Tron Legacy 3D Blu-ray (2010) [Region Free]

[spider-neil]

The majority of this movie was created on a computer so they could have placed the focal point anywhere they wished. They could have pushed the separation as much as they wanted. There is no excuse for mild 3D for this movie.

[DB5]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

[Show spoiler]Some have said that the filmed 3D in Tron Legacy is showcase material for 3D. I brought Tron Legacy 3D blu ray over in 2011 to show some family members during a holiday, and their reaction when they put on the 3D glasses was "This is 3D? Is it working right? I can barely see the 3D." Definitely not showcase 3D in their view. But I checked it, and it was working properly. It's just that the 3D is not very exciting compared to stronger 3D films where the layers actually pop clearly apart from each other.

! = 2D Flat image. Zero pop of the layering.
!! = Mild 3D, Almost 2D. Barely any pop of the layering.
!__! = Medium 3D, A good, clear pop of the 3D layers.
!____! = Strong 3D, a major pop of the 3D layers separate from each other.
!_______! Extreme 3D, too strong to blend at normal viewing distance.

Based on the rough "3D range chart" above, Tron Legacy's layering fits into the !! mild range for most of the film sadly, and I really enjoyed the film and the neon look overall. The film's visuals are a work of art.



Definitely good to hear you are enjoying the experience and making the most of it.

It was likely a trade-off for the filmmakers and director, when they probably considered stronger 3D while filming, only to learn there are likely ghosting issues due to the limits of modern 3D glasses unable to block out all the ghosting for this type of imagery.




Rectify - GAMES (Tron Legacy) - YouTube

This is the one and only strongest 3D shot in Tron Legacy... The rest of the film having mostly mild 3D layering. This shot looks awesome in 3D.

Yeah, if they could've taken that stronger 3D shot where Sam is being judged for "Games", and expanded that to the rest of the film with careful 3D editing to adapt for the ghosting, even medium layers could've been more exciting to watch.

What's interesting is the opening Menu on the blu ray 3D with the lightcycles, it looks like that has stronger 3D than the actual scenes in the film.

What is most interesting is Tron Evolution, a stereo 3D PS3 game, allows for the game's 3D slider to be pushed into strong 3D. And while there is ghosting, the dual camera rig in the game mostly adjusts for it and it's a much more exciting 3D experience than the 3D Tron Legacy movie ever can be.

The strongest scene that stood out to me was when they were having dinner at Kevins abode, specifically while viewing them at the table with the chandelier above.
There was also that pop-out

[Show spoiler]at the end when some kind of grappling hook comes out of the screen and grabs the disc off Kevins back

Originally Posted by Spectra

I completely agree 100%.

I absolutely love the production design and look of this movie and it may even be my favorite movie ever in that respect. I think the design team nailed it and it is pure eye candy for me.

I went and saw this in 3D at the cinema when it was released and very much enjoyed it and thought the 3D was respectable but not as spectacular as perhaps some other 3D releases.

I am thrilled to have it on 3DBD and appreciate the 3D much like BR2049 and Dune Pt1. It's single biggest issue for me is the lack of negative parallax...so much of the 3D is set behind the image plane. Some scenes are really well done though such as the light cycle race, flying scenes etc were it pushes forward and is quite effective.

The weakness is in some of the 3D rendering of Jeff Bridges nemesis Clu played by a digital version of Jeff Bridges...this was an early attempt at rendering a fully synthetic 3D human and it shows in certain scenes.

Overall though I am very grateful for this title...the score and visuals are mesmerizing and the 3D is just along for the ride.

Very much agree. I noticed I missed out "pure" in my initial post after rereading it again.

Originally Posted by spider-neil

The majority of this movie was created on a computer so they could have placed the focal point anywhere they wished. They could have pushed the separation as much as they wanted. There is no excuse for mild 3D for this movie.

I believe I read somewhere that this movie would never get a 4K upgrade because so much of it was created on computer, don't know how true that is though, in regards to not being able to upgrade.

[infiniteCR]

I still remember hating the look of the 3D on my plasma. After watching it on the 2016 OLED I finally understood the 3D and cinematography. The low end contrast is very important to the look of this one. Even blooming on an LCD would likely obliterate the depth effect.

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

I still remember hating the look of the 3D on my plasma. After watching it on the 2016 OLED I finally understood the 3D and cinematography. The low end contrast is very important to the look of this one. Even blooming on an LCD would likely obliterate the depth effect.

