Dagon - Beyond Genres Vol. 3 - (Umbrella Entertainment) Region Free - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

dlh · 07-25-2018, 06:34 PM

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Davidian · 07-25-2018, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jmat91

I've seen the disc, no DNR has been applied. Same master, umbrella chose not to get waxy with it.

I'm sorry buddy, I don't know what size your screen is, but on a projected 12' screen it's clear as day that DNR is present. Take a look at any shot looking through a window in the rain, the image just turns into a big soupy mess...

SymbioticFunction · 07-26-2018, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dlh

Movieside: https://www.movieside.de/showthread.php?tid=2256

Those are screenshots from the US release.

Alister_M · 07-26-2018, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SymbioticFunction

Those are screenshots from the US release.

Sixth post down has two screenshots from presumably the Umbrella one. Framing is slightly different on those ones, which actually look a *very* slight bit better than the screenshots from the US one.

SymbioticFunction · 07-26-2018, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Alister_M

Sixth post down has two screenshots from presumably the Umbrella one. Framing is slightly different on those ones, which actually look a *very* slight bit better than the screenshots from the US one.

My bad. I'm currently using a PS4 to look at internet and those 2 images aren't displaying. I'll switch on the laptop to take a look. Sorry 'dlh', thanks for the link.

Alister_M · 07-28-2018, 10:19 PM

Well, I watched it last night. There's definitely some DNR applied, but it's nowhere near as bad as something like Predator UHE. A couple of shots are horrible, like the one of the yacht caught in the storm where the waves look like something from a PS2 cutscene, but overall it's still highly watchable.

The real upgrade here is the audio, oddly enough the secondary track sounds better. I suspect the first one might be stereo upmixed to 5.1, while the second one has a higher bitrate (averaging about 1mbps higher) and the surround activity is incredibly immersive. I still can't understand most of Ezequiel's dialogue though

So it's a 3/5 for video and 4.5/5 for audio - only way to improve that would be if it was Atmos or DTS:X.

Monroville · 07-31-2018, 03:36 AM

Judging from the screen caps, the Umbrella retains the more natural color timing of the DVD release, as opposed to the US Vestron blu-ray which appears darker and with a slight green tint.

Robojaws · 07-31-2018, 12:11 PM

I just got mine shipped from JBHiFi and watched it a couple of days ago on a fairly big screen via a Full HD DLP projector.

The first 10 minutes or so (except for the poor underwater CGI) the image looked quite pleasing in terms of fine details, colours, etc...
... but once the settings changed from the boat to the village DNR was obvious and easy to spot. I cannnot say if it´s less DNR than when compared with the Vestron release. All I can say is, that the DNR used here is not as distracting and bad as on the Predator disc and it still lets some fine detail shine through from time to time, but overall all faces and textures are limited in their possible fine details due to the DNR.

You can make it less distracting by telling you that all characters are soaking wet almost throughout the entire movie and a slighty wet film on your skin and clothes will make you and fabrics look a little waxy. If you are able to bullshit yourself you might be fine and enjoy the picture quality to a certain degree... if not, well then you are f***ed :-)

There are some other issues with the PQ that come on top of the negative side. Lighting seems a little inconsistent and it can change from cut to cut in some scenes. This occurs probably because of the shooting conditions and you can´t do anything about it, but it still felt strange and I am not 100% sure this is because of bad color correction or could have been changed/repaired with some decent color correction.

In the first couple of minutes there is a wine glass that drops from the boat due to bad weather and when it breaks the wine flows down the side of the boat. The moment the glass breaks and the wine starts flowing the wine itself had some heavy pixelation. i did not play that part again to double check and the part last maybe 1 second, but still... this sucked. I did not spot any other similar pixelation (is that the word? Sorry, not a native speaker) throughout the movie.

Overall the PQ is NOT good, the DNR sucks (but not as bad as one might suspect), some fine detail is still there, the colors are exceptable (little fluctuations from cut to cut), blacks are quite strong and the whole movie is uncut.
PQ: 2 (maybe 2,5 if you are generous) from 5

AQ: have to double check on the other track, that is suppoed to be superior (I don´t know which one I chose). All I know is, that I watched it with some Master Audio 5.1 track, which wasn´t impressive at all... exceptable.

There are english subtitles for the whole movie, even for the spanish parts, but when Spanish is spoken the subs are in Spanish and do not give any translation.

Alister_M · 07-31-2018, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robojaws

AQ: have to double check on the other track, that is suppoed to be superior (I don´t know which one I chose). All I know is, that I watched it with some Master Audio 5.1 track, which wasn´t impressive at all... exceptable.

