The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[OgamiittoMcJ]

WB have made a right mess of this, esp the announcement saying 146m
and not being clear exactly what cuts we may be getting

they made a mess of 2001 too, so not that surprised

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by OgamiittoMcJ

WB have made a right mess of this, esp the announcement saying 146m
and not being clear exactly what cuts we may be getting

they made a mess of 2001 too, so not that surprised

If we don't have to get corrected discs like 2001, I'll be happy.

[OgamiittoMcJ]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

If we don't have to get corrected discs like 2001, I'll be happy.

haha yeh, there will likely be something as this film is studied more than most

[crazybeats]

Of course it's out there. I'm surprised after all these screenings with those close to Kubrick attending no one has ever asked them outright if the ending exists on a print, a simple yes or no answer and I don't care how much power Kubrick had, Warner Bros made those prints for him, they made the prints for those advanced screenings, he might dictate what he does in England, he doesn't tell Warner Bros in America what to do with their own negatives and prints and do you really think Warner Bros made the exact number of prints he requested? You don't think they made their own copies of everything they had?

What about the actors? Jack Nicholson didn't take copies of his stuff? Danny Lloyd has done the convention circuit for a while now, his Mother apparantly asked for all his scenes and Kubrick gave them to her so why does no one ask him about that?


I think with these releases having the same old extras on them, it's a cash grab and maybe that's just the way it always will be from now. Same with the Batman movies, don't bother including all those deleted scenes and outtakes, just show little clips of them in the making of documentaries. Warner Bros could do a lot more but they don't. At least with the other Kubrick films Warner owns you know what to expect, same old extras but a 4K restoration and if you want to pay the money for it then pay it. Same with the 19 minutes of 2001 which Warner have, it gets to the point where it's not even worth talking about because it ends up with all this stuff about what Stanley wanted and he wanted this and he wanted that well he's been dead for 20 years so at some point you have to factor in new technology and new ways of consuming films and by all means respect the man's wishes but at the same time it's not that big of a deal. If Stanley was alive today I have no doubt whatsoever he would be happy showing clips of the hospital ending and outtakes, he let his daughter film 80 hours behind the scenes footage from The Shining (which still exist btw) and allowed what she wanted to be screened on TV. This whole thing about him not wanting his films edited is one thing....but he showed a lot of evidence in his life that he was willing to let you see him making those films, same with Full Metal Jacket, he allowed that behind the scenes footage and had that technology been around a decade prior and Vivian been a decade older I've no doubt he would have gladly allowed her to film Clockwork Orange and let that stuff be shown.


It gets tiresome because neither the family nor Warner Bros seem to want to put any effort in at all. Jack Nicholson is in his 80's, you can't get Jack Nicholson for an interview? You can't pay the man money to do a commentary? It's a sad thing for me to say but when I look at these releases among others, it really does come across as a cash grab by Warner Bros. I feel the same way about the Batman films. Just the same old stuff and wanting high prices for it when there's a ton of footage out there they could release and most certainly a ton of people still around that they could interview and give a real proper making of documentary of each film.


I also believe there is the collectors side to. There are people in America with private film collections. Some films that were thought lost have had fantastic restorations all because private collectors opened their vaults...for the right price. Of course those people would never make themselves known on the internet but they are around. Things will swing round. We'll go 40 years in the past. At some point physical media really will die out or it will be tiny compared to now and all you'll have on your TV is an app and no special features and when it comes to films like this, it'll be the 1970s all over again. You'll watch it on TV and that's it. Maybe get it on a Warner Bros app.....but ultimately it will go back to how things were, a TV guide and you'll watch whatever the TV channels tell you to watch. No more going to shops to buy films and rent films. It'll just be a TV screen and that's it and you wont even need a recorder, the TV will store your recordings.

[AlexIlDottore]

I stopped reading when you said cash grab.

