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maximiza · 10-30-2007, 01:51 PM

I have read the articles today too. If is true it should not be a surprise to anyone or the BDA. Some people don't have real jobs and just copy movies all day and sell them on the street. If you walk down Canal street in NYC you see these poeple with tons of illegal movies in a bag or case; never saw a Blu-ray though.

The BDA just has to make a procedcure when it happens, new firmware and instant legal action. The hackers will eventually get tired of doing this because after every firmware update it will render thier labor useless along with all the bootlegs they made.

dbs2 · 10-30-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thrlride

Is that what the actual article said? The blog post sure read that it had been hacked.

In My Eyes yes, they sort of said they had just about done it, and the software MAY be out by the end of the year.... Yea Right... if they had cracked it totally they would be showning it now... even a small demo maybe..... as they want hd-dvd to win as it is the Easily crackable one..... It's just FUD imo

WickyWoo · 10-30-2007, 02:04 PM

They can't take legal action. The company is based in the West Indies, who is not signatory to any international copyright treaties

Yes, that's on purpose

dbs2 · 10-30-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

They can't take legal action. The company is based in the West Indies, who is not signatory to any international copyright treaties

Yes, that's on purpose

Well that's rather Naughty

whippersnapper · 10-30-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nockturnal13

it has been cracked, an has been for a while. As far as elaborate no thank you i would rather not say. but it has and is being done it just isnt very cost effective to do right now due to the price of a burner and BD's. and yes it has been done with Zero compression if you were wondering.
I'm not pro piracy, but im not going to tell alot of people on here, or who many stumble on here how to do it. so dont ask!

damn, this may be the same guy who discovered the fountain of youth and wouldn't tell anyone where it was. He may also be the person who maintains the passenger lists for alien abductees.

corduroygt · 10-30-2007, 02:09 PM

It will be like the Iphone, sure they can crack it but only until the next update.
Not to mention each new release can contain an update. So your pirated blu-ray movie disc won't play after a new update....which will make it very inconvenient.

thrlride · 10-30-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue

With enough time and money anything can be cracked. Please stop trying to promote the product by posting links to the report that seem to be duplicates of the same article. Can we have a little calm here until it is actually cracked and what the consequences that flow from that are known. I would imagine a certain company may find themselves in very hot water as I don't think they will be able to use the backup defence in this case.

Sorry Blue, I didn't notice all the other links but went back and saw where you removed them now that I took a closer look.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximiza

I have read the articles today too. If is true it should not be a surprise to anyone or the BDA. Some people don't have real jobs and just copy movies all day and sell them on the street. If you walk down Canal street in NYC you see these poeple with tons of illegal movies in a bag or case; never saw a Blu-ray though.

The BDA just has to make a procedcure when it happens, new firmware and instant legal action. The hackers will eventually get tired of doing this because after every firmware update it will render thier labor useless along with all the bootlegs they made.

I wouldn't be so sure, I hope so but who knows. The PSP is still heavily hacked even with many attempts to stop it.

I hope it is put to a stop though, ripping blu-rays to to copy to blu-ray or even ripping hd-dvd to blu-ray is illegal and shouldn't be condoned anywhere.

maximiza · 10-30-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

They can't take legal action. The company is based in the West Indies, who is not signatory to any international copyright treaties

Yes, that's on purpose

I can't find West Indies on the Fact Book, is there a country named West Indies?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ook/index.html

Blue · 10-30-2007, 02:15 PM

Payments of said company is processed in Ireland, so I think the CEO at least had better have passport and ticket ready.

WickyWoo · 10-30-2007, 02:21 PM

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Payments of said company is processed in Ireland, so I think the CEO at least had better have passport and ticket ready.