I was far less impressed with this one in the cinema than I was watching it on my plasma but if it's that much better on an OLED I'll have to check it out again. My third 3D TV is an LCD but so far I haven't watched any 3D movies on that, it's mainly for games.

[infiniteCR]

Originally Posted by the13thman

I was far less impressed with this one in the cinema than I was watching it on my plasma but if it's that much better on an OLED I'll have to check it out again. My third 3D TV is an LCD but so far I haven't watched any 3D movies on that, it's mainly for games.

I didn't mention it but on the panny it was much better than the cinema as well. Youll probably love the razor sharp contrast adding to the 3D illusion (even though the actual 3D is mild).


I felt similarly, although to a lesser degree with the blade runner sequel.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

In the gaming scene, I've seen people try retro dark games on an OLED, figuring that since they were designed for CRT they'd look great on OLED, only to find that they don't look right on OLED as those retro dark games were designed for a display that has perfect blacks but also has low contrast (and natural bloom).

A movie projector is the same way, or at least it was back when Tron Legacy was made. So watching this on an OLED, which is the opposite of how it was made to be seen, is actually the best way to see it? Weird.

E: Movies are just too dang dark, especially nowadays.

[infiniteCR]

The old CRTs for gaming have a look you won't be able to get with a slow input sample and hold display period. But there is a good reminder in your post that you have to set your contrast appropriately l, especially for a dark room when watching these types of movies ( I know some crank it no matter what)

[DigitalDeluge24]

I just rewatched Tron: Legacy in preparation for the sequel and all the Tron-related media that are coming out in the meantime. I hadn't watched it in many years and I must say I was reminded of how much I loved it the first time I saw it and how much fun I used to have with films like this before the cynicism of the internet got to me.

I also watched the teaser trailer that was made up of footage not found in the final film. I don't think they included it on the Blu-ray. You can download it in very high quality from Disnee's servers by copying and pasting the following link on a new tab.

"http://wdmp-wdsmp.rd.llnw.net/wdsmp/TRON/VFXConcept/Grid_VFX_ConceptTest_1080.mov"

[DoomSlayer]

Many people suggested this film as one of the best 3D movies ever, so I went for it.

Turns out it's disappointing af, I only watch animated films and live action films that were shot with real 3D cameras instead of post conversion.

The natural depth and layer separation was good but pop out effect was very bad, considering they promoted 3D a lot for this film they could have used the technology in a way better way. Many scenes and elements where you typically expect good 3D effect are lackluster, I don't know if the problem is with 3d bluray transfer of the film

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by DoomSlayer

Many people suggested this film as one of the best 3D movies ever, so I went for it.

Turns out it's disappointing af, I only watch animated films and live action films that were shot with real 3D cameras instead of post conversion.

The natural depth and layer separation was good but pop out effect was very bad, considering they promoted 3D a lot for this film they could have used the technology in a way better way. Many scenes and elements where you typically expect good 3D effect are lackluster, I don't know if the problem is with 3d bluray transfer of the film

I don't know who these people are but this movie has been discussed many, many times and the majority of us agree that the 3D is mostly weak. But as you say there is some ok depth and layer separation. The 3D actually gets a a little stronger towards the end and there are a couple of excellent pop-outs too. This is one of those movies where if there is an issue with setup or a person's vision then the 3D will be pretty non-existent except for the kind of 3D you see in 2D movies.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cdx47

I don't know who these people are but this movie has been discussed many, many times and the majority of us agree that the 3D is mostly weak. But as you say there is some ok depth and layer separation. The 3D actually gets a a little stronger towards the end and there are a couple of excellent pop-outs too. This is one of those movies where if there is an issue with setup or a person's vision then the 3D will be pretty non-existent except for the kind of 3D you see in 2D movies.

This is what I'm on about, when 3D enthusiasts start having runaway enthusiasm for 3D and forget that if it isn't kept in check then other 3D viewers will wind up being basically gaslit.

[3dblurayofsunshine]

Originally Posted by DoomSlayer

Many people suggested this film as one of the best 3D movies ever, so I went for it.

Turns out it's disappointing af, I only watch animated films and live action films that were shot with real 3D cameras instead of post conversion.

