Blu-ray/DVD, standard HDD and struggling with PS3, the id/RAGE circus - Blu-ray Forum

kindredwolf · 08-04-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

A PC is different, though.

Perhaps this is where the 360 and PS3's hard drives will have to come into play as well, like a PC's does. Certainly that's the only way I can see 360 people getting around "swapping discs." It won't happen to PC folks one way or the other nor PS3 folks obviously.

It's high time we started seeing the hard drives get employed on all of the game consoles for something past just downloading stuff off the Internet.

Overall, yes: Sony's long term vision for BD is already starting to see justification with news like this.

Check this article from Gamepro:
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=127148

Seems like the 20-30% of Xbox owners without HDD's are in danger of being screwed.

JTK · 08-04-2007, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kindredwolf

Check this article from Gamepro:
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=127148

Seems like the 20-30% of Xbox owners without HDD's are in danger of being screwed.

That I can believe.

You need to have a hard drive in this day and age, regardless of platform.

j_rocca42 · 08-04-2007, 06:47 PM

Looking forward to both of these games... Definetaly a s***e load of FPS coming out lately.

blu_world · 08-05-2007, 02:44 AM

woot,love the first person shooters

partridge · 08-05-2007, 07:56 AM

I expect MS to drop the price of the 20Gb hard drive and then release the 120Gb drive. They will never admit it but clearly MS have messed up seriously with the specs of their console, and it will never resolve itself. They can never 100% be sure that their user base all has a hard drive. So yeah, these people will be dumped on when games are released that require a hard drive.

As time goes on and drives get cheaper I expect Sony to periodically increase the size of the drive in new PS3's

Sylin · 08-05-2007, 09:03 AM

Chances are likely there won't be any disc swapping required on any platform, provided there is some type of HDD element involved. Based on what I've seen, the game and its engine and required files will all be on 1 disc. The additional disc is textures, which are probably compressed on the disc until install.

At WWDC, Carmack told us the demo we saw was over 24gb of textures--that's a helluva lot. For a PC, yes, but even more so for a console. And since you can't put 24gb of textures in RAM, then most of that will have to be on the HDD, whether it's PS3 or Xbox 360 or PC/Mac.

But I like where this is headed. Expect in the next 12-24 months to see PC mfr's start to put Blu drives in their systems (please, Apple... I beg you) because game developers will finally start to take advantage of this tech. All of the heightened awareness that Blu is good for gaming should also, by proxy, help bolster it as a winning home theater format. This is good strategy on Sony's part.

I'm also glad id is producing more family-friendly games. Anyone who has experience in the industry knows this is the Golden Goose.

ra1024 · 08-05-2007, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kindredwolf

Check this article from Gamepro:
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=127148

Seems like the 20-30% of Xbox owners without HDD's are in danger of being screwed.

lol, great comments from artsaber

mischa316 · 08-07-2007, 01:03 AM

Here is a link for a video with John Carmac!! This game looks kick ass I will definitely pick this up!!

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/id-tech-5-p.../810525p1.html

Mischa.

Shin-Ra · 07-19-2009, 05:30 PM

The latest from Game Informer

3 DVD's.

I wonder if Microsoft's giving id and Square-Enix a nice discount now.

Toxa · 07-19-2009, 05:53 PM

too small for my eyes

AranhaHunter · 07-19-2009, 05:53 PM

I don't know about Rage because it's a FPS game and those always sell well on 360, but I'm pretty confident (and this is a personal assumption here) they either removed or discounted the loyalty fee per disc for SE games (SO4, FFXIII). Again just an educated guess.

Sylin · 07-19-2009, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

The latest from Game Informer

2 DVD > 3 DVD.

I wonder if Microsoft's giving id and Square-Enix a nice discount now.

Just another reason why MS needs to release a 360 with a Blu-ray drive.