They can certainly go after the institution that does that then. However they can always get a new bank account

The pirates on Ebay get new accounts all the time

Amel · 10-30-2007, 02:24 PM

cracked or not cracked

who cares?

seriously, who is willing to download a 10-20-30 gb movie, not me!

maybe when we have dedicated 150GB internet lines

WickyWoo · 10-30-2007, 02:35 PM

You're making the mistake of thinking that people who are pirating and downloading these things are looking for a perfect copy

If they follow the existing patterns, they're just converting to 720p and squishing it to fit on a single DVD. No they don't care about quality

dbs2 · 10-30-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by maximiza

I can't find West Indies on the Fact Book, is there a country named West Indies?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ook/index.html

I think they are not bad at Cricket !!

maximiza · 10-30-2007, 02:46 PM

Pirating is bad, it devalues all the movies and games people paid full price for. The hackers/bootleggers make a fuss about DRM because it causes disruptions with thier business.

dbs2 · 10-30-2007, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

You're making the mistake of thinking that people who are pirating and downloading these things are looking for a perfect copy

If they follow the existing patterns, they're just converting to 720p and squishing it to fit on a single DVD. No they don't care about quality

So why don't they just rip a std dvd then ?

WickyWoo · 10-30-2007, 02:58 PM

Commercial pirates do, but the people using these programs are looking at net distribution for the most part, and they watch them on their 20" monitors

tron3 · 10-30-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Amel

...
seriously, who is willing to download a 10-20-30 gb movie, not me! ...

The ONLY 30 Gb movie I would consider d/l-ing is a rip of TransDUDers. I am certainly no advocate of piracy. I believe any movie worth watching is worth owning. But I have recorded from broadcast TV, if that counts.

But I don't think I have 30 GB left on my HD to d/l it. Think about it, a 500 GB drive holds 10 BD movies, or 16.66 HD DVD movies. That's nothing compared to the movies we want to own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

You're making the mistake of thinking that people who are pirating and downloading these things are looking for a perfect copy

If they follow the existing patterns, they're just converting to 720p and squishing it to fit on a single DVD. No, they don't care about quality

What good is 720p, even on DVD9? Like to know what kind of bit rate you get with that setup.

jason_grumpy · 10-30-2007, 03:29 PM

I'm surprised no one is looking at the timing of this quote 'announcement' by sly soft.

They have already stated they want HD-DVD to win (granted, much easier to crack and better business for them), and we have a semi-big event with a lot of higher ups in the movie industry going on for Blu-Ray right now.

Want to dampen the parade, say their baby BD+ is cracked with really no tangible proof or release date of the new software. Until I actually see it work on someones PC, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. Also, just ripping the file to a disc doesn't mean it is going to work. The question really is if they were able to get a clean rip that doesn't stop/stutter/freeze, know it's hacked, etc.

Lets even point out the glaringly obvious. If cracked, is it perma-broke like AACS? That's the beauty of open ended specs at this point. If firmware can fix 'holes' in a protection scheme, sly soft has a very lengthy uphill battle.

Still, the point of copy protection isn't to protect movies from all time from being ripped/copied. Anyone thinking BD+ will last years and years before cracked is not in tune with the purpose of content protection.

The purpose of copy protection is to protect new content during the initial buying rush. The reasoning is that if a copy of a new software/movie is unavailable for the first month 'free', an individual that would normally download the content will instead buy it.

That said, Fox BR movies have STILL yet to show up on the scene.

w_tanoto · 10-30-2007, 03:35 PM

well, I hope it's not cracked..... but if it is, BD is much more difficult to crack compared to HD DVD.

Jared · 10-30-2007, 03:47 PM

If/when Blu-ray wins, I'll guarantee there will be a decent crack for BD+ soon afterwards. No what encryption you run, if there is a blu-ray drive for PC's and software to run on that PC to play the blu-ray movie, then at some point in time the movie will be running unencrypted on that PC to display. At a minimum, that data stream can be captured. At a maximum, the key will be just taken from memory.

But really, does it matter? Even if it is cracked, big deal, everything gets cracked and ppl still buy products. When is the last time you have heard of a music studio going out of business? I don't agree with pirating, but it is just one of those facts of life right now. And downloading a BD disk is MUCH harder than a CD or standard DVD...at this point in time, downloading a 50gb movie is no easy task, even if you have the bandwidth.

