No Time to Die 4K UHD (2021)

[Platitude]

Originally Posted by Dunemoon

The film isn't intended for those who grew up with Connery, Moore & Dalton. The tweaking started with Brosnan's Bond who was hen pecked by M for being a misogynistic dinosaur etc

Which is why the faults of Craig's era are so glaring. The film version of Bond shouldn't be a mopey man who quits his job when things get tough (Skyfall & No Time To Die). When the action gets going he's still a sad panda (Italian car sequence just before the turrets fire out). Moaning his way through until he permanently gives up.

The only Craig film I didn't like (prior to seeing this one) was Spectre and I've always enjoyed the 'misogynistc dinosaur' line, so I probably don't like this one for different reasons than you. Mostly I just tire of stories retreading the trope of

[Show spoiler]snatching away love/happiness from a character when they've just finally gotten it, in this case by killing him off right after he found he had a child whos life he's missed out on.

. Also a couple other things I didn't care for was

[Show spoiler]Madeline had no reason to betray him, so the fact that he just immediately nixed her out of his life was real dumb. And M never seemingly stopping to think how his pet project could be turned against the world was pretty unbelievable, and if they were going to do it they should have at least had him feel the consequences by having him get fired or something once it was revealed.

[SGFfilmfan]

The next Bond should END (emotionally) where Craig's started.

I think he was bitter & jaded far too quickly.

Also, I never understood why Craig's Bond was a spy or even wanted to be one?

I know why they (MI6) recruited him, but not why he did it. He didn't seem to enjoy it or be good at it.

I hope the new one is more enthusiastic about the job and GOOD at it.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by SGFfilmfan

The next Bond should END (emotionally) where Craig's started.

I think he was bitter & jaded far too quickly.

Also, I never understood why Craig's Bond was a spy or even wanted to be one?

I know why they (MI6) recruited him, but not why he did it. He didn't seem to enjoy it or be good at it.

I hope the new one is more enthusiastic about the job and GOOD at it.

Craig himself has intimated that he wasn't always fond with how dower and gloomy his Bond had to be as written and wished he could be a bit more light hearted more often. Craig can play more upbeat or offbeat characters too. He just wasn't allowed much more than a grimace very often.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Craig himself has intimated that he wasn't always fond with how dower and gloomy his Bond had to be as written and wished he could be a bit more light hearted more often. Craig can play more upbeat or offbeat characters too. He just wasn't allowed much more than a grimace very often.

Craig dictated nearly everything about his version of Bond, so I'm not sure where you dreamed this up.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Craig dictated nearly everything about his version of Bond, so I'm not sure where you dreamed this up.

Craig wanted to lighten up Bond after Quantum of Solace. He was very open about that during the Skyfall press tour. And if you look at Skyfall going forward, in fits and starts, the films did get a bit lighter.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Craig dictated nearly everything about his version of Bond, so I'm not sure where you dreamed this up.

That doesn't seem to be the case.

[spaceball-one]

Originally Posted by bigbadwoppet

Or those who've actually read Fleming's novels.

I own all of the Fleming books and have read the series through many, many times, and I've really enjoyed Craig's time as Bond. I appreciate all the eras as each sheds new light and perspective on a classic character.

You can stick this gatekeepy, "true fan" bullsh*t right up your Moonraker.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Craig wanted to lighten up Bond after Quantum of Solace. He was very open about that during the Skyfall press tour. And if you look at Skyfall going forward, in fits and starts, the films did get a bit lighter.

Right. He wanted the movies and character to get lighter, so they got lighter.

Still not seeing where he wasn't "allowed" to lighten up, as was claimed.

[Hedrox]

It just occurred to me that without the "Being James Bond" doc(that's only on the 4k disc), the other extras amount to about 35 minutes.

It's still more than what Spectre had, mind you, but kind of a waste of a separate disc.

[bigbadwoppet]

Originally Posted by Platitude

The only Craig film I didn't like (prior to seeing this one) was Spectre and I've always enjoyed the 'misogynistc dinosaur' line, so I probably don't like this one for different reasons than you. Mostly I just tire of stories retreading the trope of

[Show spoiler]snatching away love/happiness from a character when they've just finally gotten it, in this case by killing him off right after he found he had a child whos life he's missed out on.

. Also a couple other things I didn't care for was

[Show spoiler]Madeline had no reason to betray him, so the fact that he just immediately nixed her out of his life was real dumb. And M never seemingly stopping to think how his pet project could be turned against the world was pretty unbelievable, and if they were going to do it they should have at least had him feel the consequences by having him get fired or something once it was revealed.

That's my biggest complaint about the Craig films: characters behave really stupidly. Espionage is not personal, is a job and you don't take your job home with you. People who are very intelligent at a professional level can be pretty stupid in their personal relationships and mixing those two things together is a compromise to attract people who don't like/understand or care about spy films.

