Silver Age 3-D 1966-1997 including the 1980s 3D revival

[revgen]

Originally Posted by T. Warren Scollan

Didn't we hear something about the Abbott and Costello/Captain Kidd movie with 3dFA? And don't forget "The Bubble" redo.

A&C Meet Captain Kidd is owned by Warner Bros.

[BleedOrange11]

What's the status on Tiger Man's 3D elements? I think Vinegar Syndrome would be willing to restore it since they've previously released two of Matt Climber's other films.

[pixote]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

What's the status on Tiger Man's 3D elements? I think Vinegar Syndrome would be willing to restore it since they've previously released two of Matt Climber's other films.

Good idea / question. It would be a perfect fit

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

What's the status on Tiger Man's 3D elements? I think Vinegar Syndrome would be willing to restore it since they've previously released two of Matt Climber's other films.

Tiger Man was my initial guess for this very reason, a few years back the Vinegar Syndrome 3-D rumours first started. I would imagine elements do exist, although the material used by VS for Cimber's Blaxploitation films was in rough shape. Arrow released The Witch that Came from the Sea, which looked a lot better. If these films from the same era survived, I assume Tiger Man would be no exception.

If anyone is curious about the film you can see some footage in the trailer for the 3-D Movie on the 3-D Rarities Volume II disc. The fight scene in front of the brick wall, the car chase, and all of the rollercoaster footage, are all from Tiger Man. It'd be worth having on 3D-Bluray for the location footage alone.

[Robert Furmanek]

By this point, we have tried to secure pretty much every pre-1985 3-D feature for licensing and restoration. If we have not been successful, there is a very good reason.

In this case, the rights holder is nearly 100 years old so communication is extremely difficult. On top of that, the elements are MIA.

I’m not optimistic.

[BleedOrange11]

IMDB lists this film as shot in StereoVision:

J'ai rencontré le Père Noël (1984) aka I Believe in Santa Claus

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182221/

Is this actually a 3D movie, or just a mistake?

[pixote]

Severin’s latest podcast discusses a 15 movie set coming in 2022 which will be director focused like the Al Adamson and Andy Milligan. Purely speculation on my part, but I think there’s a good chance it’s the Earl Owensby collection. If so I wonder if there’s any chance for 3D on any of them?

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

IMDB lists this film as shot in StereoVision:

J'ai rencontré le Père Noël (1984) aka I Believe in Santa Claus

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182221/

Is this actually a 3D movie, or just a mistake?

So there is a listing for this film in Eddie Sammons' The World of 3-D Movies book, noting that it was released flat in the US. I'm not convinced it was ever in 3D though. The credits at the end of the English dub version list "Chevereau Cameras", "Technovision", and "Fujicolor".

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

So there is a listing for this film in Eddie Sammons' The World of 3-D Movies book, noting that it was released flat in the US. I'm not convinced it was ever in 3D though. The credits at the end of the English dub version list "Chevereau Cameras", "Technovision", and "Fujicolor".

Was not on my radar. Would be interesting if confirmed. Not many Silver Age 3-D titles catered to young children, outside of Themepark films, and possibly some Soviet and Chinese films.

French posters also list Technovision|Dolby Stereo, so it seems unlikely.

Widescreen Museum lists it as Stereovision 3-D, although possibly taken from the same source as the Eddie Sammons book.

[BleedOrange11]

Eddie Sammons actually lists "Dual Technovision" instead of StereoVision. I believe Technovision is an anamorphic widescreen lens format, so technically, a movie could be both 3D and Technovision.

[robtadrian]

Originally Posted by pixote

Severin’s latest podcast discusses a 15 movie set coming in 2022 which will be director focused like the Al Adamson and Andy Milligan. Purely speculation on my part, but I think there’s a good chance it’s the Earl Owensby collection. If so I wonder if there’s any chance for 3D on any of them?

I hope so too but IMDb shows that EO only directed 3 titles which was a surprise to me

[SMOOT]

Originally Posted by robtadrian

I hope so too but IMDb shows that EO only directed 3 titles which was a surprise to me

While some articles erroneously refer to Earl Owensby as a motion picture director, Earl Owensby (aka EO) was an independent producer with a production company in Shelby NC.
While he starred in 10 of the 33 feature films that were produced either by or through (or through the use of) his company (with him making a cameo appearance in another), it is a bit of a stretch to say that he directed — One of his 3 directing credits on IMDB is for a 30 minute documentary that was made after his company ended the feature film production business (which lasted from late 1973 to 1988).
As for the other 2 listing him as Director, one was a feature length live stand-up comedian (on stage) performance and the other was for approving the live-animated "hosts segments" that came before/after/between the three main story segments of "Tales of the Third Dimension." I was present (as a camera operator) for the entire shooting process of those two films among many others produced there over the years.

[bavanut]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Eddie Sammons actually lists "Dual Technovision" instead of StereoVision. I believe Technovision is an anamorphic widescreen lens format, so technically, a movie could be both 3D and Technovision.

