Aladdin 4K UHD (1992) (The Signature Collection)

[starkrogersthor91]

Originally Posted by Nagamura

That's because Aladdin is the first remake to be released since Disney joining 4K. Also, don't say Dumbo because it wouldn't benefit from a 4K release (in my opinion).

Why would Mulan benefit any more from 4K? Dumbo was released at the height of Disney's Golden Era - and those movies are, arguably, more gorgeous than anything else out there. Vibrant colours, gorgeous brush-strokes, cels and ink. Mulan was entirely created on a computer - the aesthetic is completely different.

[Nagamura]

Originally Posted by davlee1991

Why would Mulan benefit any more from 4K? Dumbo was released at the height of Disney's Golden Era - and those movies are, arguably, more gorgeous than anything else out there. Vibrant colours, gorgeous brush-strokes, cels and ink. Mulan was entirely created on a computer - the aesthetic is completely different.

I'm not trying to get into a different debate here. I'm just going to end this with a "we'll wait and see" regarding a possible 4K release.

[starkrogersthor91]

Originally Posted by Nagamura

I'm not trying to get into a different debate here. I'm just going to end this with a "we'll wait and see" regarding a possible 4K release.

I'd personally love one myself, but knowing Disney's release patterns, I'm just saying don't hold your breathe - especially as it's not considered prestegious enough for the Signature line. But hey, they could always shove it in there for additional sales, they've changed the line up in the past.
Perhaps being a "Renaissance" title might give it a leg up for a 4K release. We'll see I guess.

[Farerb]

I never said that Walt's motivation didn't revolve around money, sure he wanted to make money, that's understandable. But do you really believe that when he made Snow White or Bambi or Sleeping Beauty that money was the only thing on his mind? That he didn't care about the quality of the film or that he didn't want to make something artistically?

[pikachufan1336]

Originally Posted by Nagamura

Regardless, Disney has been releasing 4K editions alongside their remakes and sequels. So I don't see why Mulan would be any different.

Not always..... They didn't with Alice though the looking glass or Dumbo, and those two animated films do way better than Mulan.

Originally Posted by davlee1991

Why would Mulan benefit any more from 4K? Dumbo was released at the height of Disney's Golden Era - and those movies are, arguably, more gorgeous than anything else out there. Vibrant colours, gorgeous brush-strokes, cels and ink. Mulan was entirely created on a computer - the aesthetic is completely different.

Originally Posted by davlee1991

I'd personally love one myself, but knowing Disney's release patterns, I'm just saying don't hold your breathe - especially as it's not considered prestegious enough for the Signature line. But hey, they could always shove it in there for additional sales, they've changed the line up in the past.
Perhaps being a "Renaissance" title might give it a leg up for a 4K release. We'll see I guess.

I think you're reading too much into the Disney Vault. The line up has nothing to do with who is worthy and who isn't. It is very specifically how well that particular movie did in that particular market.
Fantasia Dumbo and Alice in Wonderland, were never in the line up because... we'll call it technicality reasons, for example. Yet Cinderella, Peter Pan and The Jungle Book were always part of the line up.

That doesn't mean they're better movies!

Especially Fantasia and Dumbo, which every single animation/film history book I've ever read gives it glowing praise and importance far beyond anything Disney made in the 50's and forward.
I totally get where this face value is coming from (I was there), but it means nothing. Even Walt Disney will certainly tell you that Fantasia/Dumbo is better than Sleeping Beauty (then again that guy was never satisfied with anything he made so it's hard to say exactly what he would say but I digress). If you think it's a great movie that's all that matters, a "prestigious" line up doesn't make the film any better or worse, even if they did go all out for their releases.

As for Mulan, again, that movie, despite being popular (having a higher rating on IMDB than half of the Vault movies), doesn't do that well on blu ray. So they might give it a regular release but I wouldn't hold my breath on a 4k.