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10-30-2007, 01:51 PM	#181
maximiza Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens Village, NYC	I have read the articles today too. If is true it should not be a surprise to anyone or the BDA. Some people don't have real jobs and just copy movies all day and sell them on the street. If you walk down Canal street in NYC you see these poeple with tons of illegal movies in a bag or case; never saw a Blu-ray though. The BDA just has to make a procedcure when it happens, new firmware and instant legal action. The hackers will eventually get tired of doing this because after every firmware update it will render thier labor useless along with all the bootlegs they made.

10-30-2007, 02:04 PM	#183
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	They can't take legal action. The company is based in the West Indies, who is not signatory to any international copyright treaties Yes, that's on purpose

10-30-2007, 02:09 PM	#186
corduroygt Member Member since:Oct 2007	It will be like the Iphone, sure they can crack it but only until the next update. Not to mention each new release can contain an update. So your pirated blu-ray movie disc won't play after a new update....which will make it very inconvenient.

10-30-2007, 02:15 PM	#189
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	Payments of said company is processed in Ireland, so I think the CEO at least had better have passport and ticket ready.

10-30-2007, 02:24 PM	#191
Amel Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Clearwater FL Blu-ray collection:91 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:2	cracked or not cracked who cares? seriously, who is willing to download a 10-20-30 gb movie, not me! maybe when we have dedicated 150GB internet lines

10-30-2007, 02:35 PM	#192
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	You're making the mistake of thinking that people who are pirating and downloading these things are looking for a perfect copy If they follow the existing patterns, they're just converting to 720p and squishing it to fit on a single DVD. No they don't care about quality

10-30-2007, 02:46 PM	#194
maximiza Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens Village, NYC	Pirating is bad, it devalues all the movies and games people paid full price for. The hackers/bootleggers make a fuss about DRM because it causes disruptions with thier business.

10-30-2007, 02:58 PM	#196
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Commercial pirates do, but the people using these programs are looking at net distribution for the most part, and they watch them on their 20" monitors

10-30-2007, 03:29 PM	#198
jason_grumpy Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 4	I'm surprised no one is looking at the timing of this quote 'announcement' by sly soft. They have already stated they want HD-DVD to win (granted, much easier to crack and better business for them), and we have a semi-big event with a lot of higher ups in the movie industry going on for Blu-Ray right now. Want to dampen the parade, say their baby BD+ is cracked with really no tangible proof or release date of the new software. Until I actually see it work on someones PC, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. Also, just ripping the file to a disc doesn't mean it is going to work. The question really is if they were able to get a clean rip that doesn't stop/stutter/freeze, know it's hacked, etc. Lets even point out the glaringly obvious. If cracked, is it perma-broke like AACS? That's the beauty of open ended specs at this point. If firmware can fix 'holes' in a protection scheme, sly soft has a very lengthy uphill battle. Still, the point of copy protection isn't to protect movies from all time from being ripped/copied. Anyone thinking BD+ will last years and years before cracked is not in tune with the purpose of content protection. The purpose of copy protection is to protect new content during the initial buying rush. The reasoning is that if a copy of a new software/movie is unavailable for the first month 'free', an individual that would normally download the content will instead buy it. That said, Fox BR movies have STILL yet to show up on the scene.

10-30-2007, 03:35 PM	#199
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	well, I hope it's not cracked..... but if it is, BD is much more difficult to crack compared to HD DVD.

10-30-2007, 03:47 PM	#200
Jared Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Fort Collins, Co	If/when Blu-ray wins, I'll guarantee there will be a decent crack for BD+ soon afterwards. No what encryption you run, if there is a blu-ray drive for PC's and software to run on that PC to play the blu-ray movie, then at some point in time the movie will be running unencrypted on that PC to display. At a minimum, that data stream can be captured. At a maximum, the key will be just taken from memory. But really, does it matter? Even if it is cracked, big deal, everything gets cracked and ppl still buy products. When is the last time you have heard of a music studio going out of business? I don't agree with pirating, but it is just one of those facts of life right now. And downloading a BD disk is MUCH harder than a CD or standard DVD...at this point in time, downloading a 50gb movie is no easy task, even if you have the bandwidth.

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