I looked at a clip online that I take to be from the feature film in question. The clip has moments when the camera operator follows the action with a zoom lens. This fact alone means (a) the film I'm looking at was not filmed in single-strip, over-and-under 3-D, and (b) the film I'm looking at was probably not shot in dual-strip 3-D either, as dual-strip 3-D prior to the digital age had to depend on carefully matched prime lenses to ensure anything like consistent alignment. But I will leave a door open and say I will be delighted to be proved mistaken.

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Eddie Sammons actually lists "Dual Technovision" instead of StereoVision. I believe Technovision is an anamorphic widescreen lens format, so technically, a movie could be both 3D and Technovision.

If it was dual-strip Technovision, it would be all the more easy to release it flat. I'm unable to locate any posters advertising it 'En Relief'.

Coincidentally, while trying to find corroboration for this film, I came across mention of an (unrelated) unmade 3-D Santa Claus movie in an old issue of Stereo World.

70mm system.
Variety recently reported that Earl Owensby and
Goldfarb Distribution have entered into a 3-D co-production, "The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus," to
be released Christmas 1985. The screenplay will be based on
Frank L. Baum's 1902 novel of the same name. It will be filmed in 35mm and 70mm, in the Stereovision over and
under system, according to Owensby.

Earl Owensby operates out of his own studio in Shelby,
North Carolina, and has produced and directed several 3-D
features, using the Stereovision process. Among the recent
Owensby releases are "Tales of the Third Dimension,"
"Chain Gang," and "Hyperspace." Unfortunately these, as
well as his previous 3-D films, had very limited distribution,
being shown primarily in the southeast region of the country

Unfortunately, that would be it for Owensby 3-D films. The L. Frank Baum story was adapted into a Rankin/Bass animated film that same year.

[pixote]

Originally Posted by Interdimensional

Was not on my radar. Would be interesting if confirmed. Not many Silver Age 3-D titles catered to young children, outside of Themepark films, and possibly some Soviet and Chinese films.

French posters also list Technovision|Dolby Stereo, so it seems unlikely.

Widescreen Museum lists it as Stereovision 3-D, although possibly taken from the same source as the Eddie Sammons book.

You’re probably well aware of this, but since you mentioned films catered to children, I’ve always wondered about the Aussie 3D offering Abra Cadabra. I’ve read about it but have no idea what it looks like and most likely never will

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by bavanut

I looked at a clip online that I take to be from the feature film in question. The clip has moments when the camera operator follows the action with a zoom lens. This fact alone means (a) the film I'm looking at was not filmed in single-strip, over-and-under 3-D

Thank you, Bavanut! That was a great idea that I had not considered. Do you mind explaining why single strip 3D rigs can't use zoom lenses?

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by pixote

You’re probably well aware of this, but since you mentioned films catered to children, I’ve always wondered about the Aussie 3D offering Abra Cadabra. I’ve read about it but have no idea what it looks like and most likely never will

That is on YouTube in full if you just want to see it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's biggest issue is that it was shot on color anaglyph 35mm film, which is not a good format.

[bavanut]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Thank you, Bavanut! That was a great idea that I had not considered. Do you mind explaining why single strip 3D rigs can't use zoom lenses?

It's not so much a matter of they can't as they don't. Not a single over-and-under single-strip system ever offered a zoom option, to my knowledge. Side-by-side systems may be a different matter, though I cannot offhand point to a zoom shot in any side-by-side 3-D film.

It's been a while since I looked at Chris Condon's patents, but I can tell you that the patents from Bernier and the Marks brothers suggest to me that zoom lenses were impractical accouterments to those systems. Space Vision in particular would have to be redesigned from the ground up, and I'm still not sure it could have been made to work properly.

As for Optimax III, I suppose one could have used zooms for the receiving lenses, but matching them up and keeping them in proper alignment throughout their focal range would have been a tall order for a system that struggled with elementary conditions like even illumination across both image fields and corner-to-corner sharpness.

Note that there is one shot in Creature from the Black Lagoon where a zoom is imposed in post, using an optical printer. There is also a shot in Jivaro where they enlarge a portion of the frame in post, also using an optical printer, in order to get a closer view of a location. There could be other, similar instances in Golden Age 3-D films as well.

I have not watched the DeepVision anaglyphic movies, but I take it for granted they used zoom lenses anytime they darn well pleased. For that system, it would probably be a pretty simple thing.

[bavanut]

Originally Posted by pixote

You’re probably well aware of this, but since you mentioned films catered to children, I’ve always wondered about the Aussie 3D offering Abra Cadabra. I’ve read about it but have no idea what it looks like and most likely never will

If Abra Cadabra is anything other than gussied-up Pulfrich's Illusion, I will be astonished. And if it is Pulfrich's Illusion, then shame, shame, shame on its promoters/apologists for asserting that it somehow trumps Starchaser: The Legend of Orin, which film actually is a significant accomplishment in the annals of stereo cinema.

[BleedOrange11]

So Abra Cadabra was shot on 35mm film with a camera that had an anaglyph iris.

Triangle 3D resize.jpg

https://books.google.com/books?id=2Q...0stitt&f=false