HDMI Scaling.. I'm pissed!!!!

[cembros]

your tv will scale everything to 1080p through hdmi anyway, thats why you dont see this option in to many receivers. As for needing to connect audio through coax at that price range, thats bull you can find 200 dollar receives that will run audio through hdmi. Get the pioneer sc05 at best buy for 999 buck (you can get them to go lower) and be done with it.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by cembros

your tv will scale everything to 1080p through hdmi anyway, thats why you dont see this option in to many receivers. As for needing to connect audio through coax at that price range, thats bull you can find 200 dollar receives that will run audio through hdmi. Get the pioneer sc05 at best buy for 999 buck (you can get them to go lower) and be done with it.

+1....sounds like the salesman was exactly that, trying to upsell you a more expensive piece of equipment to fatten his pockets. Listen to cembros and get the SC-05, it is an incredible receiver and as soon as I find one for the right price myself, it will be my next receiver as well.

[funnymanbing]

That salesman is trying to take you for a ride. I'd recommend the SC05 too, but don't buy it from that guy.

[SlmShdy1]

Basically, the receivers you're looking at in your price range, will take an analog signal (480i, 480p, etc.) and upconvert it to 1080p via HDMI. Whatever that guy is telling you is bull****. As for the audio, what everyone here is saying is right. You wouldn't need digital coax for sound. Those receivers will do audio through HDMI.

[msnoopy22]

Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

Basically, the receivers you're looking at in your price range, will take an analog signal (480i, 480p, etc.) and upconvert it to 1080p via HDMI. Whatever that guy is telling you is bull****. As for the audio, what everyone here is saying is right. You wouldn't need digital coax for sound. Those receivers will do audio through HDMI.

The saleman told me that say if I would run my Satelite (DISHNETWORK) to my AV RECEIVER via HDMI, that the receiver wouldn't upconvert the signal thru HDMI to 1080p. He said if I wanted it to go up to 1080p I would have to run it thru the component cable. He then went on to say that if I wanted audio I would need to run it thru Digital Coax or Digital Optical.

In essence, he told me if I was watching a standard def. signal say like MTV. I need to run component and the Digital optical. I thought it was bull. He even brought out a chart with HDMI pass thru saying that the HDMI 720p signal will never convert up to a 1080p signal by using the HDMI. He went on to tell me if I wanted a blu-ray type picture I would be wasting my money on the receivers that I was looking at.

So he's just full of it, right?

[cembros]

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

The saleman told me that say if I would run my Satelite (DISHNETWORK) to my AV RECEIVER via HDMI, that the receiver wouldn't upconvert the signal thru HDMI to 1080p. He said if I wanted it to go up to 1080p I would have to run it thru the component cable. He then went on to say that if I wanted audio I would need to run it thru Digital Coax or Digital Optical.

In essence, he told me if I was watching a standard def. signal say like MTV. I need to run component and the Digital optical. I thought it was bull. He even brought out a chart with HDMI pass thru saying that the HDMI 720p signal will never convert up to a 1080p signal by using the HDMI. He went on to tell me if I wanted a blu-ray type picture I would be wasting my money on the receivers that I was looking at.

So he's just full of it, right?

what tv do you have, most tv's will scale all sources to their native resolution through hdmi. This means that if you have a 1080p tv if you have your cable box connected through hdmi you will be getting a 1080p image no matter what. Now will sd signals looks any better being scaled to 1080p, ehhhh ya but it wont look high def. Now as far as i know cable boxes and sat boxes will pass the audio through hdmi so you will not need a seperate audio connection. Lets say though that the cable/sat box doesnt pass audio through hdmi and you do need a seperate connection for audio, that fact will not change if you spend $500 or $5000 on a receiver. So the guy is just trying to upsell you.

[msnoopy22]

Originally Posted by cembros

what tv do you have, most tv's will scale all sources to their native resolution through hdmi. This means that if you have a 1080p tv if you have your cable box connected through hdmi you will be getting a 1080p image no matter what. Now will sd signals looks any better being scaled to 1080p, ehhhh ya but it wont look high def. Now as far as i know cable boxes and sat boxes will pass the audio through hdmi so you will not need a seperate audio connection. Lets say though that the cable/sat box doesnt pass audio through hdmi and you do need a seperate connection for audio, that fact will not change if you spend $500 or $5000 on a receiver. So the guy is just trying to upsell you.

I have a Kuro 5020. I know that it suppose to upscale. I just read that article on the one about upscaling. Upscaling just fills the screen & gets rid of the black bars at the top & bottom.

What I want the AV Receiver to do is to convert my standard 480i picture into a 1080p picture via using the HDMI cable. He says the Pio SC 05 won't do it. He tells me that the Pio will only do it thru component. The Salesaman tells me I need this Integra 8.9, 8.8, or 9.9 with this Silicon Optix Reon HQV video processing chip (HQV Reon-VX Chip for High-Performance Video Processing) otherwise I'm can't get a Blu-ray type picture thru my satelite provider.

I want a Blu-ray type picture no matter what I'm watching (playstation 3/blu ray, DVD, Standard Def, High Def, 480i, 480p, 720p,1080i)... I need the receiver to take what ever I'm running to it & make it a Blu ray type (HD picture).

[CasualKiller]

So what is wrong with using component and upscaling that? It would be the same info if it was running through HDMI.

Just to be clear, if you have a 480 source you want to upscale, it probably doesn't have HDMI anyway, the Pioneer will do what you want it to. Connect via component or analog and it will upscale it and sent it out via HDMI.

Edit again> I don't think the salesman was upselling you I think what you asked him for and what you are looking for are 2 different things.

[SlmShdy1]

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

I have a Kuro 5020. I know that it suppose to upscale. I just read that article on the one about upscaling. Upscaling just fills the screen & gets rid of the black bars at the top & bottom.

That's a whole other issue and has nothing to do with upscaling.

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

What I want the AV Receiver to do is to convert my standard 480i picture into a 1080p picture via using the HDMI cable. He says the Pio SC 05 won't do it. He tells me that the Pio will only do it thru component. The Salesaman tells me I need this Integra 8.9, 8.8, or 9.9 with this Silicon Optix Reon HQV video processing chip (HQV Reon-VX Chip for High-Performance Video Processing) otherwise I'm can't get a Blu-ray type picture thru my satelite provider.

You won't get a Blu-ray image at all unless the source itself is Blu-ray. No matter what kind of upconversion you're using, cable or satellite won't look as good as Blu-ray (SD programming looking like Blu-ray will never happen). I don't see the point in you wanting a receiver upscaling sources that use HDMI. The whole purpose of the HDMI inputs is to pass the signal through cleanly without any degradation or post processing of the image. Upscaling a 720p signal via HDMI would be pointless.

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

I want a Blu-ray type picture no matter what I'm watching (playstation 3/blu ray, DVD, Standard Def, High Def, 480i, 480p, 720p,1080i)... I need the receiver to take what ever I'm running to it & make it a Blu ray type (HD picture).

Not going to happen unless you're watching Blu-ray.