X400 · 07-19-2009, 06:24 PM

this games never coming out.... how many years has it been...??

they should just get it ready for the ps3 and release it and keep working on the PC/Xbox version

Shin-Ra · 07-19-2009, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylin

Just another reason why MS needs to release a 360 with a Blu-ray drive.

And start from 0 install base nearly four years into the generation? Fat chance of that.

heathward · 07-20-2009, 03:34 PM

so based on that small tidbit, i can assume Doom 4 is my coming to my beloved PS3? tehehehe i just peed a little...

08-04-2007, 06:47 PM	#3
j_rocca42 Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Recording live from somewhere Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:13	Looking forward to both of these games... Definetaly a s**e load of FPS coming out lately. Last edited by Shin-Ra; 08-05-2007 at 01:30 PM. Reason: swearing*

07-19-2009, 05:30 PM	#9
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	The latest from Game Informer 3 DVD's. I wonder if Microsoft's giving id and Square-Enix a nice discount now. Last edited by Shin-Ra; 07-21-2009 at 04:45 AM.

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08-05-2007, 02:44 AM	#4
blu_world Special Member Member since:Nov 2006 Home Theater Gallery:27 Blu-ray reviews:1	woot,love the first person shooters

08-05-2007, 07:56 AM	#5
partridge Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2005 Location:England	I expect MS to drop the price of the 20Gb hard drive and then release the 120Gb drive. They will never admit it but clearly MS have messed up seriously with the specs of their console, and it will never resolve itself. They can never 100% be sure that their user base all has a hard drive. So yeah, these people will be dumped on when games are released that require a hard drive. As time goes on and drives get cheaper I expect Sony to periodically increase the size of the drive in new PS3's

08-05-2007, 09:03 AM	#6
Sylin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Nashville Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:159	Chances are likely there won't be any disc swapping required on any platform, provided there is some type of HDD element involved. Based on what I've seen, the game and its engine and required files will all be on 1 disc. The additional disc is textures, which are probably compressed on the disc until install. At WWDC, Carmack told us the demo we saw was over 24gb of textures--that's a helluva lot. For a PC, yes, but even more so for a console. And since you can't put 24gb of textures in RAM, then most of that will have to be on the HDD, whether it's PS3 or Xbox 360 or PC/Mac. But I like where this is headed. Expect in the next 12-24 months to see PC mfr's start to put Blu drives in their systems (please, Apple... I beg you) because game developers will finally start to take advantage of this tech. All of the heightened awareness that Blu is good for gaming should also, by proxy, help bolster it as a winning home theater format. This is good strategy on Sony's part. I'm also glad id is producing more family-friendly games. Anyone who has experience in the industry knows this is the Golden Goose.

08-07-2007, 01:03 AM	#8
mischa316 Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Florida	Here is a link for a video with John Carmac!! This game looks kick ass I will definitely pick this up!! http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/id-tech-5-p.../810525p1.html Mischa.

07-19-2009, 05:53 PM	#10
Toxa Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Opera Garnier Home Theater Gallery:110 Blu-ray collection:311 Blu-ray reviews:1	too small for my eyes

07-19-2009, 05:53 PM	#11
AranhaHunter Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Trading Score:1	I don't know about Rage because it's a FPS game and those always sell well on 360, but I'm pretty confident (and this is a personal assumption here) they either removed or discounted the loyalty fee per disc for SE games (SO4, FFXIII). Again just an educated guess.

07-19-2009, 06:24 PM	#13
X400 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Kent Blu-ray collection:328 Blu-ray reviews:41 Trading Score:23	this games never coming out.... how many years has it been...?? they should just get it ready for the ps3 and release it and keep working on the PC/Xbox version

07-20-2009, 03:34 PM	#15
heathward Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Milwaukee, WI, USA PSNetwork ID: heathward Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA Blu-ray collection:47	so based on that small tidbit, i can assume Doom 4 is my coming to my beloved PS3? tehehehe i just peed a little...

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