[Farerb]

Through the Looking Glass was released when Disney hasn't started releasing 4Ks yet, so there was no reason to release Alice on 4K back then, also it is not a digital film. Dumbo and Mary Poppins are not digital films, which might be the reason why Disney hasn't released them + Cinderella + Sleeping Beauty + 101 Dalmatians on 4K, The Little Mermaid is the only exception. Mulan on the other hand is a digital film, but like you said Disney's home media department never treated this film well on home media, so it can go either way. Right now we don't really have any indication to what they might do with a film like Mulan since so far only Signature Renaissance films and revival films have been the only to be released on 4K.

[pikachufan1336]

Originally Posted by farerb

Right now we don't really have any indication to what they might do with a film like Mulan since so far only Signature Renaissance films and revival films have been the only to be released on 4K.

It doesn't matter if the line up existed or not
Once again
It really doesn't do that well on blu ray
Disney is not going to bother

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by pikachufan1336

It doesn't matter if the line up existed or not
Once again
It really doesn't do that well on blu ray
Disney is not going to bother

Mulan is sourced from the original CAPS files and can be easily presented in 4K. It has been released in a couple of different Blu-ray UPC's.

I don't think it far fetched that we will see a 4K release of both the original 1998 animated film alongside the live action remake similar to the pattern we are seeing with Aladdin. The synergy of selling both films together allows them to streamline marketing campaigns. Those who just want the new one or the original are both targeted, and those who like both can purchase both. It's win-win-win.

[Blu Cider]

No edge enhancement this time around Disney. Thanks in advance!

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by pikachufan1336

It doesn't matter if the line up existed or not
Once again
It really doesn't do that well on blu ray
Disney is not going to bother

Bother with what? Upscaling a film is not that hard. There's probably a software that does that. Then it's only a matter of repackaging and rereleasing, which they have done for that film before. Again, Mulan is a digital film, it doesn't need a complex restoration.

[Nagamura]

Originally Posted by pikachufan1336

Not always..... They didn't with Alice though the looking glass or Dumbo, and those two animated films do way better than Mulan.

Alice Through the Looking Glass released before Disney's venture into the 4K format.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Blu Cider

No edge enhancement this time around Disney. Thanks in advance!

The edge enhancement is baked into the master CAPS files, just as it was for Lilo & Stitch.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by Blu Cider

No edge enhancement this time around Disney. Thanks in advance!

What exactly is edge enhancement?

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

What exactly is edge enhancement?

Artificial sharpening.

[pikachufan1336]

Ok I give up. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what's going on but I'm clearly not getting it. So whatever happens to Mulan happens.

[JT2]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

It's okay, nothing memorable. But thanks!

What??? It's an incredible song that a then, barely known Christina Aguilera nails! In fact, that is the song that got her her major record deal in the end. Will be interesting to see what the live action film does with it.

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The edge enhancement is baked into the master CAPS files, just as it was for Lilo & Stitch.

CAPS is simply a transportation system for elements, similar to how Photoshop has multiple layers. The edge enhancement appears to have been applied in the transfer to home video, not on the original caps files. There used to be an Ipad app from Disney that allowed you to browse the original layers of the CAPS files for a few shots of Friend Like Me. The sharpening is definitely not seen there. When Disney returns to the CAPS files they can re-composite them at 2K resolution and upscale them. If they perform tbe same process that was completed for Lion King you will see a few things:

The current Disney logo at the beginning and end, an updated copyright year, actual 4K resolution end credits, less edge enhancement on the release, slightly more accurate color thanks to HDR, less banding, no stairstepping on line art, and of course a new Atmos remix.

The main question remaining will be if they use CAPS elements from the original theatrical release or some of the altered versions for the IMAX version.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by pikachufan1336

Ok I give up. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what's going on but I'm clearly not getting it. So whatever happens to Mulan happens.

Why is everyone talking about Mulan? Who cares about that movie? This is supposed to be a thread about Aladdin. Can we please get back to talking about that?

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Artificial sharpening.

Okay, thanks 👍

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by that1guystudios

CAPS is simply a transportation system for elements, similar to how Photoshop has multiple layers. The edge enhancement appears to have been applied in the transfer to home video, not on the original caps files.

The sharpening artifacts are identical on both the Blu-ray and previous DVD. The "master" that they struck film prints from.