A friend I had in high school once told me he went into a Bond film expecting not to understand some 15% of what went on in it. And he had even read the novels because his dad was a big fan! I would myself revisit them regularly because every subsequent viewing would give you further insight into how well the scripts were crafted.

The modern Bonds are written assuming that general audiences are really, really stupid so they need to be spoonfed information and also won't mind if the characters behave irrationally. Example: in QoS, M travels all the way to Bolivia to put Bond into custody but she lets him go 10 minutes later because she "trusts her agent's instinct" after a short meaningless exchange in a corridor.

Madeleine's supposed betrayal is probably the worst written "stupid behaviour" in the whole series. Bond suspects her for only one reason: because it's necessary to move the plot forward. And regarding their lack of chemistry, I saw that coming in Spectre. I find Ms Sedoux's beauty to border on insolence but her acting leaves a lot to be desired. When she walks away from Bond in Spectre after telling him he's a good man must be the lowest female acting in a series where leading ladies were traditionally models rather than actresses (that is not counting Ms Lynch in this final opus, this woman couldn't act to save her life. Future Bond fans not conditioned by hype or agendas will skin her alive).

[bigbadwoppet]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Craig dictated nearly everything about his version of Bond, so I'm not sure where you dreamed this up.

FilmFreakosaurus has read more interviews than you, apparently. I also recall him saying that at least a couple of times. Like Mr Brosnan, Mr Craig is not very good at keeping his thoughts to himself and he's said a fair share of dumb things. I recall he read Casino Royale when he was offered the gig and threw it in a rubbish bin in the street when he finished. This is the same man who said this latest movie really honours the way Fleming wrote the character.

[Dunemoon]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Right. He wanted the movies and character to get lighter, so they got lighter.

Still not seeing where he wasn't "allowed" to lighten up, as was claimed.

Yep. Having the main character commit suicide is light entertainment.

[Joe Bond]

Originally Posted by spaceball-one

I own all of the Fleming books and have read the series through many, many times, and I've really enjoyed Craig's time as Bond. I appreciate all the eras as each sheds new light and perspective on a classic character.

You can stick this gatekeepy, "true fan" bullsh*t right up your Moonraker.

So true! Variety is the spice of life and I think there is plenty of it in this series. If I want something lighthearted I'll pop in a Moore flick, if I want something that is more serous/emotional I'll pop in a Dalton/Craig/Lazenby film, or if I want a good adventure film I'll watch a Connery/Brosnan film. I love all of them for what they are. No era is perfect I focus on the good things about them. Trying to infuse some positivity in this thread! I respect all those who think differently but there are those of who love his films. There are 20 films in the series that follow the general formula, some exceptions, so I thinks it's great they went for something different in this era. Good luck to the next one who picks up the mantle of this great character that it is. These films got me through some tough times in my life. So I'm grateful that they keep coming out with new ones.

[bigbadwoppet]

Originally Posted by spaceball-one

I own all of the Fleming books and have read the series through many, many times, and I've really enjoyed Craig's time as Bond. I appreciate all the eras as each sheds new light and perspective on a classic character.

You can stick this gatekeepy, "true fan" bullsh*t right up your Moonraker.

I did my thesis on Fleming. Having "read the series many,many times" does not preclude from having very, very low standards.

I don't mind so much the fact that Bond dies in the movie as the way it was done. The end of the movie is particularly saggy in order to "delay" Bond from leaving the island so he can be scratched by Safin. There's no sense of urgency/jeopardy, only of Bond being forced to act like an idiot by a lazy script. Why does Bond believe Madeleine has betrayed him? Because the script dictates him not to think.

The character of Nomi fulfils no function in the storyline other than to assert minorities. She doesn't even have a surname, which has always been a giveaway for character which has no real importance, The character of Paloma isn't incorporated into the story, she's just an independent episode. The same people who were scared sh*tless at the board meeting in Rome in Spectre now look like a group of drunken Japanese/German businessmen abroad, no cares in the world. The Russian scientist belongs in Austin Powers 4 and makes JW Pepper look like a serious character by comparison. The trip to Norway doesn't advance the plot, it's just there to show some scenery and car chases.

There's so much wrong with this particular entry. The real Bond movie was released last year. Its title? Tenet.

[dallywhitty]

[omarchafa]

Finally saw this in theaters, well worth the wait. It's probably up there with Casino Royale as Graig's best Bond film.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

And you complained about the MOVIES subforum

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

And you complained about the MOVIES subforum

Everyone's always complaining about something or other

[DAT_JB]

Any reason to why the UK UHD has 2-Disc Collectors Edition on the cover? Aren't these the same two discs the other UHD's get too?

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by DAT_JB

Any reason to why the UK UHD has 2-Disc Collectors Edition on the cover? Aren't these the same two discs the other UHD's get too?

Yes, all the same. Just marketing.