There are english subtitles for the whole movie, even for the spanish parts, but when Spanish is spoken the subs are in Spanish and do not give any translation.

The default track is the lower-bitrate one, the secondary track is better.

I need to check my old R1 DVD but I'm fairly sure the Spanish was never translated.

From Beyond · 08-01-2018, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Futurhythm

Reading the posts here, is the general consensus the Umbrella disc is a little bit better than the Vestron one? I already have the Vestron, but I'm willing to double dip if there is a noticeable difference.

Prob not worth it

Davidian · 08-01-2018, 09:06 AM

They're neither that flash, but I think the edge would go to Umbrella for the audio. YMMV however...

SymbioticFunction · 08-03-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robojaws

In the first couple of minutes there is a wine glass that drops from the boat due to bad weather and when it breaks the wine flows down the side of the boat. The moment the glass breaks and the wine starts flowing the wine itself had some heavy pixelation.

I see what you mean. Very unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by Alister_M

The default track is the lower-bitrate one, the secondary track is better.

Thanks for that advice. I won't have the opportunity to properly view the whole film until Monday but I had a look/listen to moments today. There is a massive difference in quality between the two tracks. Track 1 didn't even seem to be in surround sound. The start of chapter 3 sounded totally different. It's really odd that there is a superior audio track which can only be accessed by pressing the audio button on your remote whilst the film is playing. It's very strange that the default track wasn't automatically the best option and that the superior one was kinda 'hidden' on the disc. Not sure what Umbrella were thinking?

SymbioticFunction · 08-07-2018, 12:05 PM

I thought the noise reduction on this was really bad. If Predator looks worse, I would hate to see it.

Last time I saw something so extreme, was on Weird Science (which I sold off). Kinda depressing that bds like this are still being produced in 2018.

SymbioticFunction · 08-07-2018, 01:29 PM

btw As Robojaws said, it looks okay at the start. But a very large percentage of the film has ridiculously smooth faces during the dark or rainy moments. It would be laughable were it not so disappointing.

hdgfs · 09-17-2018, 08:01 AM

Review is up on this site

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dagon...205397/#Review

badfingerboogie · 09-17-2018, 08:01 PM

Anyone else have trouble with this disc? Usually I have no problems with Umbrella discs, but this one froze up for me around the 80 minute mark.

LordCrumb · 09-17-2018, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hdgfs

Review is up on this site

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dagon...205397/#Review

Yep, I'm glad I didn't buy this before the reviews/comments. It's certainly a shocker.

I don't blame Unbrella for this one though, it's just what they got?

PT Ryan · 09-17-2018, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LordCrumb

Yep, I'm glad I didn't buy this before the reviews/comments. It's certainly a shocker.

I don't blame Unbrella for this one though, it's just what they got?

Yeah, they wouldn't have been involved in creating the transfer for this one. Even with their releases of Australian titles, its often been a case of using what they're given. You should see their Ozploitation DVD titles, which have come from VHS rental transfers (Kadicha), slightly better quality tape masters (Innocent Prey) or even old TV transfers (Dead Easy, which opens with a Roadshow Television ident!).

SymbioticFunction · 09-18-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by badfingerboogie

Anyone else have trouble with this disc? Usually I have no problems with Umbrella discs, but this one froze up for me around the 80 minute mark.

Played fine on my PS3.

EvilResident · 09-18-2018, 06:07 PM

That is SWEET cover art, but everything else about this release appears to suck. I'll stick with the US release thanks.