Shining in 4K from the OCN is not a bloody cash grab

[jerclay]

So of course I had to ask HMV about both versions being in 4K in the UK, and their reply was: “At the moment our suppliers are still working this out with the manufacturers and we would recommend checking back with us closer to the release date (Mid September) for further updates”. Mid-September, here I come

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by jerclay

So of course I had to ask HMV about both versions being in 4K in the UK, and their reply was: “At the moment our suppliers are still working this out with the manufacturers and we would recommend checking back with us closer to the release date (Mid September) for further updates”. Mid-September, here I come

What?!! So their marketing team jumped the gun?!! Shock horror.

At least they've admitted they don't have a effing clue.

[jerclay]

You gotta love controversy surrounding Kubrick’s 4K releases though

[nekromantik]

from the banner it sounds like the extended cut is on BD and not UHD.
I hope if it is in 4k that they dont do what Fox did for Alien and upscale it rather then a new master.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

Exactly. I get tired of the pompous armchair film critics who seem to think they know more about a directors work then the director himself.

This site is full of experts, didn't you know? Sometimes I think I'm the only non-expert on this site.

[OgamiittoMcJ]

Originally Posted by nekromantik

I hope if it is in 4k that they dont do what Fox did for Alien and upscale it rather then a new master.

from the US blurb

The 4K remastering was done using a new 4K scan of the original 35mm camera negative at Warner Bros. Motion Picture Imaging. Filmmaker Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick's former personal assistant Leon Vitali worked closely with the team at Warner Bros. during the mastering process.

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=25112

[gates70]

Originally Posted by jerclay

You gotta love controversy surrounding Kubrick’s 4K releases though

There is no controversy, only the drama of Blu-Ray.com... Average Joe that buys this at the store doesn't care.

[OgamiittoMcJ]

Originally Posted by jerclay

You gotta love controversy surrounding Kubrick’s 4K releases though

yep I enjoy all Kubrick controversy/theories/opinions/film analysis

of which there is more than plenty

[OgamiittoMcJ]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

I stopped reading when you said cash grab.

Shining in 4K from the OCN is not a bloody cash grab

so will you change you're mind
if they release 40th Anniversary next year

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by jerclay

You gotta love controversy surrounding Kubrick’s 4K releases though

I kinda miss the 'early aspect ratio wars' days but there's always oodles of good stuff whenever we get a new release.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by gates70

There is no controversy, only the drama of Blu-Ray.com... Average Joe that buys this at the store doesn't care.

Are there really that many average Joes buying UHDs? I like to think that botched releases like T2 have sat on the shelf because informed UHD consumers know to avoid them.

I also think even a good number of 'average' Europeans will be unhappy if their market's release doesn't include the cut they grew up with and presumably liked enough to buy again on another format. I can at least say with great certainty that my GF, a film/Kubrick lover for sure but not an obsessed collector, would be pissed if she bought an American release of The Shining and it didn't include her preferred American cut.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

Are there really that many average Joes buying UHDs? I like to think that botched releases like T2 have sat on the shelf because informed UHD consumers know to avoid them.

I also think even a good number of 'average' Europeans will be unhappy if their market's release doesn't include the cut they grew up with and presumably liked enough to buy again on another format. I can at least say with great certainty that my GF, a film/Kubrick lover for sure but not an obsessed collector, would be pissed if she bought an American release of The Shining and it didn't include her preferred American cut.

I know plenty of people that buy movies and don't even know this site exists. They just go and buy the movies they want.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by gates70

I know plenty of people that buy movies and don't even know this site exists. They just go and buy the movies they want.

Sure, there's lots of people like that buying BDs and especially DVDs but someone who went to the trouble of buying a full 4K setup, including a UHD player, is likely to be a bit more discerning.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

Sure, there's lots of people like that buying BDs and especially DVDs but someone who went to the trouble of buying a full 4K setup, including a UHD player, is likely to be a bit more discerning.

No matter what, there's still a very small percentage of people that come on this site or care about the minutias that are talked about here.

[multiformous]

Originally Posted by gates70

No matter what, there's still a very small percentage of people that come on this site or care about the minutias that are talked about here.

*minutiae