was able to help her. Plus, combined that with the fact that he kept him from helping the guy that was getting mugged in the alley made him lose it for a bit. So maybe he was good at running a business but he was doing it the despicable way. Maybe that’s why he wasn’t presented as special in the first place.

If you’re good at something use it for something good, not something evil.

villain is still presented in a way that to me, says he's not allowed to be in the super hero club, even though his mind is a super power. he's excluded.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFontane

In case you have trouble reading, I said the message was true. However, it's presented in an elitist way. Is the inventive villain presented as special? What about the superhero outfit designer? Is the fast kid's face not smug after he effortlessly gets second place in his school race? Is the short insurance agency boss not better at running a business than Mr. Incredible? So why is he not presented as special?

No trouble reading at all. But your argument makes absolutely no sense.


And the kid getting second place is a gag sequence.

[JohnnyFontane]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

Brad Bird helmed both Ratatouille and The Incredibles. The Supers were different from the rest of the population. They were even shunned and forced into hiding. That's not exactly what I call elitist. They all had their faults. They couldn't deny what abilities they had, and when the time came to fight, they had to embrace who they were, especially Violet and Dash.

Maybe it's just the difference that they were super heroes and not rats, but I see a lot of similarities. Both Remy and the Supers had ability beyond what they "should" have. In both instances they struggle to want to be able to use their abilities, but have to do so in hiding.

Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree. You did not like the movie, we liked the movie. We just don't agree with your reasoning for not liking the movie.

before the supers were shunned, they were put on a pedestal and treated the way celebs are today. villain guy was rejected by Mr Incredible, excluded from the imaginary club supers belonged to.

[JohnnyFontane]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No trouble reading at all. But your argument makes absolutely no sense.


And the kid getting second place is a gag sequence.

why's the villain rejected by Mr Incredible?

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFontane

villain is still presented in a way that to me, says he's not allowed to be in the super hero club, even though his mind is a super power. he's excluded.

Well, he did make things worse early in the movie and almost got himself killed. Maybe that’s why Mr Incredible didn’t want him around. He was a kid and if he got hurt it would have been his responsibility since he was the adult. With his kids it’s different because he’s already responsible for them anyway and since they were in danger already from being affiliated with Mr Incredible, since they’re family, they had to fight back anyway. The parents try to keep their kids from becoming superheroes but the villain forced them to fight back too.

[bbeck]

I actually find the plot of Tomorrowland far more elitist than anything in The Incredibles or Ratatouille.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFontane

why's the villain rejected by Mr Incredible?

Same reason Batman initially rejected having Robin as his ward. Buddy was a Mr. Incredible fanboy.

[Mr. Forest]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFontane

why's the villain rejected by Mr Incredible?

1. Mr. Incredible works alone.
2. Syndrome is just a kid at the beginning of the film who was merely seeking to prove himself. All he wanted was recognition for his creations.
3. His desire to impress Mr. Incredible puts his own and other lives in danger, and allows for a villain to escape custody.

Those are just points from the top of my head.

[JohnnyFontane]

Originally Posted by bbeck

I actually find the plot of Tomorrowland far more elitist than anything in The Incredibles or Ratatouille.

i have no issues with Ratatouille, just Incredibles. I empathize more with the Incredibles villain than to the heroes. Incredibles feels very exclusionary to me.