07-31-2018, 12:11 PM	#28
Robojaws Active Member Member since:Jan 2017 Location:Germany 4K collection:348 Blu-ray collection:2188 DVD collection:6 Blu-ray reviews: 13	I just got mine shipped from JBHiFi and watched it a couple of days ago on a fairly big screen via a Full HD DLP projector. The first 10 minutes or so (except for the poor underwater CGI) the image looked quite pleasing in terms of fine details, colours, etc... ... but once the settings changed from the boat to the village DNR was obvious and easy to spot. I cannnot say if it´s less DNR than when compared with the Vestron release. All I can say is, that the DNR used here is not as distracting and bad as on the Predator disc and it still lets some fine detail shine through from time to time, but overall all faces and textures are limited in their possible fine details due to the DNR. You can make it less distracting by telling you that all characters are soaking wet almost throughout the entire movie and a slighty wet film on your skin and clothes will make you and fabrics look a little waxy. If you are able to bullshit yourself you might be fine and enjoy the picture quality to a certain degree... if not, well then you are f**ed :-) There are some other issues with the PQ that come on top of the negative side. Lighting seems a little inconsistent and it can change from cut to cut in some scenes. This occurs probably because of the shooting conditions and you can´t do anything about it, but it still felt strange and I am not 100% sure this is because of bad color correction or could have been changed/repaired with some decent color correction. In the first couple of minutes there is a wine glass that drops from the boat due to bad weather and when it breaks the wine flows down the side of the boat. The moment the glass breaks and the wine starts flowing the wine itself had some heavy pixelation. i did not play that part again to double check and the part last maybe 1 second, but still... this sucked. I did not spot any other similar pixelation (is that the word? Sorry, not a native speaker) throughout the movie. Overall the PQ is NOT good, the DNR sucks (but not as bad as one might suspect), some fine detail is still there, the colors are exceptable (little fluctuations from cut to cut), blacks are quite strong and the whole movie is uncut. PQ: 2 (maybe 2,5 if you are generous) from 5 AQ: have to double check on the other track, that is suppoed to be superior (I don´t know which one I chose). All I know is, that I watched it with some Master Audio 5.1 track, which wasn´t impressive at all... exceptable. There are english subtitles for the whole movie, even for the spanish parts, but when Spanish is spoken the subs are in Spanish and do not give any translation. Last edited by Robojaws; 07-31-2018 at 12:33 PM.*

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07-25-2018, 06:34 PM	#21
dlh Member Member since:Apr 2016 Location:Germany	Movieside: https://www.movieside.de/showthread.php?tid=2256

07-28-2018, 10:19 PM	#26
Alister_M Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Feb 2016 4K collection:352 Blu-ray collection:1923 DVD collection:21 Blu-ray reviews:15 Trading Score:5	Well, I watched it last night. There's definitely some DNR applied, but it's nowhere near as bad as something like Predator UHE. A couple of shots are horrible, like the one of the yacht caught in the storm where the waves look like something from a PS2 cutscene, but overall it's still highly watchable. The real upgrade here is the audio, oddly enough the secondary track sounds better. I suspect the first one might be stereo upmixed to 5.1, while the second one has a higher bitrate (averaging about 1mbps higher) and the surround activity is incredibly immersive. I still can't understand most of Ezequiel's dialogue though So it's a 3/5 for video and 4.5/5 for audio - only way to improve that would be if it was Atmos or DTS:X.

07-31-2018, 03:36 AM	#27
Monroville Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2009 Location:Louisville, KY Blu-ray reviews: 20 Trading Score:30	Judging from the screen caps, the Umbrella retains the more natural color timing of the DVD release, as opposed to the US Vestron blu-ray which appears darker and with a slight green tint.

08-01-2018, 09:06 AM	#31
Davidian Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Perth 4K collection:94 Blu-ray collection:1985 Blu-ray reviews: 4 Trading Score:12	They're neither that flash, but I think the edge would go to Umbrella for the audio. YMMV however...

08-07-2018, 12:05 PM	#33
SymbioticFunction Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2009 Location:Chichester, UK 4K collection:153 Blu-ray collection:986 DVD collection:120 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:2	I thought the noise reduction on this was really bad. If Predator looks worse, I would hate to see it. Last time I saw something so extreme, was on Weird Science (which I sold off). Kinda depressing that bds like this are still being produced in 2018.

08-07-2018, 01:29 PM	#34
SymbioticFunction Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2009 Location:Chichester, UK 4K collection:153 Blu-ray collection:986 DVD collection:120 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:2	btw As Robojaws said, it looks okay at the start. But a very large percentage of the film has ridiculously smooth faces during the dark or rainy moments. It would be laughable were it not so disappointing.

09-17-2018, 08:01 AM	#35
hdgfs Power Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2010 Location:the Tiger Train 4K collection:1350 Blu-ray collection:4221 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:2	Review is up on this site https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dagon...205397/#Review

09-17-2018, 08:01 PM	#36
badfingerboogie Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2013 Location:Sydney, Australia Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Anyone else have trouble with this disc? Usually I have no problems with Umbrella discs, but this one froze up for me around the 80 minute mark.

09-18-2018, 06:07 PM	#40
EvilResident Special Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2013 Location:Duluth, MN 4K collection:79 Blu-ray collection:1364 DVD collection:473 Digital collection:209	That is SWEET cover art, but everything else about this release appears to suck. I'll stick with the US release thanks.

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