The Def-Tech CLR 2500 Center... Thoughts?

[zachd73]

Originally Posted by Lanfear

Here's the comparison between the 2 from the official site: http://www.definitivetech.com/Compar...2500,C/L/R2002

I can tell you one thing, it blends really well with my BP7002s. Sounds great during movies. I'm happy

Lanfear ... do you have a separate subwoofer with the BP7002's???

I am thinking about getting a pair of 7004's but wondering how well they go with a separate sub... is having three subs good?! I don't want bass overkill!

As mentioned if I did eventually get the 2500 center, I'd have 4 subs!

I don't have a very big space, it seems somewhat like overkill.. but, maybe I just lower the level on the sub and get better overall quality and "coverage" for the low end??

[Lanfear]

Originally Posted by zachd73

Lanfear ... do you have a separate subwoofer with the BP7002's???

I am thinking about getting a pair of 7004's but wondering how well they go with a separate sub... is having three subs good?! I don't want bass overkill!

As mentioned if I did eventually get the 2500 center, I'd have 4 subs!

I don't have a very big space, it seems somewhat like overkill.. but, maybe I just lower the level on the sub and get better overall quality and "coverage" for the low end??

C'mon, you can never have enough bass

Actually, I do plan on getting a separate sub sometime down the road but currently I just have the ones in the 7002s. They are more than adequate during movie night. I'm satisfied.

My advice would be to get the system without the sub first. Set it up and go through the motions. Try your favorite movies, music and games.

Once you "test drive" them for a bit then you can decide if it's enough bass for you. If it's not enough or you think that you would benefit from getting another sub, then go for it.

Sound is a really subjective topic. I really can't say that you will definitely benefit from having a separate in your situation. Let us know what you decide. Good luck to you man.

[zachd73]

Originally Posted by Lanfear

C'mon, you can never have enough bass

Actually, I do plan on getting a separate sub sometime down the road but currently I just have the ones in the 7002s. They are more than adequate during movie night. I'm satisfied.

My advice would be to get the system without the sub first. Set it up and go through the motions. Try your favorite movies, music and games.

Once you "test drive" them for a bit then you can decide if it's enough bass for you. If it's not enough or you think that you would benefit from getting another sub, then go for it.

Sound is a really subjective topic. I really can't say that you will definitely benefit from having a separate in your situation. Let us know what you decide. Good luck to you man.

So I made a huge score last night to get some more def-tech speakers!
I got all the gear below for $1400:

2 BP7004 Front Speakers
1 C/L/R 2002 Center Channel Speaker
2 BP1.2X Rear Speakers

Pioneer Elite:
VSX 92TXH Surround Sound Receiver

The guy worked at Magnolia in Best Buy and it was all very nice and like new.

So now I have three subs! I'm sure I'll be happy with the 2002 for some time to come but maybe I'll be on the lookout for a 2300 or higher with the sub built in also.

I'm excited about the receiver because now I can do ALL the HD formats. Before I was using analog 7.1 so I couldn't really do all of them.


I'll report back on the bass and how much is too much. I was thinking of maybe passing out earplugs for the next movie night like in Rushmore before his play opens.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by zachd73

So I made a huge score last night to get some more def-tech speakers!
I got all the gear below for $1400:

2 BP7004 Front Speakers
1 C/L/R 2002 Center Channel Speaker
2 BP1.2X Rear Speakers

Pioneer Elite:
VSX 92TXH Surround Sound Receiver

The guy worked at Magnolia in Best Buy and it was all very nice and like new.

So now I have three subs! I'm sure I'll be happy with the 2002 for some time to come but maybe I'll be on the lookout for a 2300 or higher with the sub built in also.

I'm excited about the receiver because now I can do ALL the HD formats. Before I was using analog 7.1 so I couldn't really do all of them.


I'll report back on the bass and how much is too much. I was thinking of maybe passing out earplugs for the next movie night like in Rushmore before his play opens.

GAH, I am so jealous! Let me know how well you feel the BP1.2X meshes with your fronts. I've been debating on those or the BP2X's to go with my BP6b fronts.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by aramis109

GAH, I am so jealous! Let me know how well you feel the BP1.2X meshes with your fronts. I've been debating on those or the BP2X's to go with my BP6b fronts.

They will mesh very well Aramis109, I even have BP1's and BP2's in my system - I thought about going to Snell, but for my generation of Snell speakers - the BP's are actually a better match- they use some of the same Vifa drivers as my current Snell speakers do. My son and I watched the Director's cut of Fearless last night and my son couldn't stop talking about how the system just blends together (birds actually sound like they where coming from beyond the walls - actually outside ect) He enjoyed himself alot!!!

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by prerich

They will mesh very well Aramis109, I even have BP1's and BP2's in my system - I thought about going to Snell, but for my generation of Snell speakers - the BP's are actually a better match- they use some of the same Vifa drivers as my current Snell speakers do. My son and I watched the Director's cut of Fearless last night and my son couldn't stop talking about how the system just blends together (birds actually sound like they where coming from beyond the walls - actually outside ect) He enjoyed himself alot!!!

So I could go with the 1.2x's and you think it'd mesh ok? There are some definite (no pun intended) advantages- they're smaller, and they're cheaper. My wife has been after me to spend less money.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by aramis109

So I could go with the 1.2x's and you think it'd mesh ok? There are some definite (no pun intended) advantages- they're smaller, and they're cheaper. My wife has been after me to spend less money.

As I always say, I'm prejudiced to Bipole or dipole rears (although the BP series are all bipoles). The convenence factor and the soundfield that they generate is exceptional!!! I would use the 1.2's over another Def Tech tower in the rear for the sake of the soundfield. That's just my personal opinion. I don't mind towers in the rear and for those that can afford it - go for it, but I do like specilalized surround speakers also. You won't go wrong with the 1.2x's

[zachd73]

Originally Posted by prerich

They will mesh very well Aramis109, I even have BP1's and BP2's in my system - I thought about going to Snell, but for my generation of Snell speakers - the BP's are actually a better match- they use some of the same Vifa drivers as my current Snell speakers do. My son and I watched the Director's cut of Fearless last night and my son couldn't stop talking about how the system just blends together (birds actually sound like they where coming from beyond the walls - actually outside ect) He enjoyed himself alot!!!

Since you guys are familiar with the BP1.2x surround speakers... could you please help me decide how to place them??!

I know it has been asked before and I have read some threads, but I can't find any answers... which... I know the answer will probably be "Try it different ways until it sounds the best". I will try and do that, but it would be helpful to know which ways is in theory, the best...

Here is my back wall

http://backspinrecords.net/ht/backwall.jpg

As you can see I have the classic constraint of 'couch against wall'
I've never really though about it, but I could probably move it out about 6" from the wall .. maybe a foot.. it would be kind of weird but probably not a big deal.

Anyways.. I could put these bpx's on the back wall or on the side wall where my current rears reside...

It seems to me it makes more sense to put them on the backwall although as you can see they would be 1 foot to 1.5 feet away from the sidewall and they would be maybe 6 inches behind the listening position which is also a tight squeeze.

Some invisible voice is telling me to move the couch out 9 inches, and then put them behind the couch as close to the window/curtain as I can get them.

Are the voices in my head right??!

I'm doing official movie night Sunday. I have to work sat. but I'll probably get this all set up and calibrated Sunday. Those BPx's are pretty easy to mount.. just put in a screw and hang them.. so maybe I will try both positions and see which is better.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by zachd73

Since you guys are familiar with the BP1.2x surround speakers... could you please help me decide how to place them??!

I know it has been asked before and I have read some threads, but I can't find any answers... which... I know the answer will probably be "Try it different ways until it sounds the best". I will try and do that, but it would be helpful to know which ways is in theory, the best...

Here is my back wall

http://backspinrecords.net/ht/backwall.jpg

As you can see I have the classic constraint of 'couch against wall'
I've never really though about it, but I could probably move it out about 6" from the wall .. maybe a foot.. it would be kind of weird but probably not a big deal.

Anyways.. I could put these bpx's on the back wall or on the side wall where my current rears reside...

It seems to me it makes more sense to put them on the backwall although as you can see they would be 1 foot to 1.5 feet away from the sidewall and they would be maybe 6 inches behind the listening position which is also a tight squeeze.

Some invisible voice is telling me to move the couch out 9 inches, and then put them behind the couch as close to the window/curtain as I can get them.

Are the voices in my head right??!

I'm doing official movie night Sunday. I have to work sat. but I'll probably get this all set up and calibrated Sunday. Those BPx's are pretty easy to mount.. just put in a screw and hang them.. so maybe I will try both positions and see which is better.

Preferably...the back wall, but the side wall would give a pleasing sound also. Here's a trick I've learned from HT Magazine many moons ago... If you place them on the side wall and if you feel comfortable about it - you can transform your Bipoles to Dipoles by wiring one set of the Bipoles out of phase (rear firing drivers out of phase with the front firing ones). I've had good results with this before, but if you are afraid to mess with the crossover/speaker connections - just try them on the sides and see how you like it.