The natural depth and layer separation was good but pop out effect was very bad, considering they promoted 3D a lot for this film they could have used the technology in a way better way. Many scenes and elements where you typically expect good 3D effect are lackluster, I don't know if the problem is with 3d bluray transfer of the film

This movie should be a lesson that shunning post converted 3D movies is foolish. There are loads of converted movies with much better 3D than this. While it’s true that it’s hard to beat a well done native 3D movie, there’s plenty of mild or error riddled native titles, and plenty of good to excellent converted 3D movies. Don’t deny yourself literally hundreds of great titles!

[WaverBoy]

The native 3D implementation in TRON: LEGACY is a complete waste of time and money IMO. They totally blew it. This could have been an absolutely amazing 3D experience. Sadly, it’s the exact opposite, one of the most stereoscopically lackluster native 3D productions in film history. There are loads of conversions with much more impressive 3D than TL.

[levcore]

and yet you still have people who maintain this is 3D done right, or this is one of the best 3D experiences out there. I was on the old IMDB forums (or at least the new site that hosts the old forums) the other day and was in the Tron Legacy thread and there were multiple posters claiming this is one of the best 3D presentations out there (and this isn't just from when it was released but a lot more recently). I don't get it.

[sevenlilies1937]

Originally Posted by DoomSlayer

Turns out it's disappointing af, I only watch animated films and live action films that were shot with real 3D cameras instead of post conversion.

IMO this is a mistake. there are many good 3D conversions. native is best, but the conversion process has really gotten better over the years.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by sevenlilies1937

IMO this is a mistake. there are many good 3D conversions. native is best, but the conversion process has really gotten better over the years.

I wouldn't say that Native is "the best", but it is still preferred by many. But I would much rather have a medium to strong post-conversion than weak native 3D (Tron Legacy for example). I'm also fine with most post-conversions only turning up the 3D for important/action scenes. Plus modern conversions are able to do things that are impossible to achieve natively. Maybe the ideal would be native 3D mixed with touches of post-conversion.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cdx47

I wouldn't say that Native is "the best", but it is still preferred by many. But I would much rather have a medium to strong post-conversion than weak native 3D (Tron Legacy for example). I'm also fine with most post-conversions only turning up the 3D for important/action scenes. Plus modern conversions are able to do things that are impossible to achieve natively. Maybe the ideal would be native 3D mixed with touches of post-conversion.

Does that ideal describe the situation of this film?

Seems to me native has the definitive edge nowadays as the director can view the result in real-time, vs post conversion where the results are rolled out weeks/months later, and the artistic intent of the director is necessarily adjusted by the interpretation of the conversion team.

Post conversion, much to my lament, seems like it has to work from the 2D cut of the film.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Does that ideal describe the situation of this film?

Seems to me native has the definitive edge nowadays as the director can view the result in real-time, vs post conversion where the results are rolled out weeks/months later, and the artistic intent of the director is necessarily adjusted by the interpretation of the conversion team.

Post conversion, much to my lament, seems like it has to work from the 2D cut of the film.

Tron Legacy is obviously far from ideal but as I said, the 3D does pick up in the last 4th of the movie. I get the potential issues with post-conversion but for the most part I have been very happy with the results. It's just not possible to replicate the Iron Man flying scenes from Marvel's Avengers. Every angle is shown including his helmet cam and it is awesome.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cdx47

Tron Legacy is obviously far from ideal but as I said, the 3D does pick up in the last 4th of the movie. I get the potential issues with post-conversion but for the most part I have been very happy with the results. It's just not possible to replicate the Iron Man flying scenes from Marvel's Avengers. Every angle is shown including his helmet cam and it is awesome. BTW watching that final battle scene in HFR is next level

Avengers and Tron have their lenticulars in my showcase but I still need to give them a rewatch.

I'm still left to wonder about post converting CGI into 3D, it seems like reinventing the wheel.

But not as much as I wonder about what happened with Oblivion, as that flick was directed by the director of Tron Legacy and seemed like it really leaned in to the 3D, but the movie released flat. That might be the biggest pitfall of post-conversion: it can get nixed.

[Zivouhr]

If one owns a PS3, definitely consider getting the Tron Evolution PS3 3D video game. If you compare it to the movie, the video game's 3D destroys the 3D of the film, with the ability to adjust the game's 3D options to strong 3D throughout. It looks good, although it proves at times why the film was so timid with the milder 3D result, as there is quite a bit of ghosting in the game where you see double images over the darkness onscreen of vibrant neon lights. Other times, it's not as easy to spot.

TRON: Evolution Video Review - YouTube

Tron Evolution PS3 stereo 3D game of 2010. Fun game and includes wall running, much as seen in Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